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Post by jackc99 on Feb 16, 2009 18:20:44 GMT -5
...and NOT for the better. Amendments add crossbow to the gun season; lengthen gun season by a week; but does take the antlered bucks out of the doubling of bag limits. Scroll down and you can see what amendments were added: www.in.gov/apps/lsa/session/billwatch/billinfo?year=2009&session=1&request=getBill&docno=1585 HatchetJack P.S. The amended bill now has to pass the House and then go to the Senate. I would recommend emailing your legislator (and Rep. Friend) to stop this bill ASAP. |
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Post by Woody Williams on Feb 16, 2009 19:48:09 GMT -5
Friend and company needs to stay out of the DNR's business.
Emails sent...
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Post by Old Ironsights on Feb 16, 2009 20:39:31 GMT -5
Politicians... meh.
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Post by hountzmj on Feb 16, 2009 20:40:32 GMT -5
E-mails from the wife and I are sent. I'm rallying others as well!
--hountzmj
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Post by huntnprayn on Feb 16, 2009 22:48:42 GMT -5
I will be emailing right away. This has to be stopped.
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Post by racktracker on Feb 16, 2009 23:58:35 GMT -5
Personally - My biggest problem with this is it is coming from the legislature. The increasing bag limits, allowing crossbows in the firearm season (big deal there,  ?) and allowing the 55 and up to use crossbows should be decided by the IDNR, not the legislature. I don't think any one of those will amount to a hill of beans. - People will only kill as many deer as they can eat, no matter what the limit is. - Very few hunters will use a crossbow in the firearms season, just like very few use a regular bow. - Not as many 55 and ups out there hunting anyway. Maybe we should cut them some slack? But, let's get it out of the hands of the legislature. Send your emails. |
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Post by dbd870 on Feb 17, 2009 7:17:41 GMT -5
Personally - My biggest problem with this is it is coming from the legislature. The increasing bag limits, allowing crossbows in the firearm season (big deal there, ?) and allowing the 55 and up to use crossbows should be decided by the IDNR, not the legislature. I don't think any one of those will amount to a hill of beans. - People will only kill as many deer as they can eat, no matter what the limit is. - Very few hunters will use a crossbow in the firearms season, just like very few use a regular bow. - Not as many 55 and ups out there hunting anyway. Maybe we should cut them some slack? But, let's get it out of the hands of the legislature. Send your emails. Good post. I agree. |
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Post by jackc99 on Feb 17, 2009 8:15:10 GMT -5
Emails might be ignored so...
I like Joe Bacon's suggestion of everyone who can call Bill Friend tomorrow morning. Most state phones don't open until 8:15 but somewhere in the 8:00-8:15AM timeframe we should get as many to call as possible and complain...
1.800.382.9841
Jack
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Post by drs on Feb 17, 2009 9:22:08 GMT -5
If this "Deer Extermination" bill is passed; then Deer Hunting will simply become a thing of the past in Indiana. The Auto Insurance Companies would like nothing better then to kill off ALL Deer in Indiana.  |
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Post by tickman1961 on Feb 17, 2009 9:39:48 GMT -5
Looks like to me license fees drop as well......
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Post by drs on Feb 17, 2009 9:45:03 GMT -5
Looks like to me license fees drop as well...... It will be interesting to see what happens with this bill. I am just glad I moved to Ky! |
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Post by js2397 on Feb 17, 2009 9:49:59 GMT -5
The only way to increase the harvest if it is neccessary is to increase the number of hunters. If we want to increase the number of hunters we have to increase opportunities. This means making crossbows legal for at least part of the early season, maybe add an early antlerless only muzzleloader season, earn a second buck where in order to earn the second buck you have to kill at least four does, make license cheaper, bring back the lifetime license.
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Post by racktracker on Feb 17, 2009 10:35:27 GMT -5
Emails might be ignored so... I like Joe Bacon's suggestion of everyone who can call Bill Friend tomorrow morning. Most state phones don't open until 8:15 but somewhere in the 8:00-8:15AM timeframe we should get as many to call as possible and complain... 1.800.382.9841 Jack I think that this idea will backfire and he will dig his heels in. That is more like harassment than a dialog. This bill will not be withdrawn unless he strikes a deal with the IDNR. So the best tact is to contact your own representatives before the vote, whenever that is. Further perusal shows that the 55 and over amendment did not pass. That was about the only one that made sense. Still an IDNR function. |
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Post by racktracker on Feb 17, 2009 10:37:03 GMT -5
The only way to increase the harvest if it is neccessary is to increase the number of hunters. If we want to increase the number of hunters we have to increase opportunities. This means making crossbows legal for at least part of the early season, maybe add an early antlerless only muzzleloader season, earn a second buck where in order to earn the second buck you have to kill at least four does, make license cheaper, bring back the lifetime license. Good post. Sometimes the management of deer has a conflict with the reality of money to run things. It is pulling from both ends. |
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Post by johnc911 on Feb 17, 2009 10:49:16 GMT -5
If this is Friends bill i dont think calling him will do any good. I think its all the others we need to get ahold of. I know my Rep is a farm bureau guy. So i already know his take on this.
Am i wrong?
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Post by crazybuck on Feb 17, 2009 11:29:24 GMT -5
The only way to increase the harvest if it is neccessary is to increase the number of hunters. If we want to increase the number of hunters we have to increase opportunities. This means making crossbows legal for at least part of the early season, maybe add an early antlerless only muzzleloader season, earn a second buck where in order to earn the second buck you have to kill at least four does, make license cheaper, bring back the lifetime license. The problem with this line of thinking is that is assumed that the legislature and the IDNR have everyones best interests in mind. Insurance Companies would probably as soon decimate the deer population if they had their way about it. There has to be some acceptance of car/deer accidents if we are to keep this Natural Resource which is a part of our hunting Heritage. There has to be a balance. Years ago, deer were nearly driven to instinction in the US. The DNR and several organizations worked very hard to reestablish the whitetail deer throughout the state. Sportsmen nationwide contribute large amounts of money to the economy for this Resource, whether it be for natural viewing pleasure or hunting. I don't always believe the deer population numbers given because there is no true accurate way of obtaining them. I don't think anybody has been touting record population for numbers of deer in this state. Generally you will see an increase in harvest numbers as population numbers increase too. EHD and other natural causes have also taken a toll on the herds in some parts of the state, which are probably not factored in to the population numbers. If they want to give us more opportunity to thin out areas that need to be thinned where there are car/accident problems, they need to obtain more access for the hunter in those areas. I think there are plenty of hunters crawling all over each other. I look at opportunity as being able to see a deer when I go hunting. Those who think this Bill is about helping the hunter and affording more opportunity had better reevaluate it. The IDNR should be the sole ones in charge of our Natural Resources. |
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Post by jackc99 on Feb 17, 2009 12:31:32 GMT -5
If this is Friends bill i dont think calling him will do any good. I think its all the others we need to get ahold of. I know my Rep is a farm bureau guy. So i already know his take on this. Am i wrong? Farm Bureau got up at the house committee hearing and opposed this bill. No insurance company or group has endorsed it. Friend is doing this on his own. What fascinates me is the fact that not one person supported this bill and 5 spoke against it. Yet here we are facing passage of a bill that no one including the IDNR wants or requested. Jack |
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Post by Woody Williams on Feb 17, 2009 12:41:31 GMT -5
If this is Friends bill i dont think calling him will do any good. I think its all the others we need to get ahold of. I know my Rep is a farm bureau guy. So i already know his take on this. Am i wrong? Farm Bureau got up at the house committee hearing and opposed this bill. No insurance company or group has endorsed it. Friend is doing this on his own. What fascinates me is the fact that not one person supported this bill and 5 spoke against it. Yet here we are facing passage of a bill that no one including the IDNR wants or requested. Jack I've heard a lot of being against this bill. It is NOT the details in the bill that we should be for or against. We should be against ANY bill that the legislature has that takes away the game management authority from the DNR and NRC. Racktracker's post was dead on. Thanks for the clarification Jack. My personal opinion is that Rep Friend has it in for the DNR/NRC from the "shooting preserve" days. Any time he gets a chance to take a pot shot at the DNR/NRC he will do it. . |
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Post by Hawkeye on Feb 17, 2009 12:50:12 GMT -5
The only real problem I see here is not whats in the bill,but the fact the legislature is involved.
I really dont think the Insurance companies is behind this Bill.
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Post by crazybuck on Feb 17, 2009 12:59:10 GMT -5
If this is Friends bill i dont think calling him will do any good. I think its all the others we need to get ahold of. I know my Rep is a farm bureau guy. So i already know his take on this. Am i wrong? Farm Bureau got up at the house committee hearing and opposed this bill. No insurance company or group has endorsed it. Friend is doing this on his own. What fascinates me is the fact that not one person supported this bill and 5 spoke against it. Yet here we are facing passage of a bill that no one including the IDNR wants or requested. Jack Why would Friend do this on his own? Somebody is behind this. Are you saying that an Insurance company had reason to get up an oppose this? It might be true, but I don't know why they would do that. Anyway, I am with those who are against the legislature taking away game management authority from the DNR. |
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