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Post by muddyfork on Mar 4, 2009 9:49:43 GMT -5
Here's some "solution". Open up bow season in SEPTEMBER!!! Make the counties with the high deer numbers a "earn a buck" Have it written if your take four does in two years you earn a another buck.
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Post by freedomhunter on Mar 4, 2009 10:25:45 GMT -5
Take a step back boys. I for one hate deer. To me they are giant rats that endanger my family, and eat my crops. And I'm not alone, many many property owners and farmers see them the same way. As do most folks who have hit one with their vehicals. If this bill won't work what are YOUR ideas? There won't be a jump in hunters as not everyone wants to perch in a tree like a vulture and freeze their butt waiting for a deer to wander by. So what would you do to reduce the herd and take the pressure off? I already know land owners who do the 3 S method, and many who just won't comment. Step up boys. Stop complaining and offer a solution. We all know the plight of the farmer, but the animals belong to the state, not the farmer. Earn a buck would do wonders for population control in the high density areas.
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Post by js2397 on Mar 4, 2009 11:26:46 GMT -5
Ask the people of Wisconsin how the Earn a Buck system works.
Here is what I think might work.
1. Bring back the lifetime license
2. Allow crossbows early
3. In any county that allows you to take 4 or more does you could earn a county specific buck tag if you took at least four does
4. You could place a bounty on does
The main thing is you have to get people in the woods and give them a reason to shoot a doe.
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Post by Hoosier Hunter on Mar 4, 2009 11:38:21 GMT -5
A lot of crop land in my area is leased to other farmers for farming. Landowners don't allow hunting or allow limited hunting to a select few. The farmer leasing has to take advantage of the Dep Permits because of crop damage.
I don't see alot of complaining here. We're still looking for the justification. For starters I won't believe anything concerning the wildlife of Indiana unless in comes from the DNR. Especially not an opinion from special interest groups or insurance companies.
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Post by Woody Williams on Mar 4, 2009 13:14:31 GMT -5
Ask the people of Wisconsin how the Earn a Buck system works. Here is what I think might work. 1. Bring back the lifetime license 2. Allow crossbows early 3. In any county that allows you to take 4 or more does you could earn a county specific buck tag if you took at least four does 4. You could place a bounty on does The main thing is you have to get people in the woods and give them a reason to shoot a doe. IMO - All good suggestions except #4. They could however make it a dang site cheaper to hunt/kill them.
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Post by jackc99 on Mar 4, 2009 13:50:22 GMT -5
DNR offered 9-10 different suggestions to make this bill better/palatable. Rep. Friend used none of their ideas. He's still trying to punish DNR for his defeat over the high fence hunting. I expect the bill to end up in summer study and DNR can mold some of their ideas into this...unless it just goes away.
Jack
P.S. Just back from the statehouse and most (if not all) senators on the Natural Resources committee are aware of the controversy. We have friends on that committee and I hope that this bill will die there. Keep after 'em guys.
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Post by tickman1961 on Mar 4, 2009 14:13:31 GMT -5
Thanks for the insider information Jack.....
All your time and effort is greatly appreciated by folks around here..
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Post by Hoosier Hunter on Mar 4, 2009 15:02:37 GMT -5
So if it gets reviewed in the summer study wouldn't it even be doubtful that if something would be revised that those changes would not take place in the upcoming season?
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Post by jkd on Mar 5, 2009 1:19:57 GMT -5
Sgtwal - do you deer hunt your property, or give permission to others to hunt there?
There were several of us who testified at the House hearing on this bill regarding the main problem being lack of hunter access to a lot of areas with high deer populations...
The state should offer lower cost antlerless permits, or discounted combo permits (buy 2, get one free or something along that line), and offer landowners a property tax credit for allowing hunter access in high density areas...
I always get a kick out of towns and areas that hire sharpshooters and pay them handsome sums to kill deer, when these same areas typically didn't allow hunter access in the first place...
As a farmer and deer hunter, I think farmers should be required to allow hunting access before any depredation permits are allowed....
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Post by Ahawkeye on Mar 5, 2009 7:41:40 GMT -5
Sgtwal - do you deer hunt your property, or give permission to others to hunt there? There were several of us who testified at the House hearing on this bill regarding the main problem being lack of hunter access to a lot of areas with high deer populations... The state should offer lower cost antlerless permits, or discounted combo permits (buy 2, get one free or something along that line), and offer landowners a property tax credit for allowing hunter access in high density areas... I always get a kick out of towns and areas that hire sharpshooters and pay them handsome sums to kill deer, when these same areas typically didn't allow hunter access in the first place... As a farmer and deer hunter, I think farmers should be required to allow hunting access before any depredation permits are allowed....
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Post by pav on Mar 5, 2009 8:01:35 GMT -5
Hunter access is the number one issue to address. Changes to tag prices and structure could help. Increasing tag numbers, lengthening seasons and weapons liberalization will have very limited impact.
People are only going to shoot "X" number of deer. We already have extremely liberal seasons and tag potential.
Hunter access to problem areas is key.....and that is not something that can be fixed across the board. Too much land is being purchased and leased for recreational purposes. There is absolutely no means to get that land opened up for hunting. You might get some farmers to go for a program such as the Walk-In Hunting Access program in Kansas......but that idea won't fly on recreational ground.
I would ask....how bad is it, really? We have more miles of roads and highways than ever before. Deer habitat is shrinking by the day. Where do "we" draw the line? Do "we" eventually annihilate the species because "we" have left no room for them on this earth? That may sound over the top, but just look at how much things have changed around you in the last twenty years. What will it look like twenty years from now?...fifty years from now?
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Post by jackc99 on Mar 5, 2009 9:00:52 GMT -5
So if it gets reviewed in the summer study wouldn't it even be doubtful that if something would be revised that those changes would not take place in the upcoming season? Anything going to summer study would not be eligible for legislation until the 2010 legislature which would not be effective until the 2010 season. Also bills going to summer study suffer about a 50% chance of dying altogether. Last year's summer study passed on 3 bills out of about 15 presented to them - 2 technical amendments for IDNR and the invasive species bill which was in the works for years. Jack
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Post by hornharvester on Mar 5, 2009 9:46:16 GMT -5
Get rid of the OBR! Let the two season hunter kill the buck the OBR took away. According to the data that amounted to about 4000 deer a year. After all a deer is a deer whether its male or female and they eat crops and damage cars the same. h.h.
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Post by hountzmj on Mar 5, 2009 10:27:23 GMT -5
P.S. Just back from the statehouse and most (if not all) senators on the Natural Resources committee are aware of the controversy. We have friends on that committee and I hope that this bill will die there. Keep after 'em guys. Glad to hear you think they are on our side. I seem to have gotten the brush off form my senator. (Ryan Mishler) I e-mailed him when it was still in the house to make him aware of it. He told me he would look into the bill when it came to the senate. Well I e-mailed him again when it made it to his committee in the senate. This time I specifically asked where he stood on the bill. It has been over a week since I sent that message. No response. I sure hope he is on our side. --hountzmj
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Post by muddyfork on Mar 5, 2009 10:28:16 GMT -5
Ask the people of Wisconsin how the Earn a Buck system works. If you read the rest of my post after I write the "earn a buck" you'd see "Have it written if your take four does in two years you earn a another buck." Maybe a should have said "earn another buck"
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Post by js2397 on Mar 5, 2009 10:41:39 GMT -5
Sounds good. The earn a first buck is tough. I have heard stories where groups of hunters drive public ground and shoot whatever they see so they can go back to their private ground and takee their buck.
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Post by mrfixit on Mar 5, 2009 13:01:01 GMT -5
I would be steadfastly against any form of a "earn-a-buck" system. I would write my representatives daily until such a catastrophe was overturned. We can't wage war on does forever and hope to have a healthy, balanced and thriving deer herd in all areas of the state.
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Post by jackc99 on Mar 5, 2009 13:08:48 GMT -5
P.S. Just back from the statehouse and most (if not all) senators on the Natural Resources committee are aware of the controversy. We have friends on that committee and I hope that this bill will die there. Keep after 'em guys. Glad to hear you think they are on our side. I seem to have gotten the brush off form my senator. (Ryan Mishler) I e-mailed him when it was still in the house to make him aware of it. He told me he would look into the bill when it came to the senate. Well I e-mailed him again when it made it to his committee in the senate. This time I specifically asked where he stood on the bill. It has been over a week since I sent that message. No response. I sure hope he is on our side. --hountzmj Please keep after Mischler. I actually think he is one of the reasonable folks we have in the Senate. I really hope somebody can get Steele to change his mind. That would just about clinch it.
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Post by muddyfork on Mar 5, 2009 15:35:48 GMT -5
I would be steadfastly against any form of a "earn-a-buck" system. I would write my representatives daily until such a catastrophe was overturned. We can't wage war on does forever and hope to have a healthy, balanced and thriving deer herd in all areas of the state. Here's my entire post from before "Here's some "solution". Open up bow season in SEPTEMBER!!! Make the counties with the high deer numbers an "earn another buck" Have it written if your take four does in two years you earn another buck. "
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Post by Woody Williams on Mar 5, 2009 16:04:16 GMT -5
I would be steadfastly against any form of a "earn-a-buck" system. I would write my representatives daily until such a catastrophe was overturned. We can't wage war on does forever and hope to have a healthy, balanced and thriving deer herd in all areas of the state. Here's my entire post from before "Here's some "solution". Open up bow season in SEPTEMBER!!! Make the counties with the high deer numbers an "earn another buck" Have it written if your take four does in two years you earn another buck. " The only EAB that I could support would be on the second buck....
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