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Post by 1shotwade on Jan 6, 2017 10:23:35 GMT -5
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Post by 1shotwade on Jan 6, 2017 10:16:33 GMT -5
Dave I was only trying to point out the outside extreme.Unlikely,yes,impossible,no,it could happen. The whole point being the state has been allowing hunters to try and balance the herd by doe reduction.We should not expect them to pass a law that counters that by allowing there to be more bucks taken.
Onebent,I wasn't implying anything.Just trying to give you ideas as to better help your situation.I'd say if you can't go to the deer to hunt you need to bring the deer to you.20 acres isn't much but managed right(if you have the opportunity to do that)can hold deer just like any place else.It's hard to find deer after the first day of gun season. They stay where they think it's safe or the go nocturnal.I know of a little patch of woods that's no more than an acre and one year during gun season I saw 5 deer in it in the daylight and I saw them on 7 different occasions.It might sound like they are cheating but they aren't.They read the rule book. They know what they need to do to survive the season when the first shots are fired.
So there is no confusion,I am only trying to give you ideas that may help your hunting situation.That's what is good about these forums. People helping people. Wade
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Post by 1shotwade on Jan 6, 2017 9:12:29 GMT -5
I picked up a used ar15 at auction the other day. Got it for the right price and haven't got around to shooting it yet.It's made by R-Guns over in ILL. It looks good and seems to be built well with the exception of the stock.It's an adjustable and pretty sloppy.Just like to find out as much as I can about these as I have never had one before or seen R-guns before. Thanks y'all! Wade
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Post by 1shotwade on Jan 6, 2017 7:39:33 GMT -5
I don't know who would give you a hard time about killing does! If you killed all the deer within a square mile by next season they would have replenished that area.If people on here are giving you a hard time about killing does then we both are on the wrong dite>If it's your friends you need to find better friends and if it's family tell them to buy your steak so you don't have to kill does.
I agree it is getting harder to find a place to hunt but you need to do the leg work to find other places.There are public hunting areas around the state that are productive for the people that have gotten out there and learned the terrain and deer habits.That's what you will have to do also. There are no shortcuts.Make friends with country folks in your area.Get out and ask permission.See somebody that needs help,well help them.Being the right kind of person will open more doors that all the dollars will.If you are a good guy then be around these folks so they can see that you are.But if you insist on killing more than one buck expect to be caught some day and forfeit any and all equipment used in that act which includes your vehicle if caught transporting an illegal kill!That's just the way it is.Ask Bobby Knight how it works. Wade
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Post by 1shotwade on Jan 6, 2017 3:21:11 GMT -5
The state doesn't think taking 2 bucks is detrimental to the herd per say,it's just counter-productive to the goals set to maintain a healthy herd.The way I understand it is that they strive to maintain a population that is balanced as closely as possible to a one to one ratio.This is why you see so many counties where you can take an extra 8 deer per year. They are out of balance in that ratio.
People don't realize how fast the deer population can get out of control. A healthy doe will have twins in the spring and if they are both does and survive(which most do) until fall they come in estrus at that time.Once they reach a weight of between 60 and 70 pounds you have just added two more fawn making machines to the herd.usually a young doe will one have one fawn the first year but if healthy starting in the second year they will have twins also.
I have no Idea what the mortality rate is but as you can see starting with one breeding doe in less that a year you can have 3 breeding does so by letting her walk you have potentially increased the doe population by at least 300% and possibly up to as much as 900%.This is why we are allowed to take extra does. No one is trying to "limit" how many deer you can put on the table. If you need 11 deer to make it thru the year it is possible to do that within the confines of the county quotas but to allow more bucks to be taken will only lengthen to time period to bring the herd into balance. Wade
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Post by 1shotwade on Jan 5, 2017 15:35:54 GMT -5
THanks for the tip Dale! The 308 is on duty tonight until further notice! Wade
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Post by 1shotwade on Jan 5, 2017 15:00:38 GMT -5
I've got a wall full of racks that are between 110 and 130 or so. I really felt cheated that some guy close would kill a good deer and I never did. That all changed back in 2009 or 2010 when "Big Ugly" walked in from of my crosshairs.I measured him green gross at 167. That's what it took for me. I haven't killed a buck since.I let a lot of them walk now and I don't feel like I"have to get a big one".If I do I do. If not I shoot does. Wade
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Post by 1shotwade on Jan 5, 2017 14:51:15 GMT -5
I think it was the last time it was seen it was just inside the fence at the junction of Old Michigan road and 800s which runs from there to Rexville.I'm 5 miles east of Rexville.
Thanks for the info. I'll see if I can look up Big Oaks website! Wade
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Post by 1shotwade on Jan 5, 2017 14:07:29 GMT -5
It would be nice to have a link to it. I've not seen it yet. Just my brother telling me about it. He was working when it happened and got to see it. Wade
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Post by 1shotwade on Jan 5, 2017 11:49:06 GMT -5
DNR's job is to "manage" the herd. We can now take all the does you ever would want to as long as we do not exceed the county limit which a lot are 8 antlerless.I doubt we will live long enough to see a restriction of one or two does per year.
Wade
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Post by 1shotwade on Jan 5, 2017 10:33:57 GMT -5
What OBR has done is to cause a lot of hunters to be more selective in taking their only buck of the season which allows some of the younger bucks to become older bucks.You won't have big bucks if you keep killing the little bucks. Wade
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Post by 1shotwade on Jan 5, 2017 10:28:46 GMT -5
I don't mind having the outfitters and their clients hunting around me. They are typically selective about their harvest, holding out for 130" and bigger stuff and might shoot one doe, while the local dudes want to fill 4 doe tags and shoot anything brown. Maybe it's just who we come in contact with in our respective areas but I find that the local people are above board and the hunters that have moved in or are from out of town to be very disrespectful to the laws,fence lines, common courtesies,wanton waste etc.We had had to remove quite a few people from our stands in the past 30 years and every one of them were people we didn't know and our family didn't know and every one of them were something other than local a.i. "just moved into the are/out of towners etc." I can't count the times my uncle has had trouble over his lease hunters setting up on a line fence so they could shoot over on the neighbors property or fence jumping or shooting into people's buildings etc.These are the people that give hunters a bad name,not the locals. Wade
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Post by 1shotwade on Jan 5, 2017 7:44:48 GMT -5
Woody,I think I'm pretty much too old for tech stuff.My son keeps wanting to teach me this or that. I have to tell him"I don't want to know!I already know so much I can't remember it all!" LOL! Wade
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Post by 1shotwade on Jan 5, 2017 6:50:22 GMT -5
I'm not sure how to feel about this. There's a sense of selfishness I think in saying it's all mine but at the same time it's kind of cool to have people coming out of state just to hunt in Indiana. Well I know how I feel about it! The more coverage this gets the more out of staters will be here.That entices the land owners to lock up a contract with outsiders and the local guy that's had permission there for 50 years is out another place to hunt. It will get to the point if you don't own the land you will be hunting on public land only unless you have the money to compete with the outsiders. You can't really blame the farmer when the kind of money being paid for hunting rights in some cases exceeds what he makes per acre off the crops.We have little "patch type fields here. About 35 acres total so the crop lease was low,only $60 an acre.That's only $2100 annually off crops. With the rest of the land the total acreage is 87 acres. I'd bet you could get near that money on a hunting lease and never turn your hand. This is going to hurt the local people that don't own their own land. Wade
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Post by 1shotwade on Jan 5, 2017 6:10:39 GMT -5
I,ve never even heard of the 30-30 Wesson!Of course I'm totally new to reloading so that's a proper excuse.The book sounds nice but spending all the loose change on reloading equipment now.You know that old thing about being on a fixed income!You can't go out and work a couple hours of overtime to pick up a new toy! Wade
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Post by 1shotwade on Jan 4, 2017 22:13:24 GMT -5
That's not in my book but it's certainly the closest thing to it that I've seen! I'll have to make it and put it up somewhere if I can get a positive ID. I'll try to get time to mice it tomorrow! Wade
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Post by 1shotwade on Jan 4, 2017 22:02:42 GMT -5
So Woody,How did you do that when all I can do is get the link to Photobucket? Anyway,that is reduced from 800x600 to 320x240. That's the only way I could get it to load. Wade
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Post by 1shotwade on Jan 4, 2017 21:07:51 GMT -5
I have a brother working over at Big Oaks. They have a black bear in there for a few months now. Somebody deer hunting had it under his stand and filmed it.At some point it tried climbing the tree he was in and he did something that scared the bear and it ran off. This is all on film somewhere.The guy showed it when he came in from the hunt.Interesting. Wade
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Post by 1shotwade on Jan 4, 2017 20:57:04 GMT -5
The head stamp is 30WCF. It's exactly the same and so is the throat.I don't know a lot about this kind of stuff but the only reason I can come up with is that it had been fire formed in a different chamber.maybe I don't know what I'm talking about too cause that's happened before!LOL! Wade
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Post by 1shotwade on Jan 4, 2017 20:42:56 GMT -5
Bullseye you got me done! Hot sang! I fussed with that thing for an hour I guess. If hunt'n was this hard I wouldn't do it! Anyway,woody the image was 1.76 so it wouldn't fit on the site and had to be reduced.At least that's the way I understand it.I'm not much with computers.
The pix above is of the odd ball along side another 30WCF/30-30.I don't see it in the books unless it's a wildcat.Don't matter I guess. Just curious as to what and why. Wade
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