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Post by tynimiller on Oct 1, 2012 19:41:09 GMT -5
Okay didn't want to go off topic on the other thread as I already caused to do sadly some what.
Let me be very clear I'm for youth hunting...I even wish I had been able to take a co-worker kid but it didn't work out.
I said the following (about the fatal shooting) in perhaps a spur of the moment frustration and it appeared a lot worse than it truly is and I can understand:
"Well so much for nothing illegal going on....this is one of the reasons I'm against youth hunts. So easy for people to hunt illegally and tag it as their kids....but I understand and am behind the idea of youth hunts."
Let me be clear, with anything in hunting I see the pros and the cons, and yes I feel opening up a "loop hole" for some hunters to harvest more bucks is a negative, BUT IT IN NO WAY OVERRIDES THE POSITIVE YOUTH HUNTING SEASON CREATES.
Do I wish it was possible to assure nothing illegal happens during Youth Hunting...yes...do I feel youth hunting is to blame for illegal activity or the recent tragedy, HECK NO.
It was a tragedy plain and simple and one that could have been prevented by common sense and better character/choices.
So yes I shouldn't have worded my response the way I did..but I did and I'm apologizing because I realize I spoke a little quicker than my mind was able to think how it may be taken.
It should have said something probably more like this....
So much for nothing illegal happening...this is the one reason I am against the youth season. However, the pro's that the youth season create are well worth any kind of illegal activity idiots create during it. Prayers to the families involved.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2012 19:50:52 GMT -5
So...I'll ask again, what are the other reasons your against the youth hunt? You said ^ this was just one of them???
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Post by tynimiller on Oct 1, 2012 19:52:06 GMT -5
timex if you look I changed it to the one reason not one of the reasons. There honestly are no other negatives, hence the reason I said the pros outweigh any kind of cons that may exists, or in this case the con that exists.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2012 19:58:51 GMT -5
OK, so THE one reason is that it can create a illegal action by some few adults looking to bag a buck early or just get some meat into the freezer a day or two early? This happens all through Oct. and especially the night before gun season.
Youth Season is what it is, if you want to not have something because someone will abuse it, just wait till telechek comes on. When you analze the whole thing, there is a certain portion of the hunting public that will violate the rules.
There is only one weapon that can stop the abuse, and that is peer pressure from those who don't violate. If you know of this activity going on, it's up to you to do something about it.
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Post by tynimiller on Oct 1, 2012 20:05:26 GMT -5
Believe me I understand and know everything you said. And yeah I believe it is the one negative of it, and it's true illegal hunting occurs throughout the entire hunting season...very frustrating because it's a tough thing to stop. You say peer pressure, and I do as much as one man can...but if CO's can't just go by "hearsay" if the people don't admit it. It's the only aspect of hunting I dislike, which is why I sometimes cross a line of thinking first when I speak. Illegal hunting is an abuse of rules which mares the hunting world for all of us enjoying this amazing blessing we call whitetail hunting.
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Post by Woody Williams on Oct 1, 2012 20:12:59 GMT -5
Tyni,
I understand what you are saying.
It is a shame that somme folks would sully up a youth season, but they are out there. As you said, not enough to throw the baby out with the bath water.
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Post by tynimiller on Oct 1, 2012 20:19:14 GMT -5
Tyni, I understand what you are saying. It is a shame that somme folks would sully up a youth season, but they are out there. As you said, not enough to throw the baby out with the bath water. not even close to being worth throwing the baby out! thx woody!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2012 6:33:20 GMT -5
You misspoke, we all do that from time to time. I forgive you.
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Post by bsutravis on Oct 2, 2012 8:14:10 GMT -5
It should have said something probably more like this.... So much for nothing illegal happening...this is the one reason I am against the youth season. When you're in a hole.... stop digging!
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Post by tynimiller on Oct 2, 2012 8:18:33 GMT -5
It should have said something probably more like this.... So much for nothing illegal happening...this is the one reason I am against the youth season. When you're in a hole.... stop digging! It's not in a hole. It is a negative, but like everyone else seems to realize all the positive out weighs the negative. Just because you are still choosing to only see that one thought isn't my fault. I apologized for over stating accidently by making it seem I'm against the youth season and I feel there are multiple problems with it. Let me be clear one more time since you obviously can't read everything I posted. Is there a negative aspect of youth seasons...yes but it is abused by such a small number it in no way shape or form outweighs the positive aspects of the youth season! If you can't acknowledge that then I'm sorry, the fault is not mine at that point but in your hands solely. Like Timex stated, I can't let frustration over illegal activity cause me to make knee jerk comments which don't truly reflect my true feelings...and as he stated I can only take care of illegal activity around me by saying stuff and not remaining quiet (can't believe I just agreed with him twice! haha).
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Post by bsutravis on Oct 2, 2012 8:53:20 GMT -5
I've read all the posts on this and yet I'm amazed that you reposted something that again contained the words "I am against the youth season."
All the backtracking and trying to reword things is in vain when you keep the words that caused all the outrage in the first place. I understand you're pointing out what you feel is a negative aspect, but once again you clearly stated the fact that you are "against the youth season." That's why I said to stop digging, because when you leave that line in your text and just try to defend it, it will never overcome what the words say.
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Post by dbd870 on Oct 2, 2012 11:05:09 GMT -5
I've read all the posts on this and yet I'm amazed that you reposted something that again contained the words "I am against the youth season." All the backtracking and trying to reword things is in vain when you keep the words that caused all the outrage in the first place. I understand you're pointing out what you feel is a negative aspect, but once again you clearly stated the fact that you are "against the youth season." That's why I said to stop digging, because when you leave that line in your text and just try to defend it, it will never overcome what the words say. I understand what you're getting at. The way he phrased it doesn't express what he really means. Choosing words can be a real pain sometimes.
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Post by tynimiller on Oct 2, 2012 11:12:11 GMT -5
I've read all the posts on this and yet I'm amazed that you reposted something that again contained the words "I am against the youth season." All the backtracking and trying to reword things is in vain when you keep the words that caused all the outrage in the first place. I understand you're pointing out what you feel is a negative aspect, but once again you clearly stated the fact that you are "against the youth season." That's why I said to stop digging, because when you leave that line in your text and just try to defend it, it will never overcome what the words say. One reason I'm against motorcycles is that they don't have seat belts yet it's law to have to wear one...doesn't mean I'm against motorcycles (actually own one myself) but it means heaven forbid there are things that you would put on the against side. Another example is taxes. I'm against them in general but understand their purpose. Yet another; One reason I'm against the online or telechecking of deer is the abuse that can happen with people just buying spouse/children tags but them using them all....however I love the convenience it will give me. It is very possible to be for something but acknowledge aspects of something that would be in the "against" category. You can sugar coat it so you don't use the word against, but you put a ghillie suit on a duck it's still a duck. My final example is one reason I'm against Ron Paul is some of his foreign policy...but I'm for him in a lot more categories.
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Post by tynimiller on Oct 2, 2012 11:14:45 GMT -5
I've read all the posts on this and yet I'm amazed that you reposted something that again contained the words "I am against the youth season." All the backtracking and trying to reword things is in vain when you keep the words that caused all the outrage in the first place. I understand you're pointing out what you feel is a negative aspect, but once again you clearly stated the fact that you are "against the youth season." That's why I said to stop digging, because when you leave that line in your text and just try to defend it, it will never overcome what the words say. I understand what you're getting at. The way he phrased it doesn't express what he really means. Choosing words can be a real pain sometimes. Thanks! Like I posted above I am not against the Youth Season do I acknowledge the one negative I feel exists..yes, but will never be against the youth season overall.
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Post by jb1069 on Oct 2, 2012 13:04:18 GMT -5
Heck I am game..why dont someone list all the positives for youth season. I have an opinion and will state it. Im against trophys for the losing team and im against everyone making the team. There is times in life where learning the right way isnt by always getting a head start. Remember the days when you only got to carry a bb gun. Or even before that you only got to tag along. Thats what I feel builds character. Waiting and doing it like your father or mentor did it, then it might mean enough to you that you carry on with it through life. Maybe you can say its a safety issue being less people in the woods but you also add the factor of alot of youngsters in the woods with a weapon. Setting up a youth weekend to me has always sent the wrong message. But it does sell alot of tags for just a 2 day event. Again this is just my opinion. Let the fireworks begin!!!
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Post by bowhunterjohn on Oct 2, 2012 13:50:31 GMT -5
we cannot let the bad eggs spoil it for the kids
Personally we need to report anyone that abuses the system if we are to keep it alive
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Post by tynimiller on Oct 2, 2012 14:06:37 GMT -5
Heck I am game..why dont someone list all the positives for youth season. I have an opinion and will state it. Im against trophys for the losing team and im against everyone making the team. There is times in life where learning the right way isnt by always getting a head start. Remember the days when you only got to carry a bb gun. Or even before that you only got to tag along. Thats what I feel builds character. Waiting and doing it like your father or mentor did it, then it might mean enough to you that you carry on with it through life. Maybe you can say its a safety issue being less people in the woods but you also add the factor of alot of youngsters in the woods with a weapon. Setting up a youth weekend to me has always sent the wrong message. But it does sell alot of tags for just a 2 day event. Again this is just my opinion. Let the fireworks begin!!! That took balls to say...can't imagine what some will say if my comments were attacked so much. I respect your opinion and honestly feel a lot of it is spot on. Character building is a big part of life, but I like others feel the youth hunting season is one which does far more good than bad. I do feel the age could be dropped some if a vote on that ever took place.
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Post by ms660 on Oct 2, 2012 14:14:02 GMT -5
I never had a so called "youth" season while growing up, it was just deer season then, and now thinking back 43 years ago when I first started deer hunting with my Dad, it was youth season because God knows, and I do to now that he sacrificed the majority of the adult season and not just a week end making mine great.
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Post by woody1071 on Oct 2, 2012 14:24:47 GMT -5
tynimiller, Why would you want to take away a hunt from a 17 year old kid? He is not an adult in all other realms of law (except in some extreme criminal cases).
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Post by tynimiller on Oct 2, 2012 14:46:14 GMT -5
tynimiller, Why would you want to take away a hunt from a 17 year old kid? He is not an adult in all other realms of law (except in some extreme criminal cases). I stated that I would be for lowering it based solely upon myself at that age. I was hunting by the age of 11 for squirrels, which my dad taught me for years proper safety techniques and I hunted with him during deer season but only as a tag along and shadowing him. By the time I was just 15 I was hunting for deer by myself and fully capable of not needing a youth season. Don't get me wrong if I could go back to the age of 15-17 and have an extra jump on the competition (neighboring hunters) it'd have been game over! Just my opinion that if a kid can drive themselves to the spot to hunt, they more than likely are fully capable of hunting when others do. I will let the record show I'd rather have a youth season and include 17years and younger then not have one at all. Just my opinion.
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