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Post by jb1069 on Oct 3, 2012 11:49:10 GMT -5
"Like they say, theres a butt for every seat. Looks.like your opiniin is a minority one, which is a good thing for our kids."
And yet you still cant list anything other than recruitment which you had to copy off of Woodys paper to get that one.
Surely this whole wonderful thing of youth season was set up for more than money??
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Post by jjas on Oct 3, 2012 11:53:07 GMT -5
jb1069
First of all, I didn't mention your handle or name. If you chose to see yourself in my post that's your decision.
Now, on to the subject @ hand....to answer your question, and I quote...
"My question was then and still is Does it take a youth season to do this? Does it make it easier? I dont think it does."
I don't think it makes it easier, but it does allow them a chance to learn to hunt without the added pressure of the woods crawling with adult hunters.
And I guess my question to you is...what's the harm?
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Post by Woody Williams on Oct 3, 2012 11:55:12 GMT -5
"Like they say, theres a butt for every seat. Looks.like your opiniin is a minority one, which is a good thing for our kids." And yet you still cant list anything other than recruitment which you had to copy off of Woodys paper to get that one. Surely this whole wonderful thing of youth season was set up for more than money?? Not about money. It is about the very existance of hunting. If we don't recruit new hunters hunting will die a slow death..
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Post by jb1069 on Oct 3, 2012 12:23:23 GMT -5
I have stated what I feel is wrong with it. Thats when you chose to accuse Me or whoever you were referring to (not sure who else that may be since I am the only one debating this) that all I am worried about is someone killing MY deer. I have said it several times. I THINK IT SENDS THE WRONG MESSAGE.
Woody, I agree that you personally and many others have to the true intention of helping and bringing in new hunters. As far as the money comment...why doesnt the state do it as a free weekend then? They do this for fishing. This would not only bring in the kids without mentors but also give the kids that are less fortunate financially. Its not like every deer they kill costs them money...its just that every deer is an opportunity for money.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2012 12:39:04 GMT -5
Very few hunters mind paying their own way. If it was about money, it would cost more than what it costs to handle the permits. Plus, those licenses sold indicate a number of hunters, which translate into P-R money back from the Fed.
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Post by dadfsr on Oct 3, 2012 12:45:15 GMT -5
dadfsr, I agree with you as I have already stated I applaud each and every mentor that takes a child under his wing and shares this sport we love. My question was then and still is Does it take a youth season to do this? Does it make it easier? I dont think it does. You may think it doesn't make it easier however I think it does....JMHO It would make it even easier if the youth license for these hunts were free AND they included at LEAST two weekends....special treatment for the youth?!!?!? You better bet on it! I've spent too many decades working with youth while involved in Scouting to know that as soon as $$ are involved the going gets a lot tougher-especially in today's economic times.
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Post by jb1069 on Oct 3, 2012 12:45:50 GMT -5
But we aren't talking about hunters. We are talking about youths, and youths that don't have mentors, and youths usually don't have a job. And if they don't have either of those then the money is a big issue. Are we helping kids or we just helping kids that have the money??
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Post by jb1069 on Oct 3, 2012 12:57:26 GMT -5
I think this discussion has ran its course. Last thing I want to do is put any negative impact on hunting in general.
I think it is time for me to support a youth. I will do this by paying for one childs deer license this year. The first person who pm's me I will send them the money to do this.
I challenge my fellow hunters to match me. Have a great season...Jim Behagg
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Post by firstwd on Oct 3, 2012 13:20:27 GMT -5
I guess I'm lost on the whole money issue. There is not a special "youth Season License" these kids (parents) have to buy. The kids are hunting on the same license they will use during regular season, squirrel season, and hopefully all other seasons the year provides.
I get that you think a "special" season sends the wrong message. I think Government handouts and the current administration sends a wrong message. The difference is these kids still have to work for what they get, they just have a couple hundred thousand less people in the woods while they're doing it.
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Post by firstwd on Oct 3, 2012 13:22:02 GMT -5
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Post by jb1069 on Oct 3, 2012 13:53:26 GMT -5
Whatever you think...my offer stands to help a kid who might need it.
I don't agree with the current administration either as far as all that goes. You take care of yours and I will take care of mine.
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Post by water63 on Oct 3, 2012 13:54:10 GMT -5
Way to go JB! This goes to show that even though some of us have differing opinions in the end we are all about protecting our heritage as hunters. I have been watching this thread as a new guy on the site I think this has been a good discussion no matter what side of the fence you are on. As for the license deal I am going to take a young man from our church out and in honor of JB's request I will buy his license.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2012 13:58:55 GMT -5
So, are you.saying you dont have a youth dependent. Instead of simply paying for one youth license why not find a houth to take under your wing and teach how to hunt....and pay for it as needed.
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Post by bowhunterjohn on Oct 3, 2012 14:17:29 GMT -5
I feel that there should be a mentor/adult along for the special youth hunts.
Deer and turkey are the two most dangerous hunting activities in the field, that is when you should have an adult supervising
also how many kids would be able to drag a deer out by themselves ?
I'm totally for the youth hunts, gets more dad's and mentors out with kids, something we need MORE of today
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Post by tynimiller on Oct 3, 2012 14:21:37 GMT -5
So, are you.saying you dont have a youth dependent. Instead of simply paying for one youth license why not find a houth to take under your wing and teach how to hunt....and pay for it as needed. The man can't do anything right anymore no matter what ?
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Post by tynimiller on Oct 3, 2012 14:22:33 GMT -5
I feel that there should be a mentor/adult along for the special youth hunts. Deer and turkey are the two most dangerous hunting activities in the field, that is when you should have an adult supervising also how many kids would be able to drag a deer out by themselves ? I'm totally for the youth hunts, [glow=red,2,300]gets more dad's and mentors out with kids[/glow], something we need MORE of today If for no other reason this is a good aspect all can agree it does cause!
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Post by jb1069 on Oct 3, 2012 14:24:19 GMT -5
Yes I have a dependent youth and I take care of mine both financially and by supporting them in whatever they choose to do,taking them when they want to go hunting and teaching them what little I know. I have taken several youths throughout the years. This isn't something new. Dads and mentors have been doing this for a long time. They just didn't need a special season to do it. If my offer to help a child is not enough to satisfy you that's your issue.
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Post by Woody Williams on Oct 3, 2012 14:40:50 GMT -5
I think this discussion has ran its course. Last thing I want to do is put any negative impact on hunting in general. I think it is time for me to support a youth. I will do this by paying for one childs deer license this year. The first person who pm's me I will send them the money to do this. I challenge my fellow hunters to match me. Have a great season...Jim Behagg Very generous offer....
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Post by firstwd on Oct 3, 2012 14:50:04 GMT -5
Whatever you think...my offer stands to help a kid who might need it. I don't agree with the current administration either as far as all that goes. You take care of yours and I will take care of mine. Again, lost. Whatever I think about what? The Freedom Hunt isn't a great reason for the youth season, or that their isn't a special youth season license? I guess I should ask one question. Do you allow your kids to participate in the Youth Deer Season?
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Post by jb1069 on Oct 3, 2012 15:01:08 GMT -5
firstwd, I think you understand why I said "whatever you think"..I made a simple offer and you went straight to a comparison of it being a handout like our current administration is all about. Like I said I don't agree with that way of life either. I take care of mine and ask nothing from no one. I am sure with you comments you are the same way. My offer to pay for a child's license is just that. Nothing more intended. And to answer your question no I would not. I would tell them "squirrel season is in. Lets go do that."
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