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Post by Woody Williams on Oct 2, 2012 15:04:37 GMT -5
No, Youth Hunts not to blame..,
Just like the regular deer or turkey hunting seasons are not to blame for some idiot pulling the trigger on another hunter. Anyone that wants to place the blame on the youth seasons has an agenda or is sour grapes from not getting what they wanted concerning the youth season.
For those that dont know:
The original youth season was antlerless only , 15 and under and could only take one.
Subsequent administrative rules changes has been changed to make it what it is today..
Personally I'd like to see it changed from the starting dates that the bowhunters lobbied for and got to the weekend before the gun opener.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2012 15:05:11 GMT -5
Heck I am game..why dont someone list all the positives for youth season. I have an opinion and will state it. Im against trophys for the losing team and im against everyone making the team. There is times in life where learning the right way isnt by always getting a head start. Remember the days when you only got to carry a bb gun. Or even before that you only got to tag along. Thats what I feel builds character. Waiting and doing it like your father or mentor did it, then it might mean enough to you that you carry on with it through life. Maybe you can say its a safety issue being less people in the woods but you also add the factor of alot of youngsters in the woods with a weapon. Setting up a youth weekend to me has always sent the wrong message. But it does sell alot of tags for just a 2 day event. Again this is just my opinion. Let the fireworks begin!!! I'm am just going to say that I disagree, and that the world has changed a lot since I was a kid. I will leave it at that. |
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Post by jb1069 on Oct 2, 2012 15:07:52 GMT -5
How is it taking away from them? The season starts Oct 1st for bowhunting. If you dont bowhunt then you have to wait till November. Why dont we just let kids gun hunt through bow season? If we continue in life to knock down every hurdle our kids have to face how do they ever learn to jump? What will drive them to be an adult when all the extra's come as a child? How important will hunting be to them if they dont have their special season? Will they love hunting as we do or will they just love killing one and showing it off? Alot of passion for this sport comes from the learning process not just the killing process. How many complained about the doe only youth program? If it is all just a special bonding thing cant you bond with a doe? Because it isnt any of that. It is a so called "lets get the youth involved ordeal that sells more tags and lets dads with over inflated egos take a kid and kill a buck early so they can brag to their buddies that they took little johnny to the woods and killed a monster buck. That kid has no more idea of what he got that the man in the moon. Now the rest of his hunting career, which may not last very long, he will be expecting a monster buck around every corner...and when he realizes that aint the case he will get frustrated and quit. Heck you might as well have an youth drinking weekend...all kids wanna try that too.
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Post by tynimiller on Oct 2, 2012 15:15:30 GMT -5
No, Youth Hunts not to blame.., Just like the regular deer or turkey hunting seasons are not to blame for some idiot pulling the trigger on another hunter. Anyone that wants to place the blame on the youth seasons has an agenda or is sour grapes from not getting what they wanted concerning the youth season. For those that dont know: The original youth season was antlerless only , 15 and under and could only take one. Subsequent administrative rules changes has been changed to make it what it is today.. Personally I'd like to see it changed from the starting dates that the bowhunters lobbied for and got to the weekend before the gun opener. I agree with everything you just said Woody! Great post! |
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Post by tynimiller on Oct 2, 2012 15:17:23 GMT -5
Heck you might as well have an youth drinking weekend...all kids wanna try that too. I laughed at this big time! I understand part of the problem with the youth is they think they're entitled to everything special...but I don't feel the youth season causes that...but I do agree it should be just doe, no need for antler craze to infect kids.  |
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Post by Woody Williams on Oct 2, 2012 15:32:10 GMT -5
jb1069,
You sure did a lot of supposing and broad brush painting.
As I see, there is absolutely nothing worng with starting a kid out in a season all their own.
The name of our game should be hunter recruitment and that is the very best way to get thee youngtsers involved.
As far as the doe thing. Yep, I fought long and hard to get that changed as I believe in equality for all. Every deer hunter group going had a choice in what they could take - buck or doe EXCEPT the kids. Pretty poor if you ask me.
The excuse given at the time was that "the landowners wouldn't allow the kids to hunt if they could kill a buck".. POOOEEEYY! Some bowhunters did not want the kids to have first crack at the buck they had been watching all summer..
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Post by jb1069 on Oct 2, 2012 15:54:28 GMT -5
Supposing and broad brush painting? Hmmm? maybe maybe not. I kinda think I am spot on. Several posts ago I asked for the list of benefits of the youth season...so far only you have listed one saying it is the best way to recruit new hunters. I doubt there is any solid facts to base that on but for conversation I can agree it is one way.
Now for the majority of recruitment I would say recruitment honors go to the dad or mentor that has hunted the whole time these kids have grown up. They talk it, they live it, they love it and this passion passes down to the next generation simply because they want to feel what dad feels when all the time and effort pays off. These kids will be our next generation of hunters not the ones given a special head start.
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Post by water63 on Oct 2, 2012 15:54:42 GMT -5
Just my 2 cents I think that the youth hunt allows the kids to get out with a adult and hunt. Do the adults shoot deer .....sure does that happen in regular season.....YES are kids another buck tag for some guys heck yea. But the true meaning of this season is to get the kids out there with a responsible adult to learn the ropes and hopefully get a trophy. A trophy to a kids is a deer they really don't care if it has a 140 class rack or is a bald doe they just want to be able to harvest one. I teach hunter ed and you can see the excitement in their eyes when I mention going out I sometimes think we loose sight of our future. I know some of you will not like what I have said but my daughters are proud of their first deer and this is what this season is about. It is a shame that some choose to abuse it but those are the one that will push the limits anyway.
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Post by firstwd on Oct 2, 2012 15:54:50 GMT -5
Personally I feel the youth season needs a little more tweaking. I'm not a big fan of being able to take the county limit of anterless deer. What I would love to see is Youth Season be treated like the Military/Refuge draw hunts. During the two day youth season each hunter can take one deer of either sex, and that deer does not count toward their state wide limit.
As for anyone who complains that a youth season is not needed because they didn't have one growing up and they did just fine. Well, you didn't have computers, video games, and the endless supply of other things grabbing your attention either. Way back in the day everyone hunter just to eat. Now hunter are there for the sport, entertainment, and tradition of it. If youth seasons were not a part of Indiana's and other states recruitment efforts, I truly believe hunting would die. Kids expectations are effected more by the hunting shows that are always on TV way more than the one or two monster bucks that kids kill during the youth season every year.
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Post by firstwd on Oct 2, 2012 15:58:00 GMT -5
Supposing and broad brush painting? Hmmm? maybe maybe not. I kinda think I am spot on. Several posts ago I asked for the list of benefits of the youth season...so far only you have listed one saying it is the best way to recruit new hunters. I doubt there is any solid facts to base that on but for conversation I can agree it is one way. Now for the majority of recruitment I would say recruitment honors go to the dad or mentor that has hunted the whole time these kids have grown up. They talk it, they live it, they love it and this passion passes down to the next generation simply because they want to feel what dad feels when all the time and effort pays off. These kids will be our next generation of hunters not the ones given a special head start. Offer to take a kid or two that is not your own and see how much this season recruits. I took a young man 4 years ago, he hunts every year and went to Nation skeet championships in St. Louis this past year. It works. |
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Post by jb1069 on Oct 2, 2012 16:02:18 GMT -5
And you dont think he would be the same young man if you would have taken him during regular season? I bet he would have
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Post by windingwinds on Oct 2, 2012 16:24:04 GMT -5
On the "steps" to being a hunter thing. There will always be those parents that say their 6 yr old is able to understand hunting, etc and should be able to hunt. Well not my kids, but I am responsible adult that worked them through at a rate so that I passed my values onto them, while they mature. This is my 12, going on 13 yr olds first season that I've allowed him to carry a weapon. He WASN'T ready yet before, but whom am I to say someone else's kid wouldn't be ready at 10 yrs old? Law is not to replace common sense or you get into loss of freedom for everyone because of the morons of the world, and there are other countries that follow that line of thinking. The youth season is a special time of year, and I feel blessed there are those in the DNR that promote passing on a tradition. Yeah, I could just bring them along regular seasons and I do, but Youth season is that something more, just for them. We need a strong front against those whom would take away our rights to hunt.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2012 16:58:06 GMT -5
I find it ironic this guy's handle starts with "jb"....hmmm. Can you say bitter?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2012 17:18:39 GMT -5
Sad is what it is that a grown man and supposedly an experienced hunter would have this point of view or jb's for that matter.
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Post by jjas on Oct 2, 2012 17:43:51 GMT -5
Woody Williams
And for many that's why they are trying to blame the youth season for the actions of a poacher.
It's just that simple......
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Post by water63 on Oct 2, 2012 18:54:30 GMT -5
Personally I feel the youth season needs a little more tweaking. I'm not a big fan of being able to take the county limit of anterless deer. What I would love to see is Youth Season be treated like the Military/Refuge draw hunts. During the two day youth season each hunter can take one deer of either sex, and that deer does not count toward their state wide limit. As for anyone who complains that a youth season is not needed because they didn't have one growing up and they did just fine. Well, you didn't have computers, video games, and the endless supply of other things grabbing your attention either. Way back in the day everyone hunter just to eat. Now hunter are there for the sport, entertainment, and tradition of it. If youth seasons were not a part of Indiana's and other states recruitment efforts, I truly believe hunting would die. Kids expectations are effected more by the hunting shows that are always on TV way more than the one or two monster bucks that kids kill during the youth season every year. I agree with you on this the youth season being only 2 days should have some limits on it. I still think the theory behind it is a great idea and we only hear about the bad you seldom hear the stories like in your other post about the youngster that went on.....Just say'n |
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Post by tynimiller on Oct 2, 2012 22:00:23 GMT -5
Sad is what it is that a grown man and supposedly an experienced hunter would have this point of view or jb's for that matter. Was this directed to me Time? |
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Post by bowhunterjohn on Oct 3, 2012 6:26:13 GMT -5
I'll agree with the bag limit thing, youth should be ONE deer, allowing more is asking for trouble and almost baiting adults into doing the wrong thing.
My son is just happy with his deer, any youth should be happy with one deer.
I do agree with the buck rule, my son at age 10 and 12 could have killed a buck and had to pass because it was doe only.
Oh and I am a avid bowhunter and I have no problem with youth killing bucks, we've become to antler crazed
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Post by jb1069 on Oct 3, 2012 8:02:20 GMT -5
"I find it ironic this guy's handle starts with "jb"....hmmm. Can you say bitter?"
Just what do you find ironic? My name is Jim Behagg...Get it? I am not hiding behind some user name. Its just what I came up with when signing up for this forum. If there is something I am missing please clue me in.
As far as being bitter you are way off, this whole discussion started because one man slightly misspoke about the youth season. His comments lead people to believe he blamed youth season for the death occurring over the weekend. At that point everyone felt the need to correct him. Where I messed up was not starting this as a whole new thread because even as "bitter" as you say I am I do not think for one minute youth season caused the death of this young man. From the facts I have read none of us know the whole story yet. Either way it is a terrible lose for his family.
Timex,
You say its sad to have the point of view that someone else has or for that matter mine. Care to explain? I have requested twice the benefits coming from youth season and so far only Woody has shared his views on that? I have shared mine. Please share yours.
In my opinion, every benefit anyone can list about youth season I can list the exact same benefit for youths in regular season with the added benefit of teaching a child that they don't need a head start to make it great. That opening morning of gun season only comes once and that's why its special.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2012 8:22:29 GMT -5
Im all for youths hunting in the regular season in addition to youth only seasons.
Soon after the year 2000 most every state realized that with aging populations and very little.youth recruitment, that budgets and programs administered by DNRS could not sustain. The idea was an all out effort to.increase awareness and efforts so that more young people would have an oppurtunity to take up hunting as a way of lfe.
After years of steady declines in hunter numbers, we now see a good healthy increase in overall numbers if hunters. Mostly due to programs such as.special youth seasons, AIS projects, apprentice licenses, etc. All these help ncrease our numbers and decrease efforts to eliminate sport hunting as we know it.
Now, seems that a very high precentage of sportsmen agree with these programs. Your one of the.few who does not. Heck just stay home.those days and let your kds play video games and watch Oprah.
Hunting is a great tradition and it will live on through our youths. Youth hunts promote that in a great way.
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