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Post by dbd870 on Oct 3, 2012 9:58:52 GMT -5
Exactly. I got more excited about Johnny getting his first (a fork) last fall than any deer I've ever taken.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2012 10:03:55 GMT -5
jb, what is so wrong with a 2 day youth only season? during firearms season most kids only get to hunt the weekends because of school which is more important than hunting. 2 more days aint hurting nothing.
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Post by tynimiller on Oct 3, 2012 10:08:09 GMT -5
JB, woody is talking more about the organized youth hunts he and others are involved in. Yes fathers should take their sons and daughters throughout the year. However the special season does allow a greater ability to put on youth hunts designed by hunters who can't hunt themselves, hence the cool opportunities some of the guys on this board are part of.
I feel your frustration though, and I do understand mentors or father figures shouldn't stop just because youth season is over...and I don't think Timex, Woody or anyone would disagree with those thoughts.
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Post by Woody Williams on Oct 3, 2012 10:09:09 GMT -5
"For these mentors taking the kids out is not about getting the kids hunting out of the way early. It is the season that the DNR gave us..we HAVE to abide with that." Is there a law saying kids cant be taken during regular season? No..if you are a mentor or father figure you are one for life...not just two days. No. absolutely not.. I also posted ... "Hopefully dad will take them later too..." The youth season is DEVOTED time to the youth ONLY.. Dad doesn't have to even think about hunting for himself.
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Post by Woody Williams on Oct 3, 2012 10:11:35 GMT -5
Guys,
I've had to edit a post here...please keep it on the subject and not about something personal
Thanks...
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Post by jb1069 on Oct 3, 2012 10:17:32 GMT -5
Boonehunter,
You can make this about me if you like but that is not the case at all. If you read everything I have posted you will at least understand my point of view. But if you don't want to go back and read I will state it again. I think it sends the wrong message. Maybe some people let their kids open presents early, I do not. I think there is more to learn and to love with following tradition. Everyone in life has to learn sometime that they have to wait for the good stuff. Every time we remove these obstacles in life we send a message to our children that they don't have to wait. I don't agree with that. Plain and simple. Some guys want to compare it to competitive sports. I don't agree with that either but I can see where they are coming from. But even with sports the super bowl isn't at the beginning of season. Its after a life time of practice and dedication that makes the super bowl what it is.
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Post by jb1069 on Oct 3, 2012 10:21:52 GMT -5
If the edited post was directed towards me please send it in a personal message. I missed it but I can assure you I will respond to it.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2012 10:30:31 GMT -5
i have read all your post. the last one here makes me think you would prefer the youth hunt at the end of the year. you refer to the super bowl. the super bowl isnt for kids. its for adults who are way overpayed to do what they do. kids getting a couple extra days afield in the early season is totally acceptable by the majority. ask any of the kids that hunted this seasons youth hunt to see if they think that they are being treated any different by getting a speciacl season. the later the year the worse the weather gets and the less likely a kid will be to go out in freezing temperatures. some will most wont. and in case you are wondering i do have a kid who is too young to hunt but has been with me on my hunts. he has went bowfishing with me turkey hunting and deer hunting. he witnessed me kill a turkey, multiple fish bigger than him and sat in 15 degree temps with snow on the ground last year in january with me deer hunting. he loves it. do i want him to have EVERY oppurtunity when it comes his time to try and harvest a deer, yes i do. if it happens to be before a 2 day youth only hunt, he wont care. he loves the outdoors time with daddy. by the way, he is only 4
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Post by dadfsr on Oct 3, 2012 10:41:40 GMT -5
jb-if I'm reading your post right it looks like you're assuming that all young hunters will be coming from a family that has "tradition" with the shooting sports?
I know of at least one young member on here that comes from a family that does not hunt-therefore there none of the "tradition" that you so fondly talk about to continue on with. This young member has participated in one of the youth hunts, learned that "tradition" from non-family members and is now ready to start some of his own traditions! If just one youngster can be brought back into "the flock" by these special youth hunts then they are accomplishing what they have been set out to do.
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Post by jjas on Oct 3, 2012 10:45:18 GMT -5
I've read the posts and this smokescreen of "let's not spoil the kids with a special hunt" crap all I care too.
This is nothing more than another attempt @ stopping anyone from getting into the woods before certain trophy bowhunters do and thus protecting "their" deer from everyone else.
That's why they were against the youth season to begin with, that's why they fought 2.0 so hard, it's why they want to blame the youth season for what a poacher did, it's why they want the September bowseason, it's why they didn't want crossbows in the archery season for all, and it's why you want the gun season shortened and moved.
Why don't you just admit it....you know you don't want anyone who doesn't hunt "your" way killing "your" deer.
Man up and admit it........
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Post by firstwd on Oct 3, 2012 10:51:54 GMT -5
jb- you don't think kids need anything special to be a part of something and referred to not letting your kids open presents early. I can only assume you man Christmas presents. If presents are kids' main focus about Christmas, then they are already missing something.
As for competing for deer... you are right, hunting is not a competition, but every dead deer is one less a kid has a chance at. I do take my kids during regular season, have since they could hunt. My daughter absolutely can not stand to get cold, and some previous medical issues makes it feel worse. She is not yet comfortable enough to shoot a vertical bow. The Youth Season is her best chance to kill a deer unless the weather is really warm in November. The inclusion of crossbow will help just as soon as I can swing getting her one. But hey, lets not give kids any special treatment.
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Post by Woody Williams on Oct 3, 2012 10:53:31 GMT -5
I've read the posts and this smokescreen of "let's not spoil the kids with a special hunt" crap all I care too. This is nothing more than another attempt @ stopping anyone from getting into the woods before the trophy bowhunters do and thus protecting "their" deer from everyone else. That's why they were against the youth season to begin with, that's why they fought 2.0 so hard, it's why they want to blame the youth season for what a poacher did, it's why they want the September bowseason, it's why they didn't want crossbows in the archery season for all and it's why they continue this nasty fight all the time. Why don't you just admit it....you know you don't want anyone who doesn't hunt "your" way killing "your" deer before you get a crack @ it...admit it.... Man up and admit it........ While you are spot on with some folks I don't think anyone can automatically assign that stance to anyone debating pro or con on this thread... Again... We need to stick to the subject..
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Post by dbd870 on Oct 3, 2012 10:57:05 GMT -5
This is true of Johnny as well.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2012 11:10:28 GMT -5
I know of one particular groip that hosts a youth hunt but does.not allow.the youngster to shoot bucks. What does that promote?
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Post by jb1069 on Oct 3, 2012 11:13:29 GMT -5
I've read the posts and this smokescreen of "let's not spoil the kids with a special hunt" crap all I care too. This is nothing more than another attempt @ stopping anyone from getting into the woods before certain trophy bowhunters do and thus protecting "their" deer from everyone else. That's why they were against the youth season to begin with, that's why they fought 2.0 so hard, it's why they want to blame the youth season for what a poacher did, it's why they want the September bowseason, it's why they didn't want crossbows in the archery season for all, and it's why you want the gun season shortened and moved. Why don't you just admit it....you know you don't want anyone who doesn't hunt "your" way killing "your" deer. Man up and admit it........ Man up ? I have debated with everyone on here over this. Even stated my name so you know exactly who you are talking too. I haven't pulled a single punch on anything I have voiced my opinion on. This is my opinion like it or not. You can choose to bad mouth me all you want but you wont change my opinion. It has nothing to do with the deer being killed. And just what is MY way of hunting since you seem to know me so well? I would be I hunt just like the majority.
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Post by jb1069 on Oct 3, 2012 11:22:47 GMT -5
firstwd,
I have acknowledged each of your points but yet you want to assume and make it personal. Let me be the first to tell you my kids know the real meaning of Christmas. It was simply a comparison that you choose not to look at and try to see my point. I'm ok with that. I'm fine with your passion towards youth season. If that's your thing do it to the fullest but I don't agree. But that's ok...I doubt you change your way of doing things and I doubt I do either.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2012 11:22:53 GMT -5
Like they say, theres a butt for every seat. Looks.like your opiniin is a minority one, which is a good thing for our kids.
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Post by Woody Williams on Oct 3, 2012 11:23:58 GMT -5
One more time folks....
Get back on subject ....
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Post by jb1069 on Oct 3, 2012 11:27:36 GMT -5
dadfsr, I agree with you as I have already stated I applaud each and every mentor that takes a child under his wing and shares this sport we love. My question was then and still is Does it take a youth season to do this? Does it make it easier? I dont think it does.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2012 11:45:15 GMT -5
Hunter numbers across th US are up for the first time in decades. Do you think its from middle aged and old folks.or.young people.coming on board.
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