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Post by budd on Dec 14, 2020 8:50:14 GMT -5
Im glad I moved to Minnesota..LOL. Living in the Chippewa National Forest I have 666,623 acres to play on, actually 1.6 million including State,county, tax forfeited land within the National Forest.
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Post by Ahawkeye on Dec 14, 2020 9:48:30 GMT -5
Hunter xmax There is no obligation on your part to pay, but you can't expect a landowner to "extend a kindness" just so you can hunt for free if that landowner wants/needs to make money from their land. Like it or not (and I'm not a huge fan of it either), it's just the way it is today... This...^^^ It’s always interesting to read what some think are facts about leasing but they don’t lease! It’s differently not a bidding process 99% of the time.Most lease for the convenience of a location or for a better hunting experience. I understand some are making money on their land I just choose not to pay and move on to the next one. Greg, two facts that I don't "just assume" are happening: #1: People pay money for hunting rights. #2: If a land owner can get more out of someone else and if you don't have a close relationship with that land owner they will take the path of more money. Price goes up. My intent is not to manage any land for any game just take the game that is available. Could someone outbid me for my free spot on private? Yup but I won't be paying too much either . If they get a payi g hunter then so be it no skin off my back. If this trend continues (and I expect it to) the average joe will be out of the hunting business eventually.
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Post by deadeer on Dec 14, 2020 9:48:38 GMT -5
My one line in all this about not paying to hunt applies to me and my past hunting opportunities. All but one place has involved earning the trust and respect of the owner. I offer my time of labor, or skill, or just being a nice person with a phone call or visit to see if any help was needed. Just the little bit of going out of your way goes a long way. All of those has kept me hunting since I was 15yo. The other property my buddy got us from his neighbor and I have never had contact with the owner as she live out of state. He mows the grass during the summer. Maybe the days of honest work for something are over. I sure hope not. So, I am not saying I hunt for nothing, but paying a big bill is not for me.
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Post by jjas on Dec 14, 2020 9:56:50 GMT -5
My one line in all this about not paying to hunt applies to me and my past hunting opportunities. All but one place has involved earning the trust and respect of the owner. I offer my time of labor, or skill, or just being a nice person with a phone call or visit to see if any help was needed. Just the little bit of going out of your way goes a long way. All of those has kept me hunting since I was 15yo. The other property my buddy got us from his neighbor and I have never had contact with the owner as she live out of state. He mows the grass during the summer. Maybe the days of honest work for something are over. I sure hope not. So, I am not saying I hunt for nothing, but paying a big bill is not for me. I understand what you are saying and in the past, I've been able to hold onto pieces fairly well. But like it or not, the times are changing and leasing is growing by leaps and bounds for deer hunting. I have access to a 135 acre farm @ no cost right now. The lady that owns it is older and her health is starting to fail. When she passes, that farm will be sold and my hunting will be over. I know it's coming and replacing it will likely not be easy and almost certainly won't be free. It sucks, but it's just the way it works.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2020 10:00:28 GMT -5
My one line in all this about not paying to hunt applies to me and my past hunting opportunities. All but one place has involved earning the trust and respect of the owner. I offer my time of labor, or skill, or just being a nice person with a phone call or visit to see if any help was needed. Just the little bit of going out of your way goes a long way. All of those has kept me hunting since I was 15yo. The other property my buddy got us from his neighbor and I have never had contact with the owner as she live out of state. He mows the grass during the summer. Maybe the days of honest work for something are over. I sure hope not. So, I am not saying I hunt for nothing, but paying a big bill is not for me. Amen - Just the little bit of going out of your way goes a long way. Sometimes just taking that moment and helping your brothers and sisters from another mother can go a long way. You never know that new moment will produce over the years. Just like seeds thrown on the ground. So fall on rocks and nothing happens and then some seeds fall on good ground and the past moment grows into something better.
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Post by jjas on Dec 14, 2020 10:03:31 GMT -5
If you live near a city there are lots of places to hunt deer. I bet Indy has hundreds of places to hunt. Drive out the out skirts of the town-city and find where there are large home lots of 3-15 acres. Private drive homes. Most of those owners don't hunt, but aren't anti hunting people. Most never hunted and have no problem you hunting there back woods. I have 7 small properties to hunt that range from 2-17 acres. All lots are walking or short 20 minute car ride. Just picked up a place this year just talking to a guy that I never met as I helped him load his truck outside Lowes. I had some wood and he asked what I was building and I said bee hives. That started it. Found out his father was a beekeeper and we talked for 20 minutes. Somehow we got on coons, yotes and hunting and 10 minutes later he offered his business place to hunt. I said I might. I called later that day and said thanks and will stop by sometime this spring. So I haven't walked it yet, but the location is very good spot. I believe the next world record buck will come out of someone's backyard. I turned down a very good spot last year so a young man could hunt the 15 acres. That's where the new 3rd beehive apiary is located. I'm letting another beekeeper use the 2nd apiary property and share it. This property is too close to my main home apiary to do splits. I won't get into details, but needs to be 3 miles away and it's only a mile away. Just like hunting you sometimes need to find land for bees. I've played the subdivision game before and it's not too bad getting permission, but then you have to deal with kids, dogs, and neighbors who don't like hunters. The other thing people don't think about is recovering a deer. If the deer runs onto a neighbors property and dies (and they don't like hunting), you've got a problem. I had one of the neighbors call the cops on me for being back there with a bow. I had others kick on their leave blowers, lawn mowers, etc. In other words, it became more trouble to me than it was ever worth.
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Post by greghopper on Dec 14, 2020 10:13:38 GMT -5
This...^^^ It’s always interesting to read what some think are facts about leasing but they don’t lease! It’s differently not a bidding process 99% of the time.Most lease for the convenience of a location or for a better hunting experience. I understand some are making money on their land I just choose not to pay and move on to the next one. Greg, two facts that I don't "just assume" are happening: #1: People pay money for hunting rights. #2: If a land owner can get more out of someone else and if you don't have a close relationship with that land owner they will take the path of more money. Price goes up. If this trend continues (and I expect it to) the average joe will be out of the hunting business eventually. If you have a multi year lease on paper you won’t loose your spot because someone offers more(maybe at end of contact you may) just because someone offers doesn’t mean the land owner automatically goes with him! Loyalty still matters to some.FACT The average joe can always hunt public land his decision!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2020 10:23:27 GMT -5
If you live near a city there are lots of places to hunt deer. I bet Indy has hundreds of places to hunt. Drive out the out skirts of the town-city and find where there are large home lots of 3-15 acres. Private drive homes. Most of those owners don't hunt, but aren't anti hunting people. Most never hunted and have no problem you hunting there back woods. I have 7 small properties to hunt that range from 2-17 acres. All lots are walking or short 20 minute car ride. Just picked up a place this year just talking to a guy that I never met as I helped him load his truck outside Lowes. I had some wood and he asked what I was building and I said bee hives. That started it. Found out his father was a beekeeper and we talked for 20 minutes. Somehow we got on coons, yotes and hunting and 10 minutes later he offered his business place to hunt. I said I might. I called later that day and said thanks and will stop by sometime this spring. So I haven't walked it yet, but the location is very good spot. I believe the next world record buck will come out of someone's backyard. I turned down a very good spot last year so a young man could hunt the 15 acres. That's where the new 3rd beehive apiary is located. I'm letting another beekeeper use the 2nd apiary property and share it. This property is too close to my main home apiary to do splits. I won't get into details, but needs to be 3 miles away and it's only a mile away. Just like hunting you sometimes need to find land for bees. I've played the subdivision game before and it's not too bad getting permission, but then you have to deal with kids, dogs, and neighbors who don't like hunters. The other thing people don't think about is recovering a deer. If the deer runs onto a neighbors property and dies (and they don't like hunting), you've got a problem. I had one of the neighbors call the cops on me for being back there with a bow. I had others kick on their leave blowers, lawn mowers, etc. In other words, it became more trouble to me than it was ever worth. Yes, it has it's challenges, but most times it's good. I had the police called once and the caller got a warning not to call again. Threaten a $500 fine for false call. You have to be very careful on the shot placement and the direction the deer should run after shoot. The deer are a lot more nocturnal and there are more issues that you mentioned, but it's not high dollar leasing and you are hunting. Some tactics you through out and you have to make your own tactics. One of my goals is taking a 200 buck on a 2-5 acre lot. My 3 acre lot if all possible. I guess I'm used to all the neighborhood issue and actually enjoy this hunting more than hunting a 100 acres plot. I've learned 100 folds more about hunting these small lots more than to large plots.
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Post by Ahawkeye on Dec 14, 2020 10:28:50 GMT -5
I understand some are making money on their land I just choose not to pay and move on to the next one. Greg, two facts that I don't "just assume" are happening: #1: People pay money for hunting rights. #2: If a land owner can get more out of someone else and if you don't have a close relationship with that land owner they will take the path of more money. Price goes up. If this trend continues (and I expect it to) the average joe will be out of the hunting business eventually. If you have a multi year lease on paper you won’t loose your spot because someone offers more(maybe at end of contact you may) just because someone offers doesn’t mean the land owner automatically goes with him! Loyalty still matters to some.FACT The average joe can always hunt public land his decision! Very true but in the scenario you just explained eventually the price goes up. I hunt mostly public people who used to lease rarely show up. I talk to guys at work that just won't hunt public. They choose not to hunt. Their loss.
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Post by greghopper on Dec 14, 2020 10:39:34 GMT -5
Yes it can.... doesn’t always mean it will!
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Post by Ahawkeye on Dec 14, 2020 10:50:17 GMT -5
Ok
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Post by parrothead on Dec 14, 2020 11:26:47 GMT -5
I pay 865 for my turkey membership in Alabama. I get use of camp house. It is 2,500 acres and I have to to my self most days. 2 older guys hunt it in mornings till 8 them go eat breakfast. I got to know them well, you cant drive trucks on roads and the one guys lets me use his 4 wheeler every year down there. I take him and his wife out to dinner each year.
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Post by greghopper on Dec 14, 2020 11:51:38 GMT -5
I pay 865 for my turkey membership in Alabama. I get use of camp house. It is 2,500 acres and I have to to my self most days. 2 older guys hunt it in mornings till 8 them go eat breakfast. I got to know them well, you cant drive trucks on roads and the one guys lets me use his 4 wheeler every year down there. I take him and his wife out to dinner each year. Have you ever felt like you was going to loose your lease to someone with more money? Guessing your loyalty means something to land owner
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Post by parrothead on Dec 14, 2020 12:06:11 GMT -5
A paper company owns the land Bedel Paper, I beleive they are out of Washington State. . It is for sale right now for 4. 75 million I believe. They up the price about 3% every 3-5 years. We pay or someone else does. They dont care who. Almost all the clubs down there are paper company land
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Post by jjas on Dec 14, 2020 12:19:44 GMT -5
It's funny that people say they will never pay for a deer lease when in the end, if it comes down to not hunting or paying, most of us would pay.
It all reminds me of people saying they would never pay for cable, or satellite radio, or cell phones, or internet service, and on and on and on.
And then they do.
Never is a very long time...
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Post by Ahawkeye on Dec 14, 2020 13:09:10 GMT -5
It's funny that people say they will never pay for a deer lease when in the end, if it comes down to not hunting or paying, most of us would pay. It all reminds me of people saying they would never pay for cable, or satellite radio, or cell phones, or internet service, and on and on and on. And then they do. Never is a very long time... True but 44 years isn't a blink of an eye either. I will not pay to hunt deer. I paid for a put and take a few years up at Glendale FWA so I can't say I've never paid EVER but I think that's a bit different.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2020 13:23:43 GMT -5
I do pay a little bit every year. I buy an Ohio hunting license and either sex deer tag. Around $40 dollars. Not needed hunting on my place, but do for the other lots. That's all I will pay. I did once pay around $325 in 1986 for the Indiana lifetime license. That was a lot back then.
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Post by treetop on Dec 14, 2020 13:29:12 GMT -5
The place I hunted out west was a private farm we paid 300 for lopes and 500 for mules it came with a place to shower a barn to hang deer and butcher and a lot of good times We did tons of work for the owner on top of that price I felt for two weeks out of the year it was worth it and I’d still be paying it gladly had his son not took over Honestly very few people have the time or money to go out west and find deer elk 2 or 3 times before they go hunting I had a guy living there that told me every thing I needed to know It really depends on how you look at it tons of free ground out west but I had 7 miles x 11 miles and I only shared it with the guys that went with me
People pay 3 or 4 times that to rent a condominium or lake cottage for vacation go to Disney land if you think hunting is expensive
Around me you could nock on a 100 doors and not find ground lots of small family farms they almost all hunt have kids or friends hunting on their land Do I like it no not at all but you just can’t blame land owners for this we did it to ourselves but I love hunting and if that what it takes I’ll probably be in line hopefully it never comes to that
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Post by jjas on Dec 14, 2020 13:48:19 GMT -5
It's funny that people say they will never pay for a deer lease when in the end, if it comes down to not hunting or paying, most of us would pay. It all reminds me of people saying they would never pay for cable, or satellite radio, or cell phones, or internet service, and on and on and on. And then they do. Never is a very long time... True but 44 years isn't a blink of an eye either. I will not pay to hunt deer. I paid for a put and take a few years up at Glendale FWA so I can't say I've never paid EVER but I think that's a bit different. Like I said....never is a very long time. Good luck with that.
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Post by Ahawkeye on Dec 14, 2020 13:54:27 GMT -5
Thanks but as far as deer go I think I'll win that bet.
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