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Post by beermaker on Dec 13, 2020 16:38:10 GMT -5
Our oldest (13) daughter has taken an interest in hunting and wants to start going after deer. By the way, she absolutely loves to fish and is very good at it. Anyway, I have nowhere within practical distance to take her so I figured that a lease would be money well spent. I checked out the website for a local lasing agent. He is an unpleasant (insert what you are thinking that I would really like to say) individual that I have had trouble with in the past. He hosed me out of a renewal a few years ago and I am confident it was because he found someone willing to pay more. However, he is the biggest player in the game around here and I don't see any other option right now.
He has created some new requirements for leasing from him. One is $150 membership fee and the other is mandatory $215 insurance policy. So, that's $365 on top of the leasing cost. In my opinion, the membership fee is just greed and the insurance is not necessary. In the past, I have simply signed a waiver of liability. Am I being unreasonable to think this is all a bunch of malarky?
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Post by M4Madness on Dec 13, 2020 17:07:56 GMT -5
Probably the same leasing agent that operates near me. I was just goofing around last night and looked at the lease page. There is a farm not 2 miles from me that is listed, and it says you have to buy a membership to get driving directions and the right to inspect the lease. I literally laughed out loud, because I've known the landowner for 30+ years and have hunted all of their farms in the past, including this one. I don't need to pay them jack crap to inspect the property. LOL! And for the record, it is NOT worth the $1900 lease rate.
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Post by deadeer on Dec 13, 2020 17:17:45 GMT -5
My hunting days will be over the day I have to pay like that. Geez.
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Post by blackmouthcur on Dec 13, 2020 17:28:19 GMT -5
To me , the whole point of deer hunting is to be outdoors with family and friends and a cheap way to put meat in the freezer. When the day comes that I need a lease to hunt, I’ll just walk away from the sport altogether. I believe in the next ten years or so the pendulum is gonna swing the other way.
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Post by M4Madness on Dec 13, 2020 17:31:43 GMT -5
My hunting days will be over the day I have to pay like that. Geez. I've never paid a nickel to hunt anywhere, and used to have around 2000 acres at my disposal. I lost close to 600 around ten years ago, and lost another 350 that I had sole permission on three years ago. My best ground for bigger bucks was probably only 40 acres, but a neighbor turned it into a recreational area for locals to 4-wheel on, and they now drive within 20 yards of my "lucky" tree, so I gave that up. I have 100 wooded acres behind my home that I had sole permission on for 17 years. Now everyone and their brother is crammed in there, so I quit going back there. I'm down to 250 acres across the road that I've hunted alone for 14 years, and now have to share with one likeable young man as of this year. The property was hit by a tornado, and the subsequent logging two years ago really made it a mess. I'm either going to put some real effort into improving it, or I'm going to split a local lease with a friend. I'm not going to pay more than $1000 for my share, and it'd have to be within 30 minutes of home, so I doubt I'll be leasing anything. I've always relied on knocking on doors, so I guess I'll be reluctantly doing that soon.
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Post by Woody Williams on Dec 13, 2020 17:37:39 GMT -5
So what price (per acre) does a decent lease go for these days?
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Post by M4Madness on Dec 13, 2020 17:45:53 GMT -5
So what price (per acre) does a decent lease go for these days? The waste of a lease near me is $13.57/acre. And 90% of it is open pasture.
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Post by jjas on Dec 13, 2020 18:00:05 GMT -5
So what price (per acre) does a decent lease go for these days? The waste of a lease near me is $13.57/acre. And 90% of it is open pasture. How many acres is the lease (if you don't mind saying).
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Post by M4Madness on Dec 13, 2020 18:15:41 GMT -5
The waste of a lease near me is $13.57/acre. And 90% of it is open pasture. How many acres is the lease (if you don't mind saying). 140
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2020 18:18:19 GMT -5
Is it Base Camp leasing?
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Post by Ahawkeye on Dec 13, 2020 18:42:11 GMT -5
500,000 acres of ground at my disposal. I have to share but I've got a couple spots that produce. Paid about $500 almost 20 years ago.
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Post by duff on Dec 13, 2020 18:48:51 GMT -5
If you have time and willing to ask you can cut out the middle man and the markup they take for putting a list for ease of shopping. I lucked into that with a buddy. He did all the work and took a lot of time but he got on some great property and leased 1. My share is $100 for 12 months. There are 2 other guys on the lease. It is 60 acres that butt up to state forest that is essentially landlocked giving this spot 300 more acres.
We may find the prices insane but people are buying them so can't blame them for asking for them.
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Post by M4Madness on Dec 13, 2020 19:02:33 GMT -5
If you have time and willing to ask you can cut out the middle man and the markup they take for putting a list for ease of shopping. I have thought about doing this with the landowner I was referring to. I'm just not sure that they would remove the property I'm interested in from the lease program. This landowner trusts me 100% and wouldn't be concerned about liability issues, but did tell me that their only reason for enrolling their various farms into the program was because they didn't want to deal with the public at large and the possible liabilities. They "pay" the leasing agent to deal with any issues that arise. I've hunted pretty much every one of their farms in the leasing program prior to them being leased, and I can honestly state that none of them are worth the price, with the possible exception of maybe one that I feel has promise. The rest are $1-2000 per hunter for the harvesting of does and perhaps a 120-130" buck.
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Post by esshup on Dec 13, 2020 19:08:39 GMT -5
If you have time and willing to ask you can cut out the middle man and the markup they take for putting a list for ease of shopping. I have thought about doing this with the landowner I was referring to. I'm just not sure that they would remove the property I'm interested in from the lease program. This landowner trusts me 100% and wouldn't be concerned about liability issues, but did tell me that their only reason for enrolling their various farms into the program was because they didn't want to deal with the public at large and the possible liabilities. They "pay" the leasing agent to deal with any issues that arise. I've hunted pretty much every one of their farms in the leasing program prior to them being leased, and I can honestly state that none of them are worth the price, with the possible exception of maybe one that I feel has promise. The rest are $1-2000 per hunter for the harvesting of does and perhaps a 120-130" buck. I'd go talk to the landowner. You don't have anything to lose. He knows you, and your ethics. If the place is good, and you feel it's worth the price, I'd pay him if he'd take it out of the leasing agent program. Lock it up for a long term lease, and see if you can do any improvements such as food plots, etc.
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Post by beermaker on Dec 13, 2020 19:09:02 GMT -5
No, but Base Camp does have a membership program as well. I don't think that it is mandatory. As far as giving up hunting all together if I have to pay to hint, I'd rather spend a few dollars to enjoy the outdoors with my daughter. I've done the math and made the statement many times. I will NEVER be able to pay off 100 +/- acres for what I could lease it for the rest of my hunting life. If I paid $2k/year for the next 30 years that would be $60k. Find me 100 acres of decent hunting ground for anywhere near $60k and I will buy it on the spot.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2020 19:15:36 GMT -5
Our oldest (13) daughter has taken an interest in hunting and wants to start going after deer. By the way, she absolutely loves to fish and is very good at it. Anyway, I have nowhere within practical distance to take her so I figured that a lease would be money well spent. I checked out the website for a local lasing agent. He is an unpleasant (insert what you are thinking that I would really like to say) individual that I have had trouble with in the past. He hosed me out of a renewal a few years ago and I am confident it was because he found someone willing to pay more. However, he is the biggest player in the game around here and I don't see any other option right now. He has created some new requirements for leasing from him. One is $150 membership fee and the other is mandatory $215 insurance policy. So, that's $365 on top of the leasing cost. In my opinion, the membership fee is just greed and the insurance is not necessary. In the past, I have simply signed a waiver of liability. Am I being unreasonable to think this is all a bunch of malarky? Everyone has to do what they`re comfortable with, and I get that one may make allowances that would otherwise go against their better judgment when trying to get something going for a child, but...That old expression comes to mind: "lie with dogs, and you`ll get fleas" comes to mind, since you said he`s not a very savory fellow...
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Post by greghopper on Dec 13, 2020 19:20:04 GMT -5
I have thought about doing this with the landowner I was referring to. I'm just not sure that they would remove the property I'm interested in from the lease program. This landowner trusts me 100% and wouldn't be concerned about liability issues, but did tell me that their only reason for enrolling their various farms into the program was because they didn't want to deal with the public at large and the possible liabilities. They "pay" the leasing agent to deal with any issues that arise. I've hunted pretty much every one of their farms in the leasing program prior to them being leased, and I can honestly state that none of them are worth the price, with the possible exception of maybe one that I feel has promise. The rest are $1-2000 per hunter for the harvesting of does and perhaps a 120-130" buck. I'd go talk to the landowner. You don't have anything to lose. He knows you, and your ethics. If the place is good, and you feel it's worth the price, I'd pay him if he'd take it out of the leasing agent program. Lock it up for a long term lease, and see if you can do any improvements such as food plots, etc. I am sure someone will have to pay the agent his fee because a contract is in place or it wouldn’t be listed on their site. But yes it maybe doable but probably not without a fee!
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Post by esshup on Dec 13, 2020 19:20:37 GMT -5
No, but Base Camp does have a membership program as well. I don't think that it is mandatory. As far as giving up hunting all together if I have to pay to hint, I'd rather spend a few dollars to enjoy the outdoors with my daughter. I've done the math and made the statement many times. I will NEVER be able to pay off 100 +/- acres for what I could lease it for the rest of my hunting life. If I paid $2k/year for the next 30 years that would be $60k. Find me 100 acres of decent hunting ground for anywhere near $60k and I will buy it on the spot. I know a guy that bought 100 acres of great river bottom property that is absolutely perfect for deer hunting for $80K this year. Deer trails in it are just mud they have so many deer walking on them.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2020 19:21:24 GMT -5
My hunting days will be over the day I have to pay like that. Geez. My hunting days are numbered since I lost access to the 2 little farms I had hunted for 25 plus years, and like you, I`ll be done hunting anyway if I have to pay to hunt. I love deer hunting, it`s not just in my blood, it`s in my heart and soul and my very DNA, but...I just wouldn`t pay to hunt, couldn`t do it even if I could afford the leasing fees. Some things are meant to be free and shouldn`t be tainted by money changing hands, in my humble opinion.
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Post by duff on Dec 13, 2020 19:25:09 GMT -5
If you have time and willing to ask you can cut out the middle man and the markup they take for putting a list for ease of shopping. I have thought about doing this with the landowner I was referring to. I'm just not sure that they would remove the property I'm interested in from the lease program. This landowner trusts me 100% and wouldn't be concerned about liability issues, but did tell me that their only reason for enrolling their various farms into the program was because they didn't want to deal with the public at large and the possible liabilities. They "pay" the leasing agent to deal with any issues that arise. I've hunted pretty much every one of their farms in the leasing program prior to them being leased, and I can honestly state that none of them are worth the price, with the possible exception of maybe one that I feel has promise. The rest are $1-2000 per hunter for the harvesting of does and perhaps a 120-130" buck. I would ask them. I know the land owners are not getting the price paid by the hunters. It is a convenince charge to bring customers to sellers. Those agents have to eat too! Not sure what kind of contract the landowners have with the agents but I don't see a place where they would rather deal with an agent over a long time friend. If you need a local guy to help out let me know!
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