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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2020 20:19:07 GMT -5
You and I would never share a hunting camp or anything else my friend. Say what? I am heartbroken. Suck it up buttercup, you`ll recover. Surely I can`t be the first to reject you.
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Post by greghopper on Dec 13, 2020 20:19:26 GMT -5
My vacation is hunting season. I take 3 weeks off in November I get a week off in December. If you want to pay to hunt that's up to you, just not my cup of tea. Yeah... sounds like the OP hasn’t got many options! To each his own.... IMO
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Post by Ahawkeye on Dec 13, 2020 20:23:33 GMT -5
My vacation is hunting season. I take 3 weeks off in November I get a week off in December. If you want to pay to hunt that's up to you, just not my cup of tea. Yeah... sounds like the OP hasn’t got many options! To each his own.... IMO The OP should tell the leasing company to shove it. The conversation moved from the original statement and question. I just added to the conversation. Put down your keyboard grenade launcher.
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Post by duff on Dec 13, 2020 20:26:04 GMT -5
Say what? I am heartbroken. Suck it up buttercup, you`ll recover. Surely I can`t be the first to reject you. Lol I am good.
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Post by M4Madness on Dec 13, 2020 20:28:17 GMT -5
I just spoke with the landowner. They have no idea on their end when leases expire or renew, so no way for me to get advance notice of the property I "might" be interested in being available.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2020 20:29:44 GMT -5
Suck it up buttercup, you`ll recover. Surely I can`t be the first to reject you. Lol I am good. Whew...that`s good. I`ll sleep better now...Lol.
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Post by greghopper on Dec 13, 2020 20:31:22 GMT -5
You can loose your FREE hunting spot just as easy as the guy can that’s paying.... maybe easier in most cases. I've not lost a free public spot yet, come to think of it I've not lost a permission spot either. Yep.., and there’s a whole bunch of Paying stiffs saying the same thing about their paying spots
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Post by Ahawkeye on Dec 13, 2020 20:32:57 GMT -5
I've not lost a free public spot yet, come to think of it I've not lost a permission spot either. Yep.., and there’s a whole bunch of Paying stiffs saying the same thing! Good for them.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2020 20:33:44 GMT -5
Yep.., and there’s a whole bunch of Paying stiffs saying the same thing! Good for them. Don`t let yourself be goaded man...
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Post by Ahawkeye on Dec 13, 2020 20:41:12 GMT -5
Don`t let yourself be goaded man... Not sure who you're saying is being goaded but I'm good. Just enjoying some conversation, a whiskey and coke, and the football game.
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Post by duff on Dec 13, 2020 20:45:29 GMT -5
I just spoke with the landowner. They have no idea on their end when leases expire or renew, so no way for me to get advance notice of the property I "might" be interested in being available. At least they know now. Maybe lead to your path back into their land.
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Post by Woody Williams on Dec 13, 2020 21:45:00 GMT -5
Fellers we are getting way too personal..
Cool it please...
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Post by firstwd on Dec 13, 2020 22:31:21 GMT -5
I just spoke with the landowner. They have no idea on their end when leases expire or renew, so no way for me to get advance notice of the property I "might" be interested in being available. To me, that itself makes me think the leasing company is crooked.
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Post by esshup on Dec 13, 2020 23:53:20 GMT -5
My hunting days will be over the day I have to pay like that. Geez. My hunting days are numbered since I lost access to the 2 little farms I had hunted for 25 plus years, and like you, I`ll be done hunting anyway if I have to pay to hunt. I love deer hunting, it`s not just in my blood, it`s in my heart and soul and my very DNA, but...I just wouldn`t pay to hunt, couldn`t do it even if I could afford the leasing fees. Some things are meant to be free and shouldn`t be tainted by money changing hands, in my humble opinion. Hunting IS free on the public grounds. Private ground where the landowner is paying the taxes and possibly paying out of his/her pocket for habitat improvement, food plots, etc., then either a lease or helping to take care of the property (i.e. free labor) is only fair. Would you have a stranger come into your house and use the house for "X" number of days of the year for free?
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Post by Ahawkeye on Dec 14, 2020 0:36:24 GMT -5
My hunting days are numbered since I lost access to the 2 little farms I had hunted for 25 plus years, and like you, I`ll be done hunting anyway if I have to pay to hunt. I love deer hunting, it`s not just in my blood, it`s in my heart and soul and my very DNA, but...I just wouldn`t pay to hunt, couldn`t do it even if I could afford the leasing fees. Some things are meant to be free and shouldn`t be tainted by money changing hands, in my humble opinion. Hunting IS free on the public grounds. Private ground where the landowner is paying the taxes and possibly paying out of his/her pocket for habitat improvement, food plots, etc., then either a lease or helping to take care of the property (i.e. free labor) is only fair. Would you have a stranger come into your house and use the house for "X" number of days of the year for free? Your point is valid but if an owner is making money on said property ie crops or timber and extends a kindness to someone, why am I obligated to pay. Sure, I'll drop off a thank you and a gift card or offer to help clean up a barn being brought down. But the paying for hunting rights in my mind is killing the sport. If you pay $50 an acre there will be someone willing to pay $75. And the price will go up and up. It already does go up and up, it will not stop until we stop paying for it. In (at least parts if not all of) Canada it is illegal to pay a land owner to hunt on their ground. Now I realize what country we live in, our sport will die when costs out pace the common man. This post by the OP is another example of such out pacing. We are not talking about laying up on someone's couch or even usung their bathroom here, we are talking about a time honored tradition that is being threatened by greed and lust for bigger antlers. Again, if leasing is your thing then that's your prerogative, as for me I just can't bring myself to pay to hunt.
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Post by span870 on Dec 14, 2020 5:05:01 GMT -5
Couple things. Not going to go back through the whole thread to quote but...
Whoever said, "I never payed for love", is confused. Oh you payed for it. Maybe not by the hourly rate but you payed. Been with mine for idk 18,20,30 years, don't really remember anymore and lord have I payed. I tell my father-in-law all the time that I swear she is going to put me in the poor house $5 at a time. Redoing the house now, complete gut job. Pretty sure be cheaper to light a match and rebuild. Love her to death, don't get me wrong but yeah buddy, you pay for love.
Leasing. If your sole purpose is to have a property that you can somewhat control and make improvements, maybe a place a bit closer. Not too bad an idea. I don't get the, "no where to hunt". Thousands and thousands of acres free to hunt. This notion that public is over run with hunters is ridiculous. I have several small parcels I hunt that never seen another hunter. One I was a bit bummed this year because I seen one person on it one day but haven't seen him since. I run my dogs on several other properties and haven't seen one person ever. I turn guys onto these properties for deer all the time that need places to hunt as long as they sign a lengthy notorized contract to not shoot any of my rabbits. One I put a buddy on has killed numerous deer over the years, and a couple of really nice bucks. Shoot all the deer you want, could care less. Get a bit of enjoyment out of helping guys find spots that need one and they call me and are successful. Could give two rodents behinds about shooting a deer, usually just hunt them a few days to say I was out and to see what other excuses I can come up with not to kill one. For some reason it's a bit of a hobby of mine to find deer hunting spots that have zero pressure so I can never hunt them. Usually it's in the process of looking for places to chase rabbits that again, I'll never hunt. All I guess I'm saying is that there is plenty of land out there for free to hunt that you'll have an enjoyable hunt without all the craziness that people think goes on public ground. I live in the absolute center on the HNF and it amazes me the places I drive by during deer season that never see a truck tire.
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Post by duff on Dec 14, 2020 7:39:05 GMT -5
Couple things. Not going to go back through the whole thread to quote but... Whoever said, "I never payed for love", is confused. Oh you payed for it. Maybe not by the hourly rate but you payed. Been with mine for idk 18,20,30 years, don't really remember anymore and lord have I payed. I tell my father-in-law all the time that I swear she is going to put me in the poor house $5 at a time. Redoing the house now, complete gut job. Pretty sure be cheaper to light a match and rebuild. Love her to death, don't get me wrong but yeah buddy, you pay for love. Leasing. If your sole purpose is to have a property that you can somewhat control and make improvements, maybe a place a bit closer. Not too bad an idea. I don't get the, "no where to hunt". Thousands and thousands of acres free to hunt. This notion that public is over run with hunters is ridiculous. I have several small parcels I hunt that never seen another hunter. One I was a bit bummed this year because I seen one person on it one day but haven't seen him since. I run my dogs on several other properties and haven't seen one person ever. I turn guys onto these properties for deer all the time that need places to hunt as long as they sign a lengthy notorized contract to not shoot any of my rabbits. One I put a buddy on has killed numerous deer over the years, and a couple of really nice bucks. Shoot all the deer you want, could care less. Get a bit of enjoyment out of helping guys find spots that need one and they call me and are successful. Could give two rodents behinds about shooting a deer, usually just hunt them a few days to say I was out and to see what other excuses I can come up with not to kill one. For some reason it's a bit of a hobby of mine to find deer hunting spots that have zero pressure so I can never hunt them. Usually it's in the process of looking for places to chase rabbits that again, I'll never hunt. All I guess I'm saying is that there is plenty of land out there for free to hunt that you'll have an enjoyable hunt without all the craziness that people think goes on public ground. I live in the absolute center on the HNF and it amazes me the places I drive by during deer season that never see a truck tire. That's a lot of words for a beagler
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Post by jjas on Dec 14, 2020 7:53:39 GMT -5
Hunter xmax
There is no obligation on your part to pay, but you can't expect a landowner to "extend a kindness" just so you can hunt for free if that landowner wants/needs to make money from their land.
Like it or not (and I'm not a huge fan of it either), it's just the way it is today...
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Post by greghopper on Dec 14, 2020 8:19:59 GMT -5
Hunter xmax There is no obligation on your part to pay, but you can't expect a landowner to "extend a kindness" just so you can hunt for free if that landowner wants/needs to make money from their land. Like it or not (and I'm not a huge fan of it either), it's just the way it is today... This...^^^ It’s always interesting to read what some think are facts about leasing but they don’t lease! It’s differently not a bidding process 99% of the time.Most lease for the convenience of a location or for a better hunting experience.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2020 8:40:24 GMT -5
If you live near a city there are lots of places to hunt deer. I bet Indy has hundreds of places to hunt. Drive out the out skirts of the town-city and find where there are large home lots of 3-15 acres. Private drive homes. Most of those owners don't hunt, but aren't anti hunting people. Most never hunted and have no problem you hunting there back woods. I have 7 small properties to hunt that range from 2-17 acres. All lots are walking or short 20 minute car ride. Just picked up a place this year just talking to a guy that I never met as I helped him load his truck outside Lowes. I had some wood and he asked what I was building and I said bee hives. That started it. Found out his father was a beekeeper and we talked for 20 minutes. Somehow we got on coons, yotes and hunting and 10 minutes later he offered his business place to hunt. I said I might. I called later that day and said thanks and will stop by sometime this spring. So I haven't walked it yet, but the location is very good spot. I believe the next world record buck will come out of someone's backyard. I turned down a very good spot last year so a young man could hunt the 15 acres. That's where the new 3rd beehive apiary is located. I'm letting another beekeeper use the 2nd apiary property and share it. This property is too close to my main home apiary to do splits. I won't get into details, but needs to be 3 miles away and it's only a mile away. Just like hunting you sometimes need to find land for bees.
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