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Post by birddog on Dec 4, 2006 8:34:40 GMT -5
Make it one archery buck, one gun buck, and no doe permits if you want to see what made deer hunting good in this state.
Now someone knows what he's talkng about!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by budfields on Dec 4, 2006 9:01:43 GMT -5
I was out there hunting deer YEARS before they came up with the OBR and hopefully, I will be out there hunting deer years AFTER they abolish the OBR...
I am NOT really obsessed with antlers. Sure, like ANY hunter, I like to harvest a dream buck but that is NOT the main reason for me being out there sitting in a treestand.
If a nice buck comes bye and is within my shooting range.. FINE IF not, a nice, fat doe will look really good in my freezer.
I am considering starting a "special interest" group that is more concerned with filling the freezer instead of the wall and ego. Maybe "we" can gather some support and get hunting back to FUN again.. Maybe we can re-structurenthe license system to give "discounts" prices to antler less deer hunters and let the TROPHY NUNTER pay out the "you know what" for a special "GODZILLA" mhunting license. That way the DNR can still make strides in their financial standards and leave us "little guys" alone.
Bud
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Post by racktracker on Dec 4, 2006 9:34:29 GMT -5
I was out there hunting deer YEARS before they came up with the OBR and hopefully, I will be out there hunting deer years AFTER they abolish the OBR... I am NOT really obsessed with antlers. Sure, like ANY hunter, I like to harvest a dream buck but that is NOT the main reason for me being out there sitting in a treestand. If a nice buck comes bye and is within my shooting range.. FINE IF not, a nice, fat doe will look really good in my freezer. I am considering starting a "special interest" group that is more concerned with filling the freezer instead of the wall and ego. Maybe "we" can gather some support and get hunting back to FUN again.. Maybe we can re-structurenthe license system to give "discounts" prices to antler less deer hunters and let the TROPHY NUNTER pay out the "you know what" for a special "GODZILLA" mhunting license. That way the DNR can still make strides in their financial standards and leave us "little guys" alone. Bud I'm with you Bud. That organization sounds fine to me. The DNR seems to listen to these special interest, low membership groups that say they represent all the deer hunters in Indiana when they've got a hundred or so members. And not all of those agree, so the "leaders" end up telling the DNR what the group wants. That is what we need an organization for REAL deer hunters and not for trophy hunter wannabees that think restricting others is their ticket to more bone on the heads of their deer. The Hunting Indiana Deer Hunters Association......sounds good to me.
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Post by dec on Dec 4, 2006 11:19:10 GMT -5
I am considering starting a "special interest" group that is more concerned with filling the freezer instead of the wall and ego. Maybe "we" can gather some support and get hunting back to FUN again.. Maybe we can re-structurenthe license system to give "discounts" prices to antler less deer hunters and let the TROPHY NUNTER pay out the "you know what" for a special "GODZILLA" mhunting license. That way the DNR can still make strides in their financial standards and leave us "little guys" alone. Bud Funny how you paint all of us antler junkies into the same picture. Boy we are an evil bunch, . Gee, lets see. I usually put 3 to 4 does a year in the freezer (for me and friends who need meat). I have an absolute BLAST deer hunting from Oct. 1 until the absolute last minute of the last season. I pass up 40 to 50 different bucks each year. I hold out for one truly mature big racked freak daddy of a buck and I generally eat my tag seeing how in 20 years I've killed 6 bucks. 6 bucks to stroke my "ego", and in that time probably 50 to 60 does. Yet how many basket racks a year does it take some to stroke their "egos"? Same old same old tired Quality vs. Quantity arguement. Hunting is only fun if you make it fun. For me it is an absolute BLAST. But thanks for pinning me and 90% of the other antler junkies just like me into your narrow minded picture. 1BR, 2BR, or 20BR, I don't see how hunting could not be a blast. Truly sad, truly sad.
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Post by Old Ironsights on Dec 4, 2006 11:30:29 GMT -5
I keep telling people that really, the OBR would be a complete non-issue to me if the first tag you buy was an "any deer" tag. Seems like a simple solution. It would let the meat hunter shoot the first sizable deer that walked into range while allowing the antler hunter wait until the right rack showed up. As it is, I have to buy a buck tag AND an antlerless tag if I want to shoot a Doe. Somthing's wrong there.
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Post by budfields on Dec 4, 2006 12:27:32 GMT -5
MY APOLOGIES TO EVERYONE..
I wish to apologize to everyone on this forum for the contents of my previous posting. I was in NO WAY trying to be offensive. I was NOT trying to paint any pictures or classify people by their beliefs.
I am NOT an avocate of the OBR but I respect EVERYONE'S opinion and their right to that opinion... Deer hunting has ALWAYS been a blast for me and hopefully, it always will be.
I hereby surrender my membership to this GREAT website and I will NOT make anymore posts in the forum.
Bud
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Post by Woody Williams on Dec 4, 2006 12:39:20 GMT -5
MY APOLOGIES TO EVERYONE.. I wish to apologize to everyone on this forum for the contents of my previous posting. I was in NO WAY trying to be offensive. I was NOT trying to paint any pictures or classify people by their beliefs. I am NOT an avocate of the OBR but I respect EVERYONE'S opinion and their right to that opinion... Deer hunting has ALWAYS been a blast for me and hopefully, it always will be. I hereby surrender my membership to this GREAT website and I will NOT make anymore posts in the forum. Bud NO,NO,NO!!None of that stuff. You have nothing to apologize for. There ARE people out there just like what you described. Besides this new organization sounds interesting.. Stick around Bud.. things could get interesting.. .
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Post by hunter7x on Dec 4, 2006 12:56:59 GMT -5
What is that about Bud ? No need to go away.......
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Post by swilk on Dec 4, 2006 13:22:01 GMT -5
Heck, as long as we are making suggestions to a "new" system that are never going to happen ...... how about we give away antlerless tags to every hunter. You have to fill that antlerless tag before you are allowed to purchase an additional tag. Additional tags are priced accordingly; additional antlerless tags are $15.00 and antlered deer tags are $50.00. All deer tags are good for any weapon.
Meat hunters are happy because they can kill the first "meat" deer for free. DNR is happy because if everyone followed the rules harvest numbers would hold steady if not increase. Deer buck/doe balance would greatly improve. Trophy hunters are still allowed to buy a buck tag but are required to pay a premium to do so.
Even if the total number of antlered tags purchased was cut in a half the number of button bucks killed because of the major increase in antlerless tags would more than offset.
I love it.
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Post by racktracker on Dec 4, 2006 13:41:07 GMT -5
UH-UH, Bud.
No you don't.
You've got too much knowledge to hush just because one person took offense at what you said.
My idea is.....
$15 for ALL antlerless tags.
$50 for the first buck tag and $100 for the second. Bow and gun again.
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Post by semisneak on Dec 4, 2006 13:58:38 GMT -5
I am considering starting a "special interest" group that is more concerned with filling the freezer instead of the wall and ego. Maybe "we" can gather some support and get hunting back to FUN again.. Maybe we can re-structurenthe license system to give "discounts" prices to antler less deer hunters and let the TROPHY NUNTER pay out the "you know what" for a special "GODZILLA" mhunting license. That way the DNR can still make strides in their financial standards and leave us "little guys" alone. Bud Funny how you paint all of us antler junkies into the same picture. Boy we are an evil bunch, . Gee, lets see. I usually put 3 to 4 does a year in the freezer (for me and friends who need meat). I have an absolute BLAST deer hunting from Oct. 1 until the absolute last minute of the last season. I pass up 40 to 50 different bucks each year. I hold out for one truly mature big racked freak daddy of a buck and I generally eat my tag seeing how in 20 years I've killed 6 bucks. 6 bucks to stroke my "ego", and in that time probably 50 to 60 does. Yet how many basket racks a year does it take some to stroke their "egos"? Same old same old tired Quality vs. Quantity arguement. Hunting is only fun if you make it fun. For me it is an absolute BLAST. But thanks for pinning me and 90% of the other antler junkies just like me into your narrow minded picture. 1BR, 2BR, or 20BR, I don't see how hunting could not be a blast. Truly sad, truly sad. Dec , I dont see how buds post whizzed you off so bad. You read alot more into his post then what I did. After killing 6 bucks in 20 years of hunting I can see why your for the welfare buck program. I hope the obr helps your odds in the next five years. Good day.
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Post by dec on Dec 4, 2006 14:03:34 GMT -5
It is not so much that I was offended. I just get sick of this anti-trophy hunter crap. I was trying to make a point and it looks like I did. I have no hard feelings about Bud's comments. His post was just another in a long line of them on here (and other sites) that lumps antler junkies such as myself into a group of bad guys. Seems the general consensus is that if you are pro-OBR, then you are either an antler only hunter or anti-hunting traditions. My point in my post was that the vast majority of the pro-OBR guys, such as myself, are no different than any of you. I and my pro-OBR side, simply love to hunt. We love to hunt does and we love to hunt bucks. Believe it or not, some pro-obr guys I know are just as happy to take a single basket rack as they are a mature wall mounter.
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Post by dec on Dec 4, 2006 14:10:34 GMT -5
After killing 6 bucks in 20 years of hunting I can see why your for the welfare buck program. I hope the obr helps your odds in the next five years. Good day. Semisneak, FYI, I pass up more (different) bucks in one season then most guys see in 5 or 6 seasons. I pass up many bucks that many guys would throw on the wall. I've shot 6 bucks in my life because that is what I chose to shoot. I have two small racks from my first couple years of hunting that I am very proud of because of what they represented to me at that time in my young hunting career. The others are mature deer that meet my trophy standards at the time I killed them. This year, I've passed up two deer larger then any I've ever killed for reasons all my own (one over 140" and the other easily over 150"). I simply don't struggle to get on bucks. I struggle in my mind to find a buck that I don't picture bigger next year. So there is no buck welfare program for this hunter. Odds are always in my favor where I hunt. But thanks for your concern.
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Post by mbogo on Dec 4, 2006 14:35:08 GMT -5
If you all simply loved to hunt, we would not have the OBR in the first place. It seems to me, people that simply love to hunt, simply go out and hunt, not spend time lobbying for rule changes to make it easier to kill a bigger set of antlers. Everything you do is motivated by the goal of bigger antlers and that you think you are high and mighty because that strikes me as very ironic.
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Post by dec on Dec 4, 2006 14:44:38 GMT -5
That is funny, because I don't think you've ever meet me mbogo. Yet, you go and generalize me just like the others. "high and mighty" ... that is funny stuff right there. If I was simply "motivated by the goal of bigger antlers" then why do I get such a rush out of being on stand and having 5 to 6 bucks that I don't want to shoot in bow range? I get an absolute thrill out of watching those bucks even though I have no desire to put my tag on any of them. They might be forkies, they might be a 130" 8 pointer. I get more thrill out of watching them then tagging them. But because I elect to pass them up, I'm the bad guy? Funny stuff right there. Funny stuff. THAT'S why I hunt! To be close to deer, observe them, take it all in, and in the rare occasion shoot one. That is why I hunt, but then you knew that didn't you mbogo, since you obviously know me so well.
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Post by birddog on Dec 4, 2006 14:58:12 GMT -5
PERSONALLY...I have been deer hunting since 1964,probably killed more deer than most of you guys not all but most and I could give a rats a@@ about this OBR stuff.Deer hunting is just what you make it,if you don't do your home work,go out and LOOK for the bucks which are there year after year it's most likely you'll never get one of the big boys...period!!!!
Just last Sunday evening I had 6...that's 6 bucks in front of me at one time,one 6 pt.,4 ,8 pointers and one nice 10 point..did I take a shot as I could have taken any one of them..no...because I was not looking for a buck of their size but a larger one that I know is there....they are out there guys you've just got to do your homework to take one..... So why all this stuff about the OBR anyhow...I think it's a waste of time to even discuss it here....DOWN WITH THE OBR!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by swilk on Dec 4, 2006 15:05:34 GMT -5
lol.
at least mbogo is good for a laugh.
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Post by dearbornx on Dec 4, 2006 19:41:32 GMT -5
OBR
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Post by Hoosier Hunter on Dec 4, 2006 21:25:39 GMT -5
Sheesh. it's amazing on how these OBR threads go on and on. We're all bickering amoungst ourselves over something we all love to do. We should really be worried about protecting our hunting rights and use this effort there. Looks like a lot of wasted effort complaining about something that's here 5 more years It doesn't matter if we're OBR or NON-OBR. From this point on 1/2 the group is going to complain on how we should or shouldn't be. I moved from here a state that if seen a couple deer for the ENTIRE season that was successful. OBR or NO OBR, I think the deer hunting here is excellent anyway you have it. We just shouldn't be to greedy.
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Post by ridgerunner on Dec 4, 2006 21:39:02 GMT -5
Thats you....! Problem is we have some who can't pass anything up, you know " it's brown , it's down"....In one breath you say I had six bucks in front of me at one time.... and I chose not to shoot becuase I'm holding out for a bigger one.....and then you say in the next sentence Down with the OBR....Which is it? OBR is trying to teach hunters to be more selective and pass on the samller bucks and hold out for Bigger ones.....Isn't that what you're doing? Thats works for you , you obviously have the self dicipline to regulate yourself....Not everyone can't regulate theirselves and look at the bigger picture, down the road, the future of hunting.
This "if it's brown, it's down attitude is exactly why we need the OBR. Get used to it it's gonna be here at least another 5 years...and hopefully permanetly...I Love OBR and will support it from now on ,and 70% of Indiana deer hunter agree with OBR...You're the minority.
I'd like to do a survey county by county of who the guys are who do, and don't, support OBR.. I'd venture to say most who Oppose OBR are Urbanites....That would be an interesting study???Maybe I'll start a new Thread? LONG LIVE OBR!!!
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