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Post by dec on Dec 7, 2006 7:21:26 GMT -5
Great post Ridgerunner.
Guess I must be one of those "lazy incompetent hunters". Around 300 hours on stand a year. Running trial cameras from July to March. Constantly adjusting set ups. Constantly glassing at all times of the year to see what I've got on my farms. Passing up ridiculous numbers of bucks each year. Harvesting a few does per year.
Yep, sounds like I'm lazy and incompetent! ;D
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Post by Decatur on Dec 7, 2006 7:35:13 GMT -5
Swilk said: I passed up 1 130 class buck because he was only 2.5 years old.
How do you guys know a deer is 1.5 or 2.5 years old by looking at them on the hoof?
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Post by greghopper on Dec 7, 2006 8:01:37 GMT -5
Swilk said: I passed up 1 130 class buck because he was only 2.5 years old. How do you guys know a deer is 1.5 or 2.5 years old by looking at them on the hoof? The same way the DNR ages the Herd and Counts them....EYES Its works Don't it
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Post by dec on Dec 7, 2006 8:06:21 GMT -5
Decatur - Time in the stand and studying very closely deer all year long. It is not 100% accurate, but it is not that hard to learn to judge the majority of them right. I put my buddy on a good buck for the gun opener. I'd passed this 120" 8 pointer up a couple times with the bow. I was 99% confident he was a 3.5 year old buck by his body posture and the bases of his beams. When my buddy shot him, I again was confident he was 3.5 years old. When we checked him in, the one and only time in all the years doing this, a DNR official was there and aged the deer. Guess what .............. 3.5 years old. ;D Most of the time, I'd say I can judge a a 2.5 from a 3.5 from 4.5 or older very accurately. Even my kids can tell a 1.5 from a 2.5. Older then 4.5 and I don't care, it'll probably get shot by me if the presentation is right.
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Post by Decatur on Dec 7, 2006 8:16:46 GMT -5
Dec, thanks for a non-smart a** answer. I appreciate it. Some people aren't capable of providing any kind of worth while replies to honest questions. I wish those kind of people, the kind that only stir the pot, and contribute nothing of value would just leave this forum. It's no wonder that there are "lurkers", that don't join in.
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Post by birddog on Dec 7, 2006 8:49:12 GMT -5
OBR makes a hunter think " man I can only shoot one deer a year, I really don't want to waste a tag on this small buck", The OBR made you think that? To me that's common sense!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Personally I wouldn't shoot a small buck,say 120-130...eat the tag and wait is what I say you do.Right now I still have a muzzleloader tag that I didn't use..why...because I didn't see a buck that would make it the effort to pull the trigger...sure I saw several bucks that scored 120-130,actually had 5 in front of me at one time that size and only watched them feed but why shoot one so small..there is always next year for me!!!!! Where does it say on the tag that it must be used? ??
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Post by swilk on Dec 7, 2006 9:36:51 GMT -5
It is fairly reliable to field age deer from 1.5 - 2.5 and 3.5. Older than 3.5 and they kind of start to blur together.
Brisket, overall body length, belly shape, posture, length of snout. All telltale signs of age.
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Post by mbogo on Dec 7, 2006 11:22:44 GMT -5
Yet again the OBR only forces the minority to be more selective, the minority that was already more selective in the first place. It doesn't force the majority to do anything, in fact it simply provides them with more targets.
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Post by mbogo on Dec 7, 2006 11:26:33 GMT -5
Really??? Couldn't you have hunted a specific buck (or two) before the OBR?
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Post by swilk on Dec 7, 2006 11:59:16 GMT -5
mbogo:
Yep. I could and I did.
If you will reread my statement I didnt put "Since the OBR,Deerhunting to me isnt about killing a deer. It is about hunting for a specific buck and killing a few does for meat and management"
If you need further clarification just let me know.
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Post by swilk on Dec 7, 2006 12:06:35 GMT -5
Dec, thanks for a non-smart a** answer. I appreciate it. Some people aren't capable of providing any kind of worth while replies to honest questions. I wish those kind of people, the kind that only stir the pot, and contribute nothing of value would just leave this forum. It's no wonder that there are "lurkers", that don't join in. The saddest things is ..... some of the people who post smart a$$ comments are actually site moderators. I give mostly because I get. I know two wrongs dont make a right and I sincerely apologize to any innocent I may offend.
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Post by mbogo on Dec 7, 2006 12:20:09 GMT -5
Yep. I could and I did. If you will reread my statement I didnt put " Since the OBR,Deerhunting to me isnt about killing a deer. It is about hunting for a specific buck and killing a few does for meat and management" If you need further clarification just let me know. IF all you wanted to do is hunt a specific deer AND you could do that prior to the OBR, then why is keeping the OBR so vitally important to you, hmm?
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Post by greghopper on Dec 7, 2006 12:24:22 GMT -5
Dec, thanks for a non-smart a** answer. I appreciate it. Some people aren't capable of providing any kind of worth while replies to honest questions. I wish those kind of people, the kind that only stir the pot, and contribute nothing of value would just leave this forum. It's no wonder that there are "lurkers", that don't join in. If you dont ask that kind of Questions...You don't get that kind of answer Keep it NICE...
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Post by chicobrownbear on Dec 7, 2006 12:40:28 GMT -5
Dec, thanks for a non-smart a** answer. I appreciate it. Some people aren't capable of providing any kind of worth while replies to honest questions. I wish those kind of people, the kind that only stir the pot, and contribute nothing of value would just leave this forum. It's no wonder that there are "lurkers", that don't join in. The saddest things is ..... some of the people who post smart a$$ comments are actually site moderators. I give mostly because I get. I know two wrongs dont make a right and I sincerely apologize to any innocent I may offend. I suppose thats a shot at me since I named my deer team intelligent donkey and have a general attitude of irreverence.
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Post by mbogo on Dec 7, 2006 12:49:04 GMT -5
No, the truly sad thing is that some people are so accustomed to sites where only one opinion on a subject is allowed that they not only expect everyone to agree with them but also expect us to censor those that don't.
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Post by swilk on Dec 7, 2006 12:56:51 GMT -5
Keeping the OBR isnt so "vitally important to me". I like the rule and if/when I am asked that is what I will say. I personally think it has improved the quality of hunting in Indiana. That is my opinion and nothing anyone says is likely to change it.
But I have said it before numerous times. I dont care what anyone else hunts/shoots or how they do it. As long as it is within the IDR regs have at it.
Chicobrownbear .... that was not directed to you at all. I was actually directing my comment to mbogo.
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Post by chicobrownbear on Dec 7, 2006 13:09:15 GMT -5
10-4.
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Post by mbogo on Dec 7, 2006 13:12:16 GMT -5
And how has it improved the quality of hunting IF all you wanted to do was hunt a specific buck AND you could do that prior to the OBR?
You have had a problem with me since you first joined this site. You can either take it up with me or one of the other moderators in a PM as per the rules or not as you wish but you are not going to be allowed to use it as an excuse to attack others.
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Post by swilk on Dec 7, 2006 13:26:15 GMT -5
I have not attacked others in the least. I have not attacked you.
I merely stated that some of the smart a$$ comments come from moderators. It is a fair and accurate statement.
You asked ..."And how has it improved the quality of hunting IF all you wanted to do was hunt a specific buck AND you could do that prior to the OBR?"
Well, the answer is simple really. The quality of deer I am seeing is increasing. More healthy, mature deer are being seen by me and my hunting partners now than at anytime in the past.
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Post by Woody Williams on Dec 7, 2006 13:29:44 GMT -5
I really hate to lock threads, but how many ways can we debate this thing for the 9,675th time?
This one lost it's luster a LONG time ago.
If you guys want to continue your "debate" take it to PM.
As of now, this one is locked down...
Thanks,
WW
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