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Post by Woody Williams on Nov 30, 2006 21:51:33 GMT -5
I think he said "hunter/poachers".. There he did... And yes if a hunter feels that he absolutely needs a second buck, he will more than likely do those types of things. Here he didn't... He is still a hunter until he decides to do that, isn't he? When he pulls the trigger or releases the string then he becomes a law breaker and a poacher.
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Post by lugnutz on Nov 30, 2006 22:14:58 GMT -5
Woody thanks for defending my comment once again........
Just to give you all some more butt too chew on....I've got a very close and personal friend that lives along the Wabash river in an old trailer up on stilts. Jesse is in his mid 70's I'd say, he doesn't have much, i don't think he even has a vehicle. Anyhow he's a VET., wife has passed on and was unable to have children. He fishes and hunts to live, and I'm more than positive that he takes his fair share of deer and plus some. He doesn't brag about it, and he doesn't hunt for horns, he uses every bit of the deer that he kills. Sure he could be considered a poacher, but i see him as a survivor!
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Post by semisneak on Dec 1, 2006 1:16:16 GMT -5
Woody thanks for defending my comment once again........ Just to give you all some more butt too chew on....I've got a very close and personal friend that lives along the Wabash river in an old trailer up on stilts. Jesse is in his mid 70's I'd say, he doesn't have much, i don't think he even has a vehicle. Anyhow he's a VET., wife has passed on and was unable to have children. He fishes and hunts to live, and I'm more than positive that he takes his fair share of deer and plus some. He doesn't brag about it, and he doesn't hunt for horns, he uses every bit of the deer that he kills. Sure he could be considered a poacher, but i see him as a survivor! Touch gloves and at the sound of the bell come out fighting...............Ding ding ding.
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Post by greghopper on Dec 2, 2006 10:34:40 GMT -5
OBR or not, if i feel the need for the second buck,,,,,,,,,,my wife can take up hunting! Maybe people like this is why we are Still Killing the same amount of Bucks with the OBR...Wife Tag Hmmmm.
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Post by greghopper on Dec 2, 2006 10:36:42 GMT -5
OBR or not, if i feel the need for the second buck,,,,,,,,,,my wife can take up hunting! A lot of them have the last 4 years.... What....
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Post by scrub-buster on Dec 2, 2006 15:00:58 GMT -5
As long as does are still made from steak and jerky, I will be a deer hunter!
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Post by lugnutz on Dec 2, 2006 18:00:39 GMT -5
OBR or not, if i feel the need for the second buck,,,,,,,,,,my wife can take up hunting! Maybe people like this is why we are Still Killing the same amount of Bucks with the OBR...Wife Tag Hmmmm. Maybe so greg, the obr had nothing to do with the buck you shot. Since we are both on agreement here, you can clearly see the obr isn't working correct? ;D
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Post by ridgerunner on Dec 2, 2006 18:16:53 GMT -5
One thing for sure is you can't legislate ethical deer hunting. Their will always be criminals who break the law. We need more Game Wardens In Indiana and the ones we have need to crack down on poachers. Our local Game Warden hunts, so during season you might as well forget getting ahold of him for anything he's hunting.
Poachers were doing the same thing when we had the 2 buck rule. OBR or not a poacher is gonna kill as many deer as thinks he needs to. It's us law abiding hunters who only shoot one buck. When the DNR writes regulations the write them with the assumption people will follow the law and if they don't then thats where our Game Wardens are supposed to do their job...and with some of them, doing their job, interupts their hunting time afield....
Writing some people a ticket and taking them to jail for DWI doesn't work either, that doesn't mean we abolish the law just because people continue to break the law. We have to enforce the law....there's the breakdown in the system.....ENFORCMENT...
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Post by whiteoak on Dec 2, 2006 20:47:39 GMT -5
Woody thanks for defending my comment once again........ Just to give you all some more butt too chew on....I've got a very close and personal friend that lives along the Wabash river in an old trailer up on stilts. Jesse is in his mid 70's I'd say, he doesn't have much, i don't think he even has a vehicle. Anyhow he's a VET., wife has passed on and was unable to have children. He fishes and hunts to live, and I'm more than positive that he takes his fair share of deer and plus some. He doesn't brag about it, and he doesn't hunt for horns, he uses every bit of the deer that he kills. Sure he could be considered a poacher, but i see him as a survivor! A mans got to eat. I see it as he's taking full advantage of hunters against the hungry. Not everybody can run down to Burger King and buy a Whopper. As for him being a Vet. he should not be required to even pay for a license. If it wasn't for all the Vets that did what they did through out the course of time, we wouldn't probably even have a deer season, let alone a weapon to hunt them with. It's a shame that he has to do this living in the USA.
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Post by ridgerunner on Dec 3, 2006 0:11:49 GMT -5
He doesn't, there's a program, like you said. Hunters and Farmers for the Hungry, they'd glady give this guy all the meat he can eat if he can't get out and hunt. If he can, he can shoot plenty of deer legally to feed him year around. I usually put 2 or 3 deer in the freezer a year and thats plenty for my family of 5. We don't eat deer every meal, but we eat it quite a bit and I usually have some left over from the year before....With all the bonus deer tags no reason why anyone should have to break the law to put meat on the table...Not to mention he can shoot rabbit, quail, pheasant,squirrel,turkey and fish with the proper license etc....
I agree though if a guy is a Vet. he shouldn't have to buy tags, but he should still have to obey State Bag limits on deer.
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Post by cambygsp on Dec 3, 2006 7:54:27 GMT -5
When I was picking up my deer at Knightstown Locker there was a fella and his wife in there checking in a buck deer. The wife said she shot the deer that morning (last Sunday). It was a 2.5 y/o 8 point.
What raised my eyes was the fact that the husband was wearing his camo and she was dressed to the hilt including make-up!
I don't beleive for a minute that she shot that deer or even went deer hunting that morning. When we were pulling away my son aked "why don't we buy mom a der tag?"...I responded that "mom don't deer hunt.....the rule is one buck and we are gonna follow those rules!"
We talked all the way home about wildlife laws and how it is based on the honor system.
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Post by Woody Williams on Dec 3, 2006 7:59:57 GMT -5
Financial status and/or prior military service should not be the determining factor whether we obey laws or not.
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Post by ridgerunner on Dec 3, 2006 11:31:02 GMT -5
I agree Woody. What I'm say is the State should make it so our Vets. aren't required to buy a license a way of honoring our Vets..
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Post by Woody Williams on Dec 3, 2006 13:57:37 GMT -5
I agree Woody. What I'm say is the State should make it so our Vets. aren't required to buy a license a way of honoring our Vets.. I agree with you too..
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Post by swilk on Dec 3, 2006 17:54:11 GMT -5
Financial status and/or prior military service should not be the determining factor whether we obey laws or not. Under certain circumstances I would disagree with that. I know you cant choose both sides of the fence when it comes to ethics, laws and accountability .... but if a man needed the meat to feed his family I am OK with it. Not want .... need.
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Post by whiteoak on Dec 3, 2006 21:58:58 GMT -5
I doubt that there's anybody who post on this board has ever felt true hunger pains, including me, but if the situation would arise my family would eat. We are at the top of the food chain, laws or not. I see it as no different than any predator surviving. I have never had the need to be a law breaker to survive, but like I said if the situation would arise I would fulfill my role in the chain. The way these last four days of season went, I would be hard pressed to fulfill that role, it's been tough. Thank God for Burger King ;D
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Post by whiteoak on Dec 3, 2006 23:26:11 GMT -5
Financial status and/or prior military service should not be the determining factor whether we obey laws or not. Should having your kids go to bed hungry be?
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Post by jackryan on Dec 4, 2006 4:40:09 GMT -5
I probably wouldn't even fool with it.
I could have shot three does with out getting dressed this morning if I wanted to whack the last three does and bambis left in this square mile of HNF.
Make it one archery buck, one gun buck, and no doe permits if you want to see what made deer hunting good in this state. Keep going the way it is and you'll get exactly what some of the QDM suckers are begging for, quotas and shorter season.
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Post by semisneak on Dec 4, 2006 7:12:43 GMT -5
I think things have changed alot in the last 15 or twenty years. As a child I remember eating everything my dad brought home. There wasnt trophys it was food. We ate a 7.5 and 8.0 pound bass for supper one time. That would be unthinkable now days. Pride will keep alot of people from going to get food stamps and free food from places. Maybe some people should have more pride. I feel real bad the state didnt get there money for the deer that guy shot but it would be a total last resort for my family before I stood in a food line. I thank God I have never been in this position.
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Post by Woody Williams on Dec 4, 2006 8:16:21 GMT -5
I think things have changed alot in the last 15 or twenty years. ..... Now THAT is an understatement. You are 110% correct semisneak in that hunting and deer hunting in particular has changed big time. Once it was hunting to just get a deer. Now if that deer doesn't meet someone else's expectations we get derided for shooting it.
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