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Post by psychobubba on Nov 29, 2006 9:26:02 GMT -5
( NBR ) no buck rule for 5 years ?
how many would still be out there in the trees , ground blind or just sitting on a stump ?
I will ! I am a meat hunter i put meat in the freezer!
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Post by LawrenceCoBowhunter on Nov 29, 2006 9:46:17 GMT -5
Well,I do have a brother who lives in Kentucky and some cousins in Illinois,I would go there if that was the case,would be really stupid to since we have so many bucks here,but it would be better than sitting out..
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Post by dec on Nov 29, 2006 9:48:12 GMT -5
I answered you over there, so I'll answer the same here.
I'm and antler junkie through and through. I love OBR.
I'd be a little bummed with a no buck rule, not that it would matter because many years I go without filling a buck tag waiting on that one buck that I'm after. But to answer you question ... I'd be out there hunting just as much as ever. I love to hunt, antlers or not. I get a charge out of having even small bucks pass under the stand and thinking "buddy this was your lucky day". I get a charge of having a doe in bow range. I get a charge out of just watching deer.
So yes ... yes I would be out there.
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Post by dbd870 on Nov 29, 2006 10:08:32 GMT -5
I have no strong opinion about the OBR; I'd go out, the freezer is still there to fill. I want what's best for the overall herd, whatever that means.
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Post by hountzmj on Nov 29, 2006 10:18:35 GMT -5
I would be out there. I'm not a fanatic supporter of the OBR but I don't think it is the root of all evils either.
I am a meat hunter. During my season (it's over for me now due to work travel) I only saw 1 buck. A small 4 pt. I let him walk. I would have no problem do it again. Under a 2BR i would let him walk as well.
--hountzmj
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Post by semisneak on Nov 29, 2006 10:19:40 GMT -5
I answered you over there, so I'll answer the same here. I'm and antler junkie through and through. I love OBR. I'd be a little bummed with a no buck rule, not that it would matter because many years I go without filling a buck tag waiting on that one buck that I'm after. But to answer you question ... I'd be out there hunting just as much as ever. I love to hunt, antlers or not. I get a charge out of having even small bucks pass under the stand and thinking "buddy this was your lucky day". I get a charge of having a doe in bow range. I get a charge out of just watching deer. So yes ... yes I would be out there. Dec, What numbers or stats are looking at to support the obr so much ? The dnr said it did not make a difference. I dont get what you people are seeing. Did you see a couple nice bucks in your woods so you think its working ? Please show me the numbers. My point is why stick with this for five more years when its not working when we could possibly try something else that might work. Ten years will have gone by and we will still be sittin in the same position. I look at all the arguments or debates on here and you obr guys dont have any statistical evidence its working. SHOW ME THE MONEY.
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Post by dec on Nov 29, 2006 10:39:54 GMT -5
Semisneak, I've argued and argued the pro-OBR stance until my fingers have bled over here. I've argued the numbers, the statistics, the graphs, I've offended some, I've made enemies, I've pizzed people off. You know, it just simply isn't worth arguing anymore. If you want my views, numbers, etc. go back and search the July and August time frame on here. I'm done debating because people on this site don't want to hear it. It is a no win argument for either side. If I go into again, I just further alienate myself on this site, as here and only here, I'm clearly in the minority. Must be the same for the ethics of hunting I'm now finding out too.
There is hardly a single thread on this deer forum anymore that someone can't resist throwing in the OBR debate. It is truly sad.
I know a ton of hunters. Locally, regionally, members of wild life groups, members of various forums, ect. And still this site is the ONLY place where I've seen so much anti-OBR rhetoric. We all have our opinions on various hunting topics and that is cool, so I'm just going to leave it at that.
If you doubt my passion for hunting, then push a no buck rule through. I GUARANTEE I'll be out there in the deer woods in excess of 300 hours a season, just like always. Where will the rest be?
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Post by swilk on Nov 29, 2006 10:56:47 GMT -5
I would defenitly still go. Take my bow and camera .... shoot arrows at a few does and shoot pictures at a few bucks.
And I agree 100% with dec. I have noticed more anti-OBR bias on this site than all others combined.
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Post by racktracker on Nov 29, 2006 11:24:15 GMT -5
Gentlemen,
What do I believe?
I believe what Dr. Jim Mitchell (our hired and paid for Indiana deer biologist) said about the OBR.
"It made no significant difference".
PERIOD..
To me that SHOULD be the end of story.
Now you can slice it, dice it, and cut it any which way you want but the deer biology is on the anti-OBR side.
Your side is "That's the way we want it". Well, you got it and drug us along with it.
I've seen some of the "other sites" and believe me if an any anti-OBR person posted anything they get slammed and slammed hard. Personal attacks galore.
Maybe this is a safe haven for someone that doesn't believe that the OBR hung the moon. Maybe here a deer hunter that is opposed to the OBR can speak his piece without getting slammed constantly.
Birds of feather do flock together, don't they?
Would I hunt if there were a No Buck Rule?
Yes, I would.
In fact I did that the last 5 seasons AFTER I killed my one buck.
The One Buck Rule became a No Buck Rule after I killed one.
Begrudgingly, but I did hunt deer.
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Post by Woody Williams on Nov 29, 2006 11:50:47 GMT -5
Fellers, I've got two words to say on this OBR stuff. IT'S OVER..The NRC has preliminarily adopted the IDNR proposal of 5 more years of the OBR (at least). In February they will finalize that proposal. It's done... it's over...It does absolutely no good to rehash and rehash this over and over and over again here. If you have a comment, either way, please make it known at the NRC site. huntingindiana.proboards52.com/index.cgi?board=deerhunting&action=display&thread=1164671556.
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Post by cleetus on Nov 29, 2006 12:12:28 GMT -5
I agree, doesn't matter to me one way or another. What ever is best for the sport and deer herd is fine by me. I put two in the freezer with my bow and waiting on another one with my gun (talking deer in general here, no buck yet).
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Post by 10point on Nov 29, 2006 12:40:04 GMT -5
I would still be out there. Does are easier to drag anyways.
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Post by semisneak on Nov 29, 2006 12:56:41 GMT -5
Fellers, I've got two words to say on this OBR stuff. IT'S OVER..The NRC has preliminarily adopted the IDNR proposal of 5 more years of the OBR (at least). In February they will finalize that proposal. If its done and over then why send comments ? It's done... it's over...It does absolutely no good to rehash and rehash this over and over and over again here. If you have a comment, either way, please make it known at the NRC site. huntingindiana.proboards52.com/index.cgi?board=deerhunting&action=display&thread=1164671556. If its done and over then why send comments ?? I guess I misunderstood your send your comments in thread. I thought there was still a chance. Sorry for the confusion.
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Post by Ahawkeye on Nov 29, 2006 13:00:55 GMT -5
I love obr and Woody I hope your wrong (no offince). Semi-sneak, I love your arial, that's awsome! I would be out there just the same hunting the does and slobering over the bucks especially after the first 3 years. From what I've seen in the last 2-3 years there is no doubt in my mind that obr is what causes the influx in the bucks I see. I'm not even talking about big bucks I'm talking about all the bucks. 4 years ago I didn't lay eyes on a buck on public ground now I can probably see bucks almost every time out I'll miss it when it's gone, and so will the rest of you when it all catches up in 3-4 years. JMO
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Post by semisneak on Nov 29, 2006 13:18:08 GMT -5
Dec,
You have an opinion on the obr which is fine. You should not be alienated for that. People calling other hunters slobs and unethical for legally killing deer the way they see fit is another story. It seems some peoples horse rides a little higher then others.
Now to answer psychobubbas post I would hunt until I had enough meat for my family. Two or three does. I would probably take up duck hunting or trapping . Or go to Kentucky to deer hunt since I turkey hunt there in the spring anyway. I killed a buck and doe this year during bow season and only gun hunted two times so far. I would be more then a little bummed out with a nbr.
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Post by hunter7x on Nov 29, 2006 15:15:28 GMT -5
Fellers, I've got two words to say on this OBR stuff. IT'S OVER..The NRC has preliminarily adopted the IDNR proposal of 5 more years of the OBR (at least). In February they will finalize that proposal. It's done... it's over...It does absolutely no good to rehash and rehash this over and over and over again here. If you have a comment, either way, please make it known at the NRC site. huntingindiana.proboards52.com/index.cgi?board=deerhunting&action=display&thread=1164671556. Thank god !! The "it's over" part I mean ! And yes I would still be out there no question about it.
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Post by Woody Williams on Nov 29, 2006 15:37:15 GMT -5
I would still be out there. Does are easier to drag anyways. Nah.. they don't have handles like bucks do .
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Post by Woody Williams on Nov 29, 2006 15:38:21 GMT -5
Fellers, I've got two words to say on this OBR stuff. IT'S OVER..The NRC has preliminarily adopted the IDNR proposal of 5 more years of the OBR (at least). In February they will finalize that proposal. If its done and over then why send comments ? It's done... it's over...It does absolutely no good to rehash and rehash this over and over and over again here. If you have a comment, either way, please make it known at the NRC site. huntingindiana.proboards52.com/index.cgi?board=deerhunting&action=display&thread=1164671556If its done and over then why send comments ?? I guess I misunderstood your send your comments in thread. I thought there was still a chance. Sorry for the confusion. By all means send in your comments. I'm just saying it is a done deal..
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Post by LawrenceCoBowhunter on Nov 29, 2006 15:42:30 GMT -5
Here's part of the e-mail response I got back from them..
Your comments will be reviewed and added to the administrative file regarding adoption of this rule amendment. I am also forwarding your email to the DNR, Division of Fish and Wildlife for staff review.
I bet it doesn't get reviewd to well.. lol
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Post by danf on Nov 29, 2006 21:45:38 GMT -5
Something makes me think the OBR would be a valid management tool if the DNR would revise the license structure so that the general firearms was an either-sex tag...
There may be more bucks getting killed now than pre-OBR, but the license structure hasn't changed along with the rule.
And, yes, even if we weren't allowed ANY bucks, I'd still be out there.
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