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Post by ridgerunner on Dec 4, 2006 21:49:08 GMT -5
I'm glad to say Birddog that I've passed more deer than most guys have probably seen. If you start blasting at the first sight of brown you see in the woods, it's no wonder alot of these guys crying aren't killing nice bucks. Most of your nice bucks are the last ones to show up. These guys flinging lead at anything that moves are the same one whining about "I never see any big bucks"......
The guys that consistenly kill big bucks have a whole different approach than most hunters...Ever wonder why they kill Big Bucks consistently?? They hold out, they don't shoot the first deer they see, they pass little bucks etc. etc.etc......Basically OBR will ingrain that in Hunters and more Hunters want OBR than those who don't... Nobody ever likes change, but it's the Best thing thats happened in Indiana's deer hunting in 50 years..."The tribe has spoken"...
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Post by Old Ironsights on Dec 4, 2006 22:07:42 GMT -5
Thats you....! Problem is we have some who can't pass anything up, you know " it's brown , it's down"....In one breath you say I had six bucks in front of me at one time.... and I chose not to shoot becuase I'm holding out for a bigger one.....and then you say in the next sentence Down with the OBR....Which is it? OBR is trying to teach hunters to be more selective and pass on the samller bucks and hold out for Bigger ones.....Isn't that what you're doing? Thats works for you , you obviously have the self dicipline to regulate yourself....Not everyone can't regulate theirselves and look at the bigger picture, down the road, the future of hunting. This "if it's brown, it's down attitude is exactly why we need the OBR. Get used to it it's gonna be here at least another 5 years...and hopefully permanetly...I Love OBR and will support it from now on ,and 70% of Indiana deer hunter agree with OBR...You're the minority. I neither agree, nor disagree, with the OBR - save that I am required by law to buy a Buck AND a doe tag to get a chance at the ONE deer I'd like to shoot... As for "brown & down", you are as guilty of mischaracterization as those who disparage Antler hunters. I want a big deer. I'm certainly NOT going to blast the first thing that shows up. Admittedly, glass-aging a buck is easier than glass-aging a doe, but still if given the choice between a big doe and a small buck, I'll take the Doe. Every time. I dang-sure am no more likely to shoot a yearling doe than a yearling buck. Even "brown & down"ers can, and do, understand QDM. And Urban Hunters should have no say? SO hunting should be controlled by the Land Owners and Guides? How European. Geez man, look at what you are saying. If I had any real choice in the matter I'd be living in a cabin in the mountains of Wyoming, but because Reality intervened I'm stuck in a Chicago-ExBurb Urban Deer Zone wher less than 1% of the population hunts. I have to livein THEIR world and work to THEIR schedule, which means if I spend precious days scouting I get fewer days HUNTING. Contrairly, if I don't scout, I get to join the "Orange Army" of your reviled "brown & down"ers.. What is wrong with wanting meat? I don't care that you want antlers, so why are you so inscenced about "urban" folks who want a bit of non-GMO/biotech red meat? I see an awful lot of people who want to make it harder for "urban" folks to hunt. Guess what - they have the voting numbers and if dumb rules essentially deny them the right, it won't be long before the vote denies you the right as well. Maybe you don't want to "share" but those of us stuck in Urbania without ready access to land sure don't appreciate the attitude. Despite where we are forced by circumstance to live, we still want to, and have the Right to hunt. Meat or altlers, it doesn't matter, the right exists and we don't appreciate being dictated to by people who don't think "urban" hunters should have any say.
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Post by cambygsp on Dec 5, 2006 6:41:59 GMT -5
Public game management departments and agencies should be about creating the most possible opportunity for their customers, the hunter! NEVER should a public game management department REDUCE opportunity without a biological reason. If "it's a social issue" prevails as it has in the OBR case, then maybe the anti hunters can make hunting (in general) a social issue! Indiana's entire deer hunting structure is based on a multi buck limit, thats why you have to purchase a different tag for each weapon, the tag is only good for 16 out of 90+ possible days of hunting , yet we are hunting under a OBR. There is currently a NEED to harvest deer, harvesting doe deer (not antlerless) helps greatly. The incentive of "HUNTING" an additional buck helped get folks in the feild, when folks are in the feild, doe deer will get killed (and a few bucks). With Indiana's OBR, we need more opportunities for hunters to get afeild.....Early Muzzleloader Weekends, and crossbows in October will get these things done. With every hunter being limited to One Buck, what difference does it make if the hunter takes his one buck in October with a crossbow or muzzleloader, November with a shotgun, December with a muzzleloader? Indiana's October part of the deer season has always been restrictive....to hand held and drawn type of archery equipment......BECAUSE.....you were allowed an additional buck deer!!!!! The more opportunity a deer hunter has, the more selective they will become on their One Buck!!!!! At least they should sell a buck tag that is good for the 90+ days!!!!!
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Post by mbogo on Dec 5, 2006 6:50:02 GMT -5
That is funny, because I don't think you've ever meet me mbogo. Yet, you go and generalize me just like the others. "high and mighty" ... that is funny stuff right there. If I was simply "motivated by the goal of bigger antlers" then why do I get such a rush out of being on stand and having 5 to 6 bucks that I don't want to shoot in bow range? I get an absolute thrill out of watching those bucks even though I have no desire to put my tag on any of them. They might be forkies, they might be a 130" 8 pointer. I get more thrill out of watching them then tagging them. But because I elect to pass them up, I'm the bad guy? Funny stuff right there. Funny stuff. THAT'S why I hunt! To be close to deer, observe them, take it all in, and in the rare occasion shoot one. That is why I hunt, but then you knew that didn't you mbogo, since you obviously know me so well. No, I have never met you and frankly, I don't ever care to with the attitudes you have been spouting lately, but your posts are very revealing about the way you think. I generalized you just as you generalized others, except I did it to make a point. Since you obviously missed it, I will spell it out for you, it's like the pot calling the kettle black when you whine about being "generalized" and generalize everyone else in the SAME paragraph ("stroke their egos"). Another point you may have missed, you are not better than anyone else whether or not they want to hunt two bucks. While you may pat yourself on the back for passing up bucks, the truth is you need the OBR to limit everyone else also. Apparently you can't be satisfied passing bucks or "simply being close to deer and taking it all in" unless everyone else is limited to the standards you hold yourself to. You are not the "bad guy" because you pass up bucks. You are wrong to belittle anyone that doesn't hunt the way you do and you are wrong to try to limit everyone else, IF you are the "bad guy" then it is because you apparently feel anything is justified in the pursuit of bigger antlers.
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Post by mbogo on Dec 5, 2006 7:05:41 GMT -5
So you can't pass up bucks unless we have a rule like the OBR attempting to force everyone else to do the same?
It's all very simple, we have always had big bucks out there for those with the dedication and desire to hunt them but some, having only the desire, need rules to attempt to make it easier.
Why exactly is it that you think that everyone that makes a different choice than you about what they want out of hunting is wrong? Why is it you can't simply go out and hunt without worryint about what other hunter might be killing?
Except that the OBR changed nothing for the majority of people and everyone else has just as much right to shoot what they wish as you do.
Only the minority was affected by this change, the majority weren't so lose nothing supporting the OBR even if it doesn't work. Indeed, if the the OBR does nothing else, it at least gives firearms only hunters more targets on opening weekend.
I'd venture to say the opposite is more likely to be true.
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Post by birddog on Dec 5, 2006 8:08:20 GMT -5
I've killed big bucks for over 40 years now,both with bow and gun and I don't see any reason for the OBR.Guys deer hunting is like anything else if you want to succeed you've got to do your home work,having this OBR stuff is not the way to do it...........
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Post by semisneak on Dec 5, 2006 8:10:03 GMT -5
I'm glad to say Birddog that I've passed more deer than most guys have probably seen. If you start blasting at the first sight of brown you see in the woods, it's no wonder alot of these guys crying aren't killing nice bucks. Most of your[glow=red,2,300] nice bucks [/glow]are the last ones to show up. These guys flinging lead at anything that moves are the same one whining about "I never see any big bucks"...... The guys that [glow=red,2,300]consistenly kill big bucks [/glow]have a whole different approach than most hunters...Ever wonder why they kill Big Bucks consistently?? They hold out, they don't shoot the first deer they see, they pass[glow=red,2,300] little bucks [/glow]etc. etc.etc......Basically OBR will ingrain that in Hunters and more Hunters want OBR than those who don't... Nobody ever likes change, but it's the Best thing thats happened in Indiana's deer hunting in 50 years..."The tribe has spoken"... What size buck is acceptable to shoot ? Little bucks big bucks ............who decides ? Is 140 class big enough ? 150? Is killing 6 bucks in twenty years "consistently killing "big bucks " How is the obr teaching people not to kill " little bucks"? If someone wants to shoot a buck they shoot it. Wheres the lesson ? "Obr is not making a difference " That is a quote from the dnr. How much more do you need? Get out of your bubbles. Look beyond your backyards. 10 years of this obr will have gone by and we will still be at the same point or worse. Scrap the obr and try something that might work. If the dnr said obr is really making a big difference I would be more supportive of it because at least something would be coming out of it. As it is now people are losing opportunities and the age structure isnt changing..................thats a lose lose situation. And for all you pro deer hunters seeing more bucks in a year then most people see in a lifetime................. Come on out to Fairbanks landing next year opening day of firearms with the 199 other guys. Get a taste of reality.
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Post by pbr on Dec 5, 2006 9:10:44 GMT -5
I've killed big bucks for over 40 years now,both with bow and gun and I don't see any reason for the OBR.Guys deer hunting is like anything else if you want to succeed you've got to do your home work,having this OBR stuff is not the way to do it........... Ditto, only not quite that long. The two and even three/four buck rules was great until some peopel wanted their neighbors to quit shooting the yearlings. They couldn't convince them to practice qdm so they get the state to shut them down to one. Now it is the gun hunters still killing whatever they want to. NO CHANGE FOR THEM AT ALL. How hard is it to understand that we are killing a LOT more bucks now than we did under a two buck rulke? How are we saving yearling bucks when we are killing more of them?
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Post by swilk on Dec 5, 2006 9:24:16 GMT -5
Birddog and pbr .... I would be interested in seeing pictures of the big bucks you have killed over the years. Would it be possible for you to post a picture or two?
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Post by dec on Dec 5, 2006 10:19:00 GMT -5
Ridgerunner, somewhere we miss communicated. I am very Pro-OBR.
mbogo, sorry, you don't like me. I won't loose sleep over it, trust me. Oh, and I've never claimed to be better then anyone else. I'm just a regular Joe, just like everyone else. But label me, that is fine, I can learn to live with it.
Semisneek, just because I pass up P&Y deer on a regular basis does not in any way define what class of a deer a guy could shoot. I have never ever ever belittled a guy for shooting what I might consider a small buck. Contrary, the harvest of any buck or deer for that matter is a very personal thing. I've always said that anyone should be proud of what they shoot, whether it is a spike, a forkie, a basket rack, or a booner. The only thing I've ever said is that if a guy is going to shoot a "small" deer, then never let me hear him whine about never seeing a big deer. That I have always said. You can go back and check every post I've made in almost 2 years here or any other site I belong to. What I do contend and this is my opinion and everyone is entitled to their own, is ... there is no need for 2 bucks per year. That is my opinion, sorry if that opinion pizzes anyone off. Just so happens that by the surveys, other websites, and even the majority of guys I know in my local community, that I'm in the majority with that opinion.
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Post by mbogo on Dec 5, 2006 11:01:32 GMT -5
LOL! How is it that you seem to think everyone that disagrees with you is out to get you and yet you fail to realize that you are guilty of doing the same thing you complain about everyone else doing?
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Post by mbogo on Dec 5, 2006 11:04:12 GMT -5
Birddog and pbr .... I would be interested in seeing pictures of the big bucks you have killed over the years. Would it be possible for you to post a picture or two? Maybe you should do the same if you are going to call them out.
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Post by birddog on Dec 5, 2006 11:12:39 GMT -5
swik...........The buck I got this year with the bow is on this site......
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Post by birddog on Dec 5, 2006 11:15:18 GMT -5
I got proof of what I've got ....does he? ?Besides that I know what I've taken,when and where..that's all that matters to me!
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Post by swilk on Dec 5, 2006 11:19:28 GMT -5
Birddog and pbr .... I would be interested in seeing pictures of the big bucks you have killed over the years. Would it be possible for you to post a picture or two? Maybe you should do the same if you are going to call them out. I dont recall "calling them out". I just asked them to post a few pictures of their big bucks. (deleted to be more *nice*)
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Post by swilk on Dec 5, 2006 11:23:41 GMT -5
I got proof of what I've got ....does he? ?Besides that I know what I've taken,when and where..that's all that matters to me! Was that directed at me? I dont recall ever coming on here and telling anyone that I have been killing big bucks for 40 years. Truth be known I have only killed a few in the last 20 years or so. I have concentrated on trophy hunting for the past 6 seasons and taken 1 buck during that timeframe. He is a 144" gross scored 10 pointer with my bow last year.
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Post by swilk on Dec 5, 2006 11:27:57 GMT -5
swik...........The buck I got this year with the bow is on this site...... I found the thread but all I see is a red X.
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Post by dec on Dec 5, 2006 11:29:03 GMT -5
This has gotten way off course and way too personal. I feel partly to blame and if so, sorry.
We need to lighten up a little, myself included. This "mine's bigger then your's" thing is out of control.
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Post by birddog on Dec 5, 2006 11:34:15 GMT -5
You know..I can't figure out why I even come on this site and respond to some of this stupid stuff.I figure a guy has a right to express his views no matter if right or wrong but some of this stuff has been going on forever.
Woody..I think that in the future you should delete anything about this OBR stuff..I think it is actually turning some guys away from the common sense approach to things..I for one will not respond to it or anything about the OBR again on here...
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Post by Old Ironsights on Dec 5, 2006 11:45:54 GMT -5
This has gotten way off course and way too personal. I feel partly to blame and if so, sorry. We need to lighten up a little, myself included. This "mine's bigger then your's" thing is out of control. You're not talking about Racks are you...? ;D
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