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Post by Ahawkeye on Oct 6, 2021 13:27:34 GMT -5
In trying to find a video showing how the Prussic knot works I saw all kinds of mistakes being made. Most apparent was climbing with their hand on the knot. Two problems with that - 1) You can not have a three pointe contact with the ladder or climbing sticks at all times. That can set you up for a fall. 2) If you fall with your hand on the knot your instinct will be to hold onto the rope/knot. The knot will not tighten on the rope and down you will go. Another was using the side rails to hang onto. It is much better to climb using the ladder rungs or steps. If you slip you can hang on better to the steps/rungs than the vertical rails. What I do is put my hand under the knot while climbing up and above the knot while climbing down "pushing" the knot up or down while I climb, 3 points of contact, one step, push, repeat. Is this correct?
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Post by Ahawkeye on Oct 6, 2021 13:31:16 GMT -5
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Post by greghopper on Oct 6, 2021 13:40:40 GMT -5
So how many hunter’s used what stands? Back to the point that was already made …. This data means very little without knowing how many use each type of stand.
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Post by tine-n-spur on Oct 6, 2021 13:43:13 GMT -5
What I do is put my hand under the knot while climbing up and above the knot while climbing down "pushing" the knot up or down while I climb, 3 points of contact, one step, push, repeat. Is this correct?
Sounds right to me at least that’s what I do.
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Post by Mack Apiary Bees on Oct 6, 2021 14:00:01 GMT -5
What I do is put my hand under the knot while climbing up and above the knot while climbing down "pushing" the knot up or down while I climb, 3 points of contact, one step, push, repeat. Is this correct? Sounds right to me at least that’s what I do. Yes, Always two hands and one foot or two feet and one hand. So two feet and one hand and push with other hand, then put two hands on and step up or down per one foot at a time.
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Post by Woody Williams on Oct 6, 2021 14:34:35 GMT -5
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Post by firstwd on Oct 6, 2021 14:46:34 GMT -5
I think the only thing we can get is Tri-pod are the safest then Ladder Stands and Hang-on and Climbers are not near as safe. No info on the newer saddle approach. It appears some manufactured equipment is not safe either. Buy quality equipment from know manufacturers and check their track record. Use the listed safety equipment mentioned. Bummer that there isn't better data and statistics. Tripods may have the least accidents but they are by far the least used. As for "quality" of stands or gall restraint devices, absolutely every single one that has the TMA sticker on it passes all safety standard tests. "Cheap" or otherwise viewed products are like comparing a Ford to a BMW. They will both get you from point A to point B safely bit one is just way more stylish and buys more advertising time. BTW... the HSS vest system has the same webbing sewn into the vest that comes "free" with treestands. Oh! And the treestand manufacturers started putting those free harnesses in the box because too many people weren't smart enough to buy one and their products were getting a bad wrap because of all the injuries. The TMA developed the requirement and all member manufacturers must comply to remain members.
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Post by HuntMeister on Oct 6, 2021 14:51:52 GMT -5
In trying to find a video showing how the Prussic knot works I saw all kinds of mistakes being made. Most apparent was climbing with their hand on the knot. Two problems with that - 1) You can not have a three pointe contact with the ladder or climbing sticks at all times. That can set you up for a fall. 2) If you fall with your hand on the knot your instinct will be to hold onto the rope/knot. The knot will not tighten on the rope and down you will go. Another was using the side rails to hang onto. It is much better to climb using the ladder rungs or steps. If you slip you can hang on better to the steps/rungs than the vertical rails. What I do is put my hand under the knot while climbing up and above the knot while climbing down "pushing" the knot up or down while I climb, 3 points of contact, one step, push, repeat. Is this correct? IMHO, no that is incorrect. While climbing down if you have your hand above the prusik and you slip, you stand a very good chance of pulling the knot down with you. Having your hand below the knot at all times would be the best practice.
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Post by HuntMeister on Oct 6, 2021 15:06:44 GMT -5
I think we should quit focusing on what stand type is more accident prone. Hunting from trees is a risky pursuit and all treestands should be treated the same when it comes to safety.
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Post by tynimiller on Oct 6, 2021 15:08:53 GMT -5
What I do is put my hand under the knot while climbing up and above the knot while climbing down "pushing" the knot up or down while I climb, 3 points of contact, one step, push, repeat. Is this correct? IMHO, no that is incorrect. While climbing down if you have your hand above the prusik and you slip, you stand a very good chance of pulling the knot down with you. Having your hand below the knot at all times would be the best practice. 100%. Only way you wouldn't cause a free fall is if your tether pulls on the knot before your arm length is reached. Do not slide hand along the rope above the knot while descending.
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Post by whitetaildave24 on Oct 6, 2021 16:06:39 GMT -5
IMHO, no that is incorrect. While climbing down if you have your hand above the prusik and you slip, you stand a very good chance of pulling the knot down with you. Having your hand below the knot at all times would be the best practice. 100%. Only way you wouldn't cause a free fall is if your tether pulls on the knot before your arm length is reached. Do not slide hand along the rope above the knot while descending. So then how do you move the knot down? Your hand has to be on it to move it, so basically if you fall while moving the knot you’re just outta luck.
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Post by greghopper on Oct 6, 2021 16:31:45 GMT -5
I agree with Dave…. Maybe someone can post a video to reference how to move the knot without touching it!
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Post by mattdville16 on Oct 6, 2021 16:33:57 GMT -5
I’ve got one and absolutely love it!! Best thing I’ve used to date. I’m also next to a fence row it helps if you tie the bottom tight so the rope slides easier when climbing.
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Post by jjas on Oct 6, 2021 16:47:51 GMT -5
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Post by greghopper on Oct 6, 2021 17:10:34 GMT -5
That’s the exact system I have and that's how I slide it also. Side note if you get that type of system get the one with reflective ropes.Makes finding you stand in the darkness very easy with a shine of light!
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Post by medic22 on Oct 6, 2021 17:29:00 GMT -5
Actually it’s a Prussic knot It is a friction knot that will slide up or down by hand but if pressure is put on the knot where you attach to it will not move. m.youtube.com/watch?v=O88Z_ZPbQgoO.K. So the treestand breaks and you are hanging by the prussic knot. How do you get yourself down to the ground? Wrap the linemans belt around the tree and ensure you're stable, let some slack out of the lifeline and work yourself down till it's tight, repeat till on the ground.
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Post by tynimiller on Oct 6, 2021 17:56:56 GMT -5
100%. Only way you wouldn't cause a free fall is if your tether pulls on the knot before your arm length is reached. Do not slide hand along the rope above the knot while descending. So then how do you move the knot down? Your hand has to be on it to move it, so basically if you fall while moving the knot you’re just outta luck. My feet don’t move and left hand holds stick/ladder. I then move the knot and before continuing descend right hand goes back to sticks/ladder. That way only briefly do I run risk of clenching and falling because I push knot or squeeze as I fall making the knot not hold.
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Post by HuntMeister on Oct 6, 2021 17:58:59 GMT -5
100%. Only way you wouldn't cause a free fall is if your tether pulls on the knot before your arm length is reached. Do not slide hand along the rope above the knot while descending. So then how do you move the knot down? Your hand has to be on it to move it, so basically if you fall while moving the knot you’re just outta luck. Yes you have to put your hand on the knot to move it but that should be the only time your hand is on or above the knot. Take a step or two up or down, then while stationary, grab ahold of the knot and move it then remove your hand from the knot and take another step or two up or down. If you don't make a conscious effort to keep your hand off the knot, there is a good chance that during a slip and fall the last thing you will be thinking about is where your hand is.
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Post by greghopper on Oct 6, 2021 18:45:15 GMT -5
Yeah…. You don’t want to continuously hold the rope/knot while going up or down for sure…. Sorta thought that was a no brainer!
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Post by HuntMeister on Oct 6, 2021 18:52:23 GMT -5
Yeah…. You don’t want to continuously hold the rope/knot while going up or down for sure…. Sorta thought that was a no brainer! definitely not a no brainer...
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