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Post by genesis273 on Oct 5, 2021 21:44:11 GMT -5
The hunter safety system lifeline.
So, I know it keeps me tied to the tree. I know as I ascend up the tree, I pull the knot up with me. It pulls rather easily. So, my question is this, what keeps it from just letting slide on down in the event of a fall? I tried to find a demo of one "in action" but, either I wasn't asking Google the right questions or, there's no video.
Please pardon my ignorance but, feel free to give an answer.
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Post by greghopper on Oct 5, 2021 21:48:48 GMT -5
Goggle “pursuit knot”….. that will help
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Post by duff on Oct 5, 2021 21:58:08 GMT -5
Goggle “pursuit knot”….. that will help Exactly
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Post by genesis273 on Oct 5, 2021 22:03:09 GMT -5
Thanks fellas.
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Post by Woody Williams on Oct 5, 2021 22:10:38 GMT -5
Actually it’s a Prussic knot It is a friction knot that will slide up or down by hand but if pressure is put on the knot where you attach to it will not move. m.youtube.com/watch?v=O88Z_ZPbQgo
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Post by genesis273 on Oct 5, 2021 22:13:03 GMT -5
Now I can see it. Thanks again. I have a hard time visualizing such things. At least watching him tie it gave me the understanding I was looking for. Thanks again. youtu.be/kTCXJylfHbc
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Post by esshup on Oct 5, 2021 23:41:15 GMT -5
Actually it’s a Prussic knot It is a friction knot that will slide up or down by hand but if pressure is put on the knot where you attach to it will not move. m.youtube.com/watch?v=O88Z_ZPbQgoO.K. So the treestand breaks and you are hanging by the prussic knot. How do you get yourself down to the ground?
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Post by firstwd on Oct 6, 2021 4:20:51 GMT -5
Actually it’s a Prussic knot It is a friction knot that will slide up or down by hand but if pressure is put on the knot where you attach to it will not move. m.youtube.com/watch?v=O88Z_ZPbQgoO.K. So the treestand breaks and you are hanging by the prussic knot. How do you get yourself down to the ground? Unless you are in a ladder stand, the steps you got up with. For most people, the fire department will bring a ladder with them to get you down. If you move the knot above you as you climb or have it properly placed above you as you are in your stand, the fall should only be a few inches. With that said, self recovery with the tension of a full body harness is difficult for most people.
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Post by span870 on Oct 6, 2021 5:53:45 GMT -5
Actually it’s a Prussic knot It is a friction knot that will slide up or down by hand but if pressure is put on the knot where you attach to it will not move. m.youtube.com/watch?v=O88Z_ZPbQgoO.K. So the treestand breaks and you are hanging by the prussic knot. How do you get yourself down to the ground? It's way easier than waiting for fire department to get there. Anyone who's ever used a Baker climber will understand. Bear hug tree and cut the rope. Easy peasy. Down ya go. You'll also have a lifelong reminder.
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Post by Mack Apiary Bees on Oct 6, 2021 6:22:32 GMT -5
This thread just made me a safer hunter. I will now on make sure my phone is on me all the time hunting and not in my by bag that is hanging off the stand. I think most times it is on me. You never know what might happen. I did have one stand a day after hunting get hit by lightning. It destroyed my stand and tree.
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Post by jjas on Oct 6, 2021 6:34:08 GMT -5
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Post by jjas on Oct 6, 2021 6:36:32 GMT -5
Span870
With my luck I'd cut the rope, fall and land on the knife...
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Post by Mack Apiary Bees on Oct 6, 2021 6:47:32 GMT -5
The hunter safety system lifeline. So, I know it keeps me tied to the tree. I know as I ascend up the tree, I pull the knot up with me. It pulls rather easily. So, my question is this, what keeps it from just letting slide on down in the event of a fall? I tried to find a demo of one "in action" but, either I wasn't asking Google the right questions or, there's no video. Please pardon my ignorance but, feel free to give an answer. Buy a good body lifeline harness. There are some very cheap one. The ones that came with my hang-on went straight to the garbage can. Junk
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Post by HuntMeister on Oct 6, 2021 6:49:35 GMT -5
A lifeline, when properly used, will prevent a fall but you are a very wise man to ask how to recover after the fall. Most people never seem to consider how they will recover after the fall. What's the point of having a lifeline save you from a fall if you are then going to cut the rope and hope for the best? It is easy to say you will keep your tree safety setup free from excessive slack for a quick recovery back to your stand but stuff happens. What about a situation where a person has a medical event where they pass out and fall from the stand? Hanging from a typical harness, aka suspension trauma, will kill you in a short period of time. I have read that as little as 10 minutes of hanging can be fatal. Many harnesses come with a length of strap with loops on each end of the strap. you can take the strap and girth hitch it around your harness at the part of the harness that goes around your waist and place a foot in the other loop and step into it. This will take pressure off of your legs allowing blood to flow and preventing suspension trauma. Hopefully, you can do this until help arrives. If your harness did not come with one, you can make one to carry with you. One way to get down is to keep a long, properly tied loop of the correct type of rope to use as another prusik knot that you attach to the lifeline and put your foot in taking pressure off the harness prusik so you can lower it some. My suggestion is to get yourself a Treestand Wingman. If used properly your problem of self recovery is solved. treestandwingman.com/buy-treestand-wingman-now/treestand-wingman-black-out-series/I really don't understand why there are not more of these descender type systems available. One very important thing to consider when using a lifeline is to never keep your hand on the prusik knot while you are moving up or down the tree. Always make your move, stop and then adjust the prusik knot while stationary then remove your hand from the prusik knot before making another move. If you fall with your hand on the knot, it will not grip the rope and will slip. I will get off my soapbox now. I hope this helps and be safe out there guys and gals!
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Post by Mack Apiary Bees on Oct 6, 2021 6:59:15 GMT -5
I use climbing sticks so I will use swing over and get on the sticks. Then safely climb down using the safety lifeline. Now if I'm using a climber that's a different scenario. A wingman as mentioned is a good method since you are stuck there with limited options.
I stopped using my climber for that reason. I once and the bottom fall, but I did have that tether line on between the two pieces. It was a big struggle to reach down and get the bottom half back in place. That was the last year using it.
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Post by parrothead on Oct 6, 2021 7:30:22 GMT -5
I always attach my life line rope at the bottom/ground level. It makes moving the knot up as I go a whole lot easier.
Good post HM. Couple years ago stood on bucket and attached my harness and stepped off bucket. Didnt feel to bad at first but it really started getting umcomfortable quick. That was with harness that I was about to dispose of because of age.
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Post by jjas on Oct 6, 2021 7:35:02 GMT -5
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Post by HuntMeister on Oct 6, 2021 7:50:51 GMT -5
That is probably the most economical descender I have seen, only downfall is it is a one and done so you need to buy 2 and at that price point the Wingman is the better choice IMO.
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Post by genesis273 on Oct 6, 2021 8:30:29 GMT -5
The hunter safety system lifeline. So, I know it keeps me tied to the tree. I know as I ascend up the tree, I pull the knot up with me. It pulls rather easily. So, my question is this, what keeps it from just letting slide on down in the event of a fall? I tried to find a demo of one "in action" but, either I wasn't asking Google the right questions or, there's no video. Please pardon my ignorance but, feel free to give an answer. Buy a good body lifeline harness. There are some very cheap one. The ones that came with my hang-on went straight to the garbage can. Junk Getting 9 lifelines and a new harness👍
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Post by Woody Williams on Oct 6, 2021 8:30:53 GMT -5
In trying to find a video showing how the Prussic knot works I saw all kinds of mistakes being made.
Most apparent was climbing with their hand on the knot. Two problems with that - 1) You can not have a three pointe contact with the ladder or climbing sticks at all times. That can set you up for a fall. 2) If you fall with your hand on the knot your instinct will be to hold onto the rope/knot. The knot will not tighten on the rope and down you will go.
Another was using the side rails to hang onto. It is much better to climb using the ladder rungs or steps. If you slip you can hang on better to the steps/rungs than the vertical rails.
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