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Post by Woody Williams on Oct 6, 2021 10:43:36 GMT -5
This data is interesting: Bow hunting 33% hang-on 32% Ladder Stand Gun hunting 44% hang-on 21% Ladder Stands My guess the smaller platform for some hang-on's and the kick of the gun is the cause. That's the only thing I could think of. This data means very little without knowing how many use each type of stand. My uneducated guess is a LOT more hunters use hanging than ladder stands so that will skew the results.
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Post by esshup on Oct 6, 2021 10:48:34 GMT -5
O.K. So the treestand breaks and you are hanging by the prussic knot. How do you get yourself down to the ground? It's way easier than waiting for fire department to get there. Anyone who's ever used a Baker climber will understand. Bear hug tree and cut the rope. Easy peasy. Down ya go. You'll also have a lifelong reminder. So, what 3rd hand am I supposed to use with the knife when I am bear hugging the tree?
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Post by duff on Oct 6, 2021 10:49:00 GMT -5
Hunting is dangerous...don't tell the government!
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Post by tynimiller on Oct 6, 2021 10:49:50 GMT -5
I don't know Woody....in my experience ladders still are used by the majority more. Purely anecdotal and observational, but my friends that I know are primarily gun hunters, VERY few have stands that are not ladders.
Everytime someone messages my smallacrehunting email looking for consult or discussions and stand locations and recommended heights depending on spot - 9 times out of 10 (IF the person is a firearms hunter mostly) their arsenal of stands is nearly entirely ladders.
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Post by esshup on Oct 6, 2021 10:57:50 GMT -5
Thanks, this looks like the only thing that will help. I only use ladder stands. Nothing is perfect I guess, you are screwed if you are in an area that has no cell service.
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Post by greghopper on Oct 6, 2021 11:08:35 GMT -5
Thanks, this looks like the only thing that will help. I only use ladder stands. Nothing is perfect I guess, you are screwed if you are in an area that has no cell service. Actually some of the Best/Better harness systems come with that type of item.
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Post by genesis273 on Oct 6, 2021 11:21:02 GMT -5
This data is interesting: Bow hunting 33% hang-on 32% Ladder Stand Gun hunting 44% hang-on 21% Ladder Stands My guess the smaller platform for some hang-on's and the kick of the gun is the cause. That's the only thing I could think of. This data means very little without knowing how many use each type of stand. My uneducated guess is a LOT more hunters use hanging than ladder stands so that will skew the results. Of my 9 stands, only one is a hang-on. That's the one I fell from. While getting into the stand.
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Post by Woody Williams on Oct 6, 2021 11:29:09 GMT -5
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Post by Woody Williams on Oct 6, 2021 11:30:09 GMT -5
Hunting is dangerous...don't tell the government! Biden's handlers will sic OSHA on us...
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Post by Mack Apiary Bees on Oct 6, 2021 11:35:20 GMT -5
This data is interesting: Bow hunting 33% hang-on 32% Ladder Stand Gun hunting 44% hang-on 21% Ladder Stands My guess the smaller platform for some hang-on's and the kick of the gun is the cause. That's the only thing I could think of. This data means very little without knowing how many use each type of stand. My uneducated guess is a LOT more hunters use hanging than ladder stands so that will skew the results. I agree. The article didn't mention that. That's why I asked. I would think this type of data would be very helpful in sections of the stand. It appears the data is lacking for missing all together. It is just as bad with a type and of that type which is the best or worst.
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Post by genesis273 on Oct 6, 2021 11:41:24 GMT -5
Thanks for that site Woody. I now have a deep-seated desire to help spread awareness on tree stand safety and awareness. Maybe I can help these folks voluntarily or financially.
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Post by whitetaildave24 on Oct 6, 2021 11:45:06 GMT -5
The hunter safety system lifeline. So, I know it keeps me tied to the tree. I know as I ascend up the tree, I pull the knot up with me. It pulls rather easily. So, my question is this, what keeps it from just letting slide on down in the event of a fall? I tried to find a demo of one "in action" but, either I wasn't asking Google the right questions or, there's no video. Please pardon my ignorance but, feel free to give an answer. Buy a good body lifeline harness. There are some very cheap one. The ones that came with my hang-on went straight to the garbage can. Junk I would think they all meet standards and can save someone’s life if a fall occurs. I’ve never used on that came with a stand, but I have given quite a few away to others that couldn’t/didn’t want to buy one. Gave two to a father and son one year and he was so appreciative that his kid would now be safe in the tree.
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Post by Mack Apiary Bees on Oct 6, 2021 11:59:14 GMT -5
Buy a good body lifeline harness. There are some very cheap one. The ones that came with my hang-on went straight to the garbage can. Junk I would think they all meet standards and can save someone’s life if a fall occurs. I’ve never used on that came with a stand, but I have given quite a few away to others that couldn’t/didn’t want to buy one. Gave two to a father and son one year and he was so appreciative that his kid would now be safe in the tree. I didn't trust it so I decided not to give it away. I' m sure there is some regulation that they have to supply one with their stands. Everyone I've purchased had one. I bought a stand not a harness so why do they come with a cheap harness?
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Post by greghopper on Oct 6, 2021 12:04:40 GMT -5
All harnesses meet a standard . Period! Gezzz
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Post by Mack Apiary Bees on Oct 6, 2021 12:08:26 GMT -5
All harnesses meet a standard . Period! Gezzz And standards change all the time. Some become obsolete, some not very good are improved, some removed and replaced, and some will stand the test of time. Some written for a good cause , but isn't . Geezzz
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Post by greghopper on Oct 6, 2021 12:17:20 GMT -5
You sure know how to muddy up a Good Thread with miss information!
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Post by Mack Apiary Bees on Oct 6, 2021 12:29:57 GMT -5
You sure know how to muddy up a Good Thread with miss information! I just asked a question that I could not find good information that is 100% related to this thread. Some stands of all types are not as safe as others. Some types I would think are better than others. Now Ty had some good sites, but even those where lacking. It just shows this industry is about making money and not safety. Safety should start at the equipment 1st and then what else is required to complete all safety of its use. How many go into detail of trees and best trees or whatever to apply the stand or ladder to. Simple little question? I guess you can tell I once was an NFPA (electrical) inspector. I look at all of it. Sorry
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Post by Mack Apiary Bees on Oct 6, 2021 13:10:41 GMT -5
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Post by Woody Williams on Oct 6, 2021 13:12:35 GMT -5
I asked the TSSA folks about types of stand used and they answered.
Hi Clarence and thank you for your email. That is a question that I get asked often. However, we have no good way of answering the question. We know there are about 1.5 million stands sold annually and many hunters hunt from more than 1 type of manufactured stand. The individual manufacturers hold pretty tight to their sales data on specific types. We don't know how many stay in use and for how long, so that makes answering your great question almost impossible to answer accurately.
So, that's a long way of saying we really don't know.
Please let me know if you have other questions and thank you for reaching out to TSSA.
Glen
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Post by Mack Apiary Bees on Oct 6, 2021 13:21:20 GMT -5
I think the only thing we can get is Tri-pod are the safest then Ladder Stands and Hang-on and Climbers are not near as safe. No info on the newer saddle approach. It appears some manufactured equipment is not safe either. Buy quality equipment from know manufacturers and check their track record. Use the listed safety equipment mentioned. Bummer that there isn't better data and statistics.
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