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Post by greghopper on May 27, 2009 19:42:46 GMT -5
Poll Totals: Total Votes: 62 Total Voters: 61 ....not sure how that can be someone voted twice.........then you have 1,787 Total Members and only 61 have voted....what is that about a 4% response!!!!!
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Post by danf on May 27, 2009 19:47:44 GMT -5
How many of those members have ZERO posts and/or have posted and/or been on the site since January?
I know I'm a member of at least 3 other internet forums that I haven't visited in several years.............
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Post by Woody Williams on May 27, 2009 19:48:08 GMT -5
Poll Totals: Total Votes: 62 Total Voters: 61 ....not sure how that can be someone voted twice.........then you have 1,787 Total Members and only 61 have voted....what is that about a 4% response!!!!! No one can "vote twice" Could be just a glitch. As for the 4%... it is representative of the people that are on here AND care to vote. I don't think you will find any site where you get a majority to give input on any poll.
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Post by duff on May 27, 2009 20:43:08 GMT -5
Poll Totals: Total Votes: 62 Total Voters: 61 ....not sure how that can be someone voted twice.........then you have 1,787 Total Members and only 61 have voted....what is that about a 4% response!!!!! What's your point??? No polls/surveys on message boards are statistically valid but they do show important data to those who want to listen.
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Post by Hoosier Hunter on May 27, 2009 21:07:19 GMT -5
and there is always that disclaimer about a margin error ;D
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Post by greghopper on May 27, 2009 21:08:50 GMT -5
Poll Totals: Total Votes: 62 Total Voters: 61 ....not sure how that can be someone voted twice.........then you have 1,787 Total Members and only 61 have voted....what is that about a 4% response!!!!! What's your point??? No polls/surveys on message boards are statistically valid but they do show important data to those who want to listen. Bingo....my point....alot like the DNR on line polls, multi IP adresses, out of state votes and so on..........
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Post by cambygsp on May 28, 2009 4:58:41 GMT -5
I don't really understand where your going Greg, I think if you take a look around you will see that telecheck has overwhelming support from the general hunting community.
As I have stated, I can live with it or without it.
But what can't be overlooked is the fact that in the long run, telecheck is the most economical way for any State Resource Department to check animals.
Will it breed cheating?
Who knows, I don't think cheating could be much easier than it is right now with hand written transport tags.
It may actually encourage those folks who now think that taking their kill 20, 30, 40 or more miles to a check station,.............. when the station is open............... is too much of a hassle................. to actually pick up the phone and check their kill!
I think we will surely see telecheck, I just don't know when.
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Post by ray on May 28, 2009 8:31:06 GMT -5
It all depends what site you visit. This is a pro cross bow site and other sites are not. Same way with the telecheck
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Post by Hoosier Hunter on May 28, 2009 8:46:23 GMT -5
It all depends what site you visit. This is a pro cross bow site and other sites are not. Same way with the telecheck Depends on what, supporting TC or not? Looks like all 3 sites have more people supporting it than not.
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Post by cambygsp on May 28, 2009 10:28:28 GMT -5
It all depends what site you visit. This is a pro cross bow site and other sites are not. Same way with the telecheck Depends on what, supporting TC or not? Looks like all 3 sites have more people supporting it than not. I wasn't really talking about other internet hunting sites as this is the only one I frequent. What I was talking about was talking to other deer and turkey hunters. Every deer or turkey hunter I have spoke with seems to think telecheck is a good idea. The fear of increased cheating seems to be logical at first.......then when you think about the current system where you hand write your transport tag........it's really not a factor (the increased cheating) If a fella is a cheater what stops him now from hand writing their transport tag, taking their deer home, hanging it in their garage, butchering it and then go back to the woods the next day with the same deer tag?
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Post by danf on May 28, 2009 11:02:29 GMT -5
The same thing that will stop him with a tele-check system. NOTHING.
I think there's a lot of deer that are taken but not checked in right now (home butchered). I would venture to guess that most of those deer are taken with a legitimate tag. Either a second tag is then bought or is not needed (lifetime license, landowner, etc.). I see no reason the check-in numbers wouldn't increase when it's so much easier to check those deer in.
It's a semi-major PITA to hang a deer up when all the check stations are closed, take it down again to get it checked in, only to have to hang it back up to butcher. If those 2nd and 3rd steps can be avoided with a 5 minute phone call there would be no reason NOT to check in the deer.
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Post by gundude on May 28, 2009 12:05:02 GMT -5
Let it go guys..... nothing is going to happen anytime soon AND no matter what happens on this issue we will still all be able to get in our tree stands this fall....... Lets focus all this pinned up frustration on other more serious issues that need to be addressed........ Say like the total lack of habitat on our State properties.......
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Post by Woody Williams on May 28, 2009 12:31:48 GMT -5
Let it go guys..... nothing is going to happen anytime soon AND no matter what happens on this issue we will still all be able to get in our tree stands this fall....... Lets focus all this pinned up frustration on other more serious issues that need to be addressed........ Say like the total lack of habitat on our State properties....... Maybe, maybe not. I think telecheck will be with us for the 2010 deer season if not the 2010 spring turkey season. As far as getting the money first.... Make no sense at all. Don't you think that all avenues, including hunter acceptance be hashed out before one goes for the money? IDNR - " Mr. Legislator, we need money for a program that we might do if hunters OK it". Legislator -" Come back when you are sure what you and the hunters want." I know Obama and company are throwing money at everything but the legislature normally likes to see what they are buying before they pony up cash. Seeing if the telecheck is feasible, what the cost is and IF it is desired by hunters FIRST before attempting to find the funds is not "putting the cart before the horse".
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Post by gundude on May 28, 2009 13:01:17 GMT -5
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Post by Woody Williams on May 28, 2009 13:11:56 GMT -5
I was answering..I personally don't think we should "let it go". I have seen where you think this should be "let go" because the money is not there, yet. I'm saying run the numbers, check for acceptance, do the pros and cons - THEN got look for the money IF it is approved. If you have another fish to fry, by all means fry it. Just don't tell us to "let it go" on this one...
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Post by gundude on May 28, 2009 14:02:32 GMT -5
OK keep on keeping on........ Telecheck may happen someday but it aint happenin now is all I am saying..... Just thought we/us could direct our frustrations at other more important issues that need to be addressed RIGHT NOW!............ Thats all
debate on....... Im done with this one till all the data is in.
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Post by Harley on May 28, 2009 17:02:43 GMT -5
I'm all for it! ;D
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Post by duff on May 28, 2009 17:23:20 GMT -5
If there is instant access to check what hunters have checked in, I would say the number of poachers will most likly go down as opposed to up. Like Camby pointed out it don't get much easier then now to throw a temp tag on and get it to the house to never be counted. It's that fear of not knowing who is looking for your info after discussing the deer hunt that will keep the honest hunters honest.
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Post by Woody Williams on May 28, 2009 20:30:03 GMT -5
I keep seeing (on other sites) a $75,000 set up fee for deer AND another set up fee of $75,000 for deer.
I have seen the IDNR proposal and the set up cost is nowhere near that.
One company says it is $7,500 per set up and that includes numerous animals. They charge 56 to 58 cents per call depending on if they use the IDNR 800#.
The other company sets up for free but costs more per call. They charge 83 cents per call.
The estimated cost for an entire YEAR is from $45,120 to $72,625 depending on which company is chosen.
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Post by gundude on May 28, 2009 20:36:52 GMT -5
Woody, AGAIN I AM NOT OPPOSED TO THIS!>>>>>>>>> But I was at the NRC meeting and the numbers you are using are dead wrong.
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