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Post by tenring on Jan 20, 2008 7:39:39 GMT -5
seems to me it would save the state money. how many man hours you think they spend now compiling all the data and entering it into a computer? The info would be entered by the hunter=money saved. Save lots of paper which costs money and trees+printing fees plus rounding all that paper work up...etc, etc. Would free up dnr money to be spent on law enforcement. CO's would have instant access to who entered what and when and can make occassional home visits to verify. seems win/win to me but thats just my opinion. Excellent post, without drifting over to how the neighbors keep house. Has to be the finest ,IMHO, post with the most logical down to earth explanation of the facts except for the "it seems to me." But that's just me.
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Post by cambygsp on Jan 20, 2008 7:54:03 GMT -5
I don't think Tele-Check will promote poaching.....heck I don't think poaching can get any worse than it is now!
By poaching I mean.........
Hand writing out your transport tag and taking the deer home, by- passing the check station!
Woody says the DNR don't have the money to administer the system.....and they might not, HOWEVER just the other night Govenor Daniels reported in his State of the State Address that the state of Indiana does in fact currently have a cash surplus!
CASH SURPLUS!!!!! yet my property taxes rose 86% this last year!
It don't matter to me if we have tele-check or not, It's never been a chore for me to check my deer, it's part of the hunt and I always plan for it. I don't go deer hunting if there won't be time to track, dress and check the deer!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2008 8:29:45 GMT -5
In Kentucky, illegal hunting incidents did in fact increase after Telechek. Through roadblocks, it was determined that before Telecheck, the rate was about 18% or so. A few years later, it was estimated at nearly double that number.
Telechek is better for data.
Telechek is cheaper than having employees gather data from thousands of check stations spread out all over the state.
Telechek is faster.
Telechek can have several different uses, including by LE if used properly.
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Post by Ahawkeye on Jan 20, 2008 8:55:53 GMT -5
Woody, why would we need to wait till after the obr trial period? I'm not against what your saying I just don't understand why we would have to wait and what differance it would make?
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Post by danf on Jan 20, 2008 9:04:59 GMT -5
I'm not totally familiar with how tele-check works in other states. I assume you need a valid license number to check in your deer? How would that work with the landowner/military hunters that don't need a license? I've got an idea, but would like to hear what others think on this...
With a license number that is instantly validated when deer are called in, how can someone poach a deer and call it in without flags going off in the system?
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Post by drs on Jan 20, 2008 9:35:09 GMT -5
I'm not totally familiar with how tele-check works in other states. I assume you need a valid license number to check in your deer? How would that work with the landowner/military hunters that don't need a license? In the case of Landowners; they make their own tag, and record the proper data such as: sex of Deer, ect. They then take this tag & Deer to a check station and go through the same procedure as a regular Deer Hunter would. The pamplet, put out by the state contains a ready made tag which both Landowners and Non-landowners can use.
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Post by danf on Jan 20, 2008 9:43:30 GMT -5
In the case of Landowners; they make their own tag, and record the proper data such as: sex of Deer, ect. They then take this tag & Deer to a check station and go through the same procedure as a regular Deer Hunter would. The pamplet, put out by the state contains a ready made tag which both Landowners and Non-landowners can use. Yes, this is how it is now. I am familiar with that. What I meant, is if the State of Indiana implemented tele-check, how would it work with those people who don't need to buy a license such as landowners and military?
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Post by drs on Jan 20, 2008 9:45:05 GMT -5
They would still be required to phone it in.
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Post by freedomhunter on Jan 20, 2008 14:32:44 GMT -5
It is hard to imagine the poaching in most of backwoods Indiana could get worse. I always thought the number of deer checked would increase with the telecheck. Indiana residents are usually a few years behind on the good ideas. Kentucky seems to be more open to change and progressive ideas.
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Post by trapperdave on Jan 20, 2008 14:35:19 GMT -5
your hunting lisence is tied in with your drivers lisence(meaning the info is there on hunting liscence) landowners can phone it in AND the system could be set up to FLAG those that arent on the books paying property taxes. i.e., they could use it to catch the cheats that arent landowners but are claiming so.
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Post by drs on Jan 20, 2008 15:12:31 GMT -5
your hunting lisence is tied in with your drivers lisence(meaning the info is there on hunting liscence) landowners can phone it in AND the system could be set up to FLAG those that arent on the books paying property taxes. i.e., they could use it to catch the cheats that aren't landowners but are claiming so. Like killing two birds with one stone. Good idea!
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Post by indianahick on Jan 20, 2008 15:41:38 GMT -5
Having the local CO drop by for a home visit is not something that I would really want as he has already been sued and he lost for false arrest. Been accused of running a hunting program on posted property, proved that he was too. As for those that would be claiming to be land owners and tele checking deer taken without proper licenses. I don't see someone checking a deer taken with out a license; unless they would somehow be related to the land owner that they hunted on. Why would I want to spend my time reviewing my neighbors to make sure that they are obeying the law. If I did then I would have to be reasonably sure that they would not be checking in their game anyway. If I believed that then I would call the tip line and let the local CO, look into it.
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Post by trapperdave on Jan 20, 2008 15:43:54 GMT -5
I just checked that link....awesome! Now thats information at your fingertips!
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Post by RiverJim on Jan 20, 2008 16:03:21 GMT -5
It don't matter to me either way but I do not want to see ANYTHING ELSE contracted out. There's been alot of folks lately contracted right out of their jobs and pensions. Thanks bmitch.
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Post by danf on Jan 20, 2008 17:41:35 GMT -5
your hunting lisence is tied in with your drivers lisence(meaning the info is there on hunting liscence) landowners can phone it in AND the system could be set up to FLAG those that arent on the books paying property taxes. i.e., they could use it to catch the cheats that arent landowners but are claiming so. Hadn't thought about the driver's license. That's the info I was looking for. Don't know that tax payment would be an accurate way to judge the "landowner" status, as I believe it applies to dependant children as well, many of whom could be in their early twenties.
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Post by stevein on Jan 21, 2008 8:48:58 GMT -5
I do not see how tele-check would make a difference in the amount of deer poached. We do not even have to check in our own deer We have 48 hours to check in our deer. We use a homemade tag to transport deer. How does tele-check make it better? Other than instant info what do we gain?
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Post by dbd870 on Jan 21, 2008 9:07:33 GMT -5
What we gain is the loss of the inconvenience of having to take the animal somewhere which is a pain when you take one late in the afternoon and it's bow season and a warm evening and by the time you recover it, dress it, and get it out no one is open. Or it's late Sunday and they're closed, now you're taking time off from work to deal with it, either that or not go out Sunday afternoon and loose the time in the field. I think it makes it much better.
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Post by Adam Brown (BGGoosekiller) on Jan 21, 2008 9:25:56 GMT -5
I don't really think it's needed. If you have time to: - practice shooting your weapon of choice. (countless hours for most)
- Hunt your
- Butcher your deer
- Set stands
- Scout
- everything else involved with hunting
seriously what is so bad about taking an hour and going to check your deer in.
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Post by raporter on Jan 21, 2008 9:32:43 GMT -5
What we gain is the loss of the inconvenience of having to take the animal somewhere which is a pain when you take one late in the afternoon and it's bow season and a warm evening and by the time you recover it, dress it, and get it out no one is open. Or it's late Sunday and they're closed, now you're taking time off from work to deal with it, either that or not go out Sunday afternoon and loose the time in the field. I think it makes it much better. This pretty much covers it. Of course if you have to drive 30 miles each way in your truck that will get 15 miles to the gallon it will cost you around 12$ in gas.
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