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Post by jjas on Aug 7, 2022 19:51:09 GMT -5
I work in a very liberal town with very liberal co workers. We've hashed this out. Most aren't irate with the decision, most are irate with the terms. I'd wager 90% would have been acceptable with 12 weeks as a maximum as 10 weeks is the average for miscarriage going by an informal poll. Not going either way but just giving the moderate swing vote side. Just don't get why me being a "right wing" republican and them being "left wing" democrats can work it out to terms but politicians cant Indiana is currently at 22 weeks, so I agree some middle ground should have been found. Does anybody have actual numbers as to how many abortions are preformed a year here? If nothing else, I think this should have been a ballot question. I feel the same way about a lot of major issues. This might answer some of your questions... www.in.gov/health/vital-records/files/ANNUAL-TPR-CY2020.pdf
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Post by Huntnfreak on Aug 7, 2022 21:05:39 GMT -5
God doesn’t make mistakes…babies are conceived in all situations for a reason!!
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Post by greghopper on Aug 7, 2022 21:23:50 GMT -5
I work in a very liberal town with very liberal co workers. We've hashed this out. Most aren't irate with the decision, most are irate with the terms. I'd wager 90% would have been acceptable with 12 weeks as a maximum as 10 weeks is the average for miscarriage going by an informal poll. Not going either way but just giving the moderate swing vote side. Just don't get why me being a "right wing" republican and them being "left wing" democrats can work it out to terms but politicians cant Indiana is currently at 22 weeks, so I agree some middle ground should have been found. Does anybody have actual numbers as to how many abortions are preformed a year here? If nothing else, I think this should have been a ballot question. I feel the same way about a lot of major issues. That’s what Kansas did…Voted!
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Post by freedomhunter on Aug 7, 2022 21:30:03 GMT -5
God doesn’t make mistakes…babies are conceived in all situations for a reason!! They will never get that fact until they find Jesus then it probably too late unless they repent.
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Post by Woody Williams on Aug 7, 2022 21:38:25 GMT -5
Kansas...
As I understand it Indiana is not a referendum state - except for amending the state constitution.
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Post by Woody Williams on Aug 7, 2022 21:49:01 GMT -5
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Post by greghopper on Aug 7, 2022 21:51:12 GMT -5
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Post by firstwd on Aug 8, 2022 5:14:11 GMT -5
God doesn’t make mistakes…babies are conceived in all situations for a reason!! We live in a Country that one of it's first guaranteed rights is that no person is required to choose or live under religious regulations.
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Post by Huntnfreak on Aug 8, 2022 5:34:26 GMT -5
God doesn’t make mistakes…babies are conceived in all situations for a reason!! We live in a Country that one of it's first guaranteed rights is that no person is required to choose or live under religious regulations. I never said a person has to believe, but what I said is truth!!
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Post by greghopper on Aug 8, 2022 5:48:44 GMT -5
God doesn’t make mistakes…babies are conceived in all situations for a reason!! We live in a Country that one of it's first guaranteed rights is that no person is required to choose or live under religious regulations. The Catholic Church spent $2.5 million to prevent Kansas women from having abortion access. If they can push a political agenda then they can pay taxes. IMO
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Post by jjas on Aug 8, 2022 8:09:15 GMT -5
I've tried to stay out of this, but those who believe that a women (or a girl) should have to carry a child to term that was conceived by rape or incest, I think that is just flat out cruel and wrong on every level.
And I wonder how many who say that would feel the same way if that were their wife or daughter.
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Post by firstwd on Aug 8, 2022 9:04:59 GMT -5
We live in a Country that one of it's first guaranteed rights is that no person is required to choose or live under religious regulations. I never said a person has to believe, but what I said is truth!! I never said what you said was a lie, just that not everybody has or should be forced to have the same beliefs.
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Post by Woody Williams on Aug 8, 2022 12:20:36 GMT -5
The new law allows an abortion up to 12 weeks after conception for rape and incest victims. I can see that being abused by some. There is zero stipulation in the law that she has to prove she was raped or press charges or was a victim of incest.
BTW - Fewer than 1% of all abortions take place because there has been rape or incest involved to create the pregnancy.
To me it is not that baby's fault it was conceived under such circumstances, but it will still pay the ultimate price..
A young lady at my old church was a victim of a "date rape drug" at a party at college. She ended up pregnant. Never once did she consider an abortion as that was HER baby. Everyone in the church supported her decision. She gave birth to a beautiful baby boy. A couple years later she married and her husband adopted the boy. They also went on to have a little girl to complete their family.
I would hope that every woman/girl that becomes pregnant because of rape or incest will consider the baby above all in making the decision to carry to full term or abort.
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Post by Huntnfreak on Aug 8, 2022 12:58:52 GMT -5
The new law allows an abortion up to 12 weeks after conception for rape and incest victims. I can see that being abused by some. There is zero stipulation in the law that she has to prove she was raped or press charges or was a victim of incest. BTW - Fewer than 1% of all abortions take place because there has been rape or incest involved to create the pregnancy. To me it is not that baby's fault it was conceived under such circumstances, but it will still pay the ultimate price.. A young lady at my old church was a victim of a "date rape drug" at a party at college. She ended up pregnant. Never once did she consider an abortion as that was HER baby. Everyone in the church supported her decision. She gave birth to a beautiful baby boy. A couple years later she married and her husband adopted the boy. They also went on to have a little girl to complete their family. I would hope that every woman/girl that becomes pregnant because of rape or incest will consider the baby above all in making the decision to carry to full term or abort. Amen!!
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Post by boman on Aug 8, 2022 19:08:02 GMT -5
God doesn’t make mistakes…babies are conceived in all situations for a reason!! I always thought the reason God allowed procreation was for the propagation of the species and if He doesn't make mistakes I wonder if He has second thoughts about the one million babies who die from starvation before the age of 5 worldwide every year? They will never get that fact until they find Jesus then it probably too late unless they repent. If you've found Jesus you should let the archaelogists know, they're still looking for him after 2000yrs. Blasphemy you say-----since I'm gonna burn in hell I certainly hope there's room, probably already pretty crowded with all the Christians, Muslims,Hindus,Buddhists,Shintos,Sikhs,Jews etc.etc. etc. who haven't found Jesus. By the way Jesus was a Jew. And FWIW I never lost Him, the nuns taught me all about Jesus for 8 years. Steve
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Post by boman on Aug 8, 2022 19:16:25 GMT -5
The new law allows an abortion up to 12 weeks after conception for rape and incest victims. I can see that being abused by some. There is zero stipulation in the law that she has to prove she was raped or press charges or was a victim of incest. BTW - Fewer than 1% of all abortions take place because there has been rape or incest involved to create the pregnancy. To me it is not that baby's fault it was conceived under such circumstances, but it will still pay the ultimate price.. A young lady at my old church was a victim of a "date rape drug" at a party at college. She ended up pregnant. Never once did she consider an abortion as that was HER baby. Everyone in the church supported her decision. She gave birth to a beautiful baby boy. A couple years later she married and her husband adopted the boy. They also went on to have a little girl to complete their family. I would hope that every woman/girl that becomes pregnant because of rape or incest will consider the baby above all in making the decision to carry to full term or abort. Amen!! Woody, Glad it all worked out with a happy ending. Do you think the church you formerly belonged to would have supported her if she made the other choice? Steve
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Post by Woody Williams on Aug 8, 2022 19:20:50 GMT -5
Folks,
Lets be careful here.
I’m a patient and reasonable man but I’ll only take so much..
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Post by Woody Williams on Aug 8, 2022 19:31:11 GMT -5
Woody, Glad it all worked out with a happy ending. Do you think the church you formerly belonged to would have supported her if she made the other choice? Steve Some would have and some wouldn’t have. Just like the general public. She got pretty well 100% support on her decision. Personally I admire the young lady for doing what she did. She did not bear the child in shame. She said “this is MY baby”
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Post by freedomhunter on Aug 8, 2022 20:01:55 GMT -5
They will never get that fact until they find Jesus then it probably too late unless they repent. If you've found Jesus you should let the archaelogists know, they're still looking for him after 2000yrs. Blasphemy you say-----since I'm gonna burn in hell I certainly hope there's room, probably already pretty crowded with all the Christians, Muslims,Hindus,Buddhists,Shintos,Sikhs,Jews etc.etc. etc. who haven't found Jesus. By the way Jesus was a Jew. And FWIW I never lost Him, the nuns taught me all about Jesus for 8 years. Steve It wasn't really personal. Read your Bible and figure it out for yourself.
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Post by boman on Aug 8, 2022 20:32:15 GMT -5
Folks, Lets be careful here. I’m a patient and reasonable man but I’ll only take so much.. I assume you are directing that at me. That an honest comment and a reasonable question I asked you, not a personal attack and here's why I asked. I was walking the dogs in Crown Hill last Sunday and met a lady,never met her before, who was also walking her dog. We ended up walking and talking together and the subject of Roe vs. Wade came up along with other political subjects. When I asked her about how she felt on the subject of Roe vs. Wade She said, and I quote "I would never have an abortion but I certainly wouldn't condemn any woman who does". I may be wrong but I'm pretty sure if one polls a lot of women you'll find a similar view with a vast majority, Pretty sure that's where the huge turnout and vote to keep freedom of choice came from in Kansas. I pretty much feel the same way as these women, but as I said somewhere earlier, religion should not be part of the equation and wish it could be left out of the conversation, unfortunately some who have different beliefs than mine keep bringing it up. Steve
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