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Post by blackmouthcur on Jun 24, 2022 21:33:19 GMT -5
Are pro lifers also against the death penalty? Just curious where you draw the line?
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Post by boman on Jun 24, 2022 21:43:08 GMT -5
I wonder how many men who say they are pro life would truly expect their wife or daughter to carry a child to term if they were raped and became pregnant? I wonder the same thing, throw in incest, life of the mother, gross defect in the fetus? I personally think most men who label themselves pro life really haven't given it much thought, "because it's not my problem"------until it is. Steve
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Post by esshup on Jun 24, 2022 23:36:22 GMT -5
My question for all the pro life people out that is this, and it's a 2 part question. 1) Have you fostered or adopted a child that was born into an unwanted situation? If yes, great. If not, why not? In my book, actions speak louder than words.
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Post by Ahawkeye on Jun 25, 2022 4:16:06 GMT -5
There are plenty of what ifs out there that can be and have been argued for the last 50 years. I am admitting to you that I am not equipped for all of those arguments but I can say this. My faith tells me that we will respect all human life from conception to natural death. This includes all of the scenarios you have asked about. Except mayby the health of the mother or baby but I'd have to look that one up. Would all of these situations be difficult? Yes they would, as far as adopting or fostering goes I have 3 of my own right now but there is still time for that. My wife and I have discussed this a couple of times. I've not taken a deep look into this but the cost of adoption needs to be lowered I'm not saying I won't do it but it is a hurtle.
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Post by greghopper on Jun 25, 2022 5:28:44 GMT -5
There are plenty of what ifs out there that can be and have been argued for the last 50 years. I am admitting to you that I am not equipped for all of those arguments but I can say this. My faith tells me that we will respect all human life from conception to natural death. This includes all of the scenarios you have asked about. Except mayby the health of the mother or baby but I'd have to look that one up. Would all of these situations be difficult? Yes they would, as far as adopting or fostering goes I have 3 of my own right now but there is still time for that. My wife and I have discussed this a couple of times. I've not taken a deep look into this but the cost of adoption needs to be lowered I'm not saying I won't do it but it is a hurtle. "In every State there are children with special needs waiting in foster care for adoptive families. The most recent data estimate that 126,000 children are available to be adopted from foster care. In the past, the costs of care and services were major obstacles to parents who would otherwise adopt and love these children, and most were not placed for adoption. The Adoption Assistance and Child Welfare Act of 1980 provided the first Federal subsidies to encourage the adoption of children from the nation's foster care system. These subsidies, known as adoption assistance, serve to minimize the financial obstacles to adoption. In addition, other types of assistance often are available to help with medical care or other services. Adoption assistance serves to remove barriers and contribute to an increase in adoption of children with special needs."tinyurl.com/52cczehtThere are many ways to lower cost unless someone is trying to cherry-pick an adoption.
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Post by Ahawkeye on Jun 25, 2022 5:46:51 GMT -5
There are plenty of what ifs out there that can be and have been argued for the last 50 years. I am admitting to you that I am not equipped for all of those arguments but I can say this. My faith tells me that we will respect all human life from conception to natural death. This includes all of the scenarios you have asked about. Except mayby the health of the mother or baby but I'd have to look that one up. Would all of these situations be difficult? Yes they would, as far as adopting or fostering goes I have 3 of my own right now but there is still time for that. My wife and I have discussed this a couple of times. I've not taken a deep look into this but the cost of adoption needs to be lowered I'm not saying I won't do it but it is a hurtle. "In every State there are children with special needs waiting in foster care for adoptive families. The most recent data estimate that 126,000 children are available to be adopted from foster care. In the past, the costs of care and services were major obstacles to parents who would otherwise adopt and love these children, and most were not placed for adoption. The Adoption Assistance and Child Welfare Act of 1980 provided the first Federal subsidies to encourage the adoption of children from the nation's foster care system. These subsidies, known as adoption assistance, serve to minimize the financial obstacles to adoption. In addition, other types of assistance often are available to help with medical care or other services. Adoption assistance serves to remove barriers and contribute to an increase in adoption of children with special needs."tinyurl.com/52cczehtThere are many ways to lower cost unless someone is trying to cherry-pick an adoption. Good to know. 👍 If my wife and I were unable to have children I would like to think we would have adopted a few (at least more than one) but again that option is not off the table.
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Post by firstwd on Jun 25, 2022 5:57:30 GMT -5
There are plenty of what ifs out there that can be and have been argued for the last 50 years. I am admitting to you that I am not equipped for all of those arguments but I can say this. My faith tells me that we will respect all human life from conception to natural death. This includes all of the scenarios you have asked about. Except mayby the health of the mother or baby but I'd have to look that one up. Would all of these situations be difficult? Yes they would, as far as adopting or fostering goes I have 3 of my own right now but there is still time for that. My wife and I have discussed this a couple of times. I've not taken a deep look into this but the cost of adoption needs to be lowered I'm not saying I won't do it but it is a hurtle. I don't say this to degrade anybody or their beliefs. When determining civil law one must check their religious beliefs at the door. The United States IS NOT a democracy, it is a Republic and designed to protect the smallest minority from the whims others. Let's put it this way. Will those who want their religious views as civil law be just as happy about another religion's views becoming law?
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Post by Ahawkeye on Jun 25, 2022 6:06:40 GMT -5
Ok I see your point but I have my beliefs as well.
Guys you can make as many points as you wish I will continue to feel the way that I do and be ecstatic about this event. I enjoy this site very much and hold my faith in a very high place in my life. I am withdrawing from this conversation for the fact that no matter how I feel about this I will not change your mind and you will not change mine. I wish you all health and good fortune going forward but I will not visit this subject again. This argument is a sticky one, you know my side and I know yours. See you all in another thread, good day.
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Post by greghopper on Jun 25, 2022 6:27:07 GMT -5
"We" have not won anything. This opens up doors people just don't realize. Now that the SC says people's personal medical choices are the States to decide, there can easily be a law passed to mandate any current or future vaccines. Also, now ANY personal choice, written into the Constitution as Liberty, can be decided by the states. This was about abortion. Anything else is speculation but carry on. True...But we can't ignore or cherry-pick the facts of the subject on both sides. Unintended Consequences are real and shouldn't be ignored
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Post by jjas on Jun 25, 2022 6:46:13 GMT -5
Hunter xmax
With all due respect, with the misery attached to this subject, I don't know how anyone can "be ecstatic about this event" regardless of their point of view.
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Post by beermaker on Jun 25, 2022 7:00:36 GMT -5
My thoughts:
- Those squawking "my body, my choice" seem to be from the same camp that crusaded for mandated, and from some, forced vaccines.
- The likes of Biden and Pelosi who proclaim to be devout Catholics should be banned from the church, period. One cannot have it both ways. That's like an atheist claiming to believe in God. I was born into a very Catholic family, baptised, confirmed, etc. However, as an adult, I do not believe in some of the Catholic teachings and how scandals involving Priests and little boys were handled. I, therefore, do not consider myself Catholic.
- I do consider myself pro choice. I do not believe that pregnancies as the result of criminal activity or that have negative medical implications for the mother or child should be mandated to birth. I also don't believe that being irresponsible should cost a baby it's life. I just don't get this one. When I was a single young man and thought I might have the opportunity to be in the presence of a, well, anyone with a lick of sense can take it from there. Let's just say I kept more in my wallet than money.
- I'd like to hear a personal account from someone who was able to adopt without spending a good amount of money during a long, drawn out process. My SIL has been trying adopt for years in IL. She has spent a lot of money and time to get continually put on a "list." Her only stipulation is that it be an infant, not a particular race or sex. Just a baby, that's it. On the other hand, I know a couple that was unable to have children due to a medical condition that the lady had. They got the same adoption runaround as I described above, This was a very mentally taxing time for her. She has an extremely wealthy brother that stepped in and made some calls, wrote some checks, etc. Presto! Two babies in two years. Good for them, but a true testament of the system.
Have a good weekend all.
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Post by jjas on Jun 25, 2022 7:12:20 GMT -5
beermaker
If that's the case, perhaps those in control of the adoption process should be investigated for their "adoption" practices.
I truly have to wonder why people who want more children (or those in the situation of being unable to have children of their own) don't look @ the option of adopting older children that are stuck in the foster care system.
I can't think of a more selfless act than doing that.
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Post by greghopper on Jun 25, 2022 7:46:51 GMT -5
That definitely left a mark on the organization IMO
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Post by greghopper on Jun 25, 2022 18:34:54 GMT -5
Marion County Prosecutor says he will not file criminal charges against doctors or patients. t.co/oPQRGeaX5cThe Pentagon Announces It Will Refuse to Follow Any State Laws Restricting Abortion Access t.co/0gV3SVlQ0W
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Post by whitetaildave24 on Jun 26, 2022 21:24:03 GMT -5
Just another reason to avoid this company at all costs.
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Post by greghopper on Jun 26, 2022 22:05:55 GMT -5
Most won’t have to travel they will have the pills sent to them.
This whole thing has many loop holes.
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Post by steiny on Jun 27, 2022 8:43:32 GMT -5
I don't have a dog in this fight, but in general think it is good whenever you can let decisions be made at the state or local level rather than Federal. The feds have their noses in far too much as it is.
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Post by Woody Williams on Jun 27, 2022 9:51:54 GMT -5
The Washington football coach won his case…
6 to 3 again..
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Post by esshup on Jun 27, 2022 11:00:51 GMT -5
That's great news.
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Post by boman on Jun 27, 2022 16:29:42 GMT -5
The Washington football coach won his case… 6 to 3 again.. Woody we finally have Court that believes in checking federal power, protecting individual freedom, and interpreting the Constitution according to its original meaning thanks to the Federalist Society. if I was a lawyer I would be a card carrying member. LOL Steve
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