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Post by duff on Jul 16, 2022 16:09:18 GMT -5
I think Republicans are about to lose any hope for a strong showing in the next several elections. There are a ton of middle of the road voters that don't like what is happening. Maybe not what you or I like but just facts.
The politicians that are providing press conferences and not giving a strong support of abortions in the case of rape, incest or health are digging their own hole.
Rokita stepped in a big pile of dog doo. Not sure what his motives were.
The case is very sad and the continued exploitation for political gain is shameless on both sides.
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Post by greghopper on Jul 16, 2022 16:33:20 GMT -5
What a mess... A Telmundo reporter tracked down the "mother". She said her daughter was fine and the media was spreading lies about the guy who supposedly raped her. The reporter talked to neighbors and found out that the "mother" and the alleged rapist were in a "domestic relationship". IOW - shacking up. The neighbor also said that the "mother" is pregnant too. My bet is that she is illegal too and that is why she did not report it. Just a hunch. The Ohio AG said the girl did not have to go to Indiana to have the procedure as there are exceptions on Ohio's laws for this. I'm curious as to how and why the Indy Star found out about this. Was there a motive behind it? It seems to me that the child's welfare should have been put above all else and not nationally publicize it. The perp should not see the light of day again if he is convicted.... BTW - There is a gofundme account set up for the abortion doctor. Why? Here is the go fund me link explaining the money use… legal fees and security it seems! t.co/Ja7g6KWDDb
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Post by welder on Jul 16, 2022 20:39:05 GMT -5
What a mess... A Telmundo reporter tracked down the "mother". She said her daughter was fine and the media was spreading lies about the guy who supposedly raped her. The reporter talked to neighbors and found out that the "mother" and the alleged rapist were in a "domestic relationship". IOW - shacking up. The neighbor also said that the "mother" is pregnant too. My bet is that she is illegal too and that is why she did not report it. Just a hunch. The Ohio AG said the girl did not have to go to Indiana to have the procedure as there are exceptions on Ohio's laws for this. I'm curious as to how and why the Indy Star found out about this. Was there a motive behind it? It seems to me that the child's welfare should have been put above all else and not nationally publicize it. The perp should not see the light of day again if he is convicted.... BTW - There is a gofundme account set up for the abortion doctor. Why? He absolutely deserves the death penalty, IMO. Now that I have clarified my feelings about him,on to "Mother": If she knew this was happening, and allowed it to, she is just as,if not MORE guilty than he is! I cannot imagine doing this, much less allowing it to happen to your own daughter. There's a special place in hell for people like this.
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Post by greghopper on Aug 6, 2022 14:50:08 GMT -5
Indy-based Eli Lilly and Company says Indiana's near-total ban on abortion could make it more difficult to attract talent and negatively impact plans for future growth in the state. t.co/vDLy1mEIDJ
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Post by Huntnfreak on Aug 6, 2022 16:23:11 GMT -5
Indy-based Eli Lilly and Company says Indiana's near-total ban on abortion could make it more difficult to attract talent and negatively impact plans for future growth in the state. t.co/vDLy1mEIDJAwww….boo hoo
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Post by Woody Williams on Aug 6, 2022 17:01:00 GMT -5
Are they saying that there are no “scientific, engineering and business talent” that is pro life? They are all pro abortion?
I’ve got to believe that if a qualified person was offered a great job at Lilly the “abortion rights” of the state would be way down the list in consideration of taking the job.
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Post by boman on Aug 6, 2022 18:21:46 GMT -5
All I can say on the whole issue is that the only red state to get it right is Kansas.
Steve
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Post by duff on Aug 6, 2022 19:45:33 GMT -5
Battle vs war
It will make next election interesting and determine who will win this war.
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Post by freedomhunter on Aug 6, 2022 20:39:10 GMT -5
Of course abortion checks off a few boxes in the destroy America plan. But it's the economy, stupid. They are screaming like living babies over abortion and diversion, again while economic destruction continues and ramps up. They are about ready to make most of us suffer much more, if they can pull it off. Abortion will be the last thing on your mind while you wait in line for cheese.
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Post by duff on Aug 6, 2022 21:52:50 GMT -5
Sounds about right but why hamstring the efforts to protect the economy by stirring up a no win emotional bag of goo?
Battle vs war...roe vs wade had been in place for a long time. Did Republicans win or lose swing votes with this victory? By my observations they lost a significant amount.
Trust me, I am all for states rights. I just think some of the responses by the republican lead states have missed a big opportunity to make this emotional topic a huge win. Time will tell.
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Post by span870 on Aug 7, 2022 3:24:24 GMT -5
Sounds about right but why hamstring the efforts to protect the economy by stirring up a no win emotional bag of goo? Battle vs war...roe vs wade had been in place for a long time. Did Republicans win or lose swing votes with this victory? By my observations they lost a significant amount. Trust me, I am all for states rights. I just think some of the responses by the republican lead states have missed a big opportunity to make this emotional topic a huge win. Time will tell. Lord I hate to say this, but you get it. Unfortunately politics is a game anymore. You have to play it right to win. This could very easily have been held off on until after midterms.
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Post by beermaker on Aug 7, 2022 5:21:51 GMT -5
I continue to find the liberal obsession with abortion both disturbing and confusing. One would think that the country is going to perish (like climate change) next week if babies can't be killed at will.
What I find particularly confusing are the constant "womens' health care" and "reproductive rights" battle hymns. In my non-medically qualified opinion, abortion is not health care if there is no clear and present medical risk to the mother or child. What am I missing?
Reproductive rights? I view it as more of an ability and responsibility than a right. Sure, one has the right to reproduce, but also the responsibility to prevent unintended reproduction. It's not that hard. Other than the most obvious method, a quick trip to any drug store is all that is needed.
I'll go ahead and say it, I do think that pregnancies as a result of criminal activity or that do indeed pose danger to the mother or child should be legally allowed. I don't expect everyone to agree with me, but so be it.
As for the young ladies on the liberal cable features that are getting sterilized in protest, go ahead! Please save us from your offspring.
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Post by jjas on Aug 7, 2022 6:01:29 GMT -5
Beermaker
Should be legally allowed? Are you saying that abortions from a rape or incest or that pose a danger to the mother or child should be allowed or are you saying that they shouldn't be allowed.
I'm sure it's clear to you, but based on the above I'm not quite sure what you mean.
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Post by Pinoc on Aug 7, 2022 8:39:17 GMT -5
Sounds like he does believe it should be allowed in those cases to me?
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Post by greghopper on Aug 7, 2022 9:17:31 GMT -5
Sounds like he does believe it should be allowed in those cases to me? Yes….I read it wrong 🤦♂️Thanks!
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Post by firstwd on Aug 7, 2022 10:03:13 GMT -5
Much like everybody screams about incorrect wording during the gun fight, there is also incorrect wording in this.
Pro-life is the correct term, I believe. Pro-abortion is not. That side is pro-choice. Just because someone believes an individual should have the right to make their own choice does not mean they are for abortion.
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Post by span870 on Aug 7, 2022 19:26:51 GMT -5
Much like everybody screams about incorrect wording during the gun fight, there is also incorrect wording in this. Pro-life is the correct term, I believe. Pro-abortion is not. That side is pro-choice. Just because someone believes an individual should have the right to make their own choice does not mean they are for abortion. Not saying this applies to your statement at all but had to put it somewhere so don't take it as im pointing at you. Heard a great statement that follows that the other day. Guy said, look I'm pro choice. I have no right to tell a woman what to do with her body. But you're still killing a baby
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Post by span870 on Aug 7, 2022 19:31:49 GMT -5
I work in a very liberal town with very liberal co workers. We've hashed this out. Most aren't irate with the decision, most are irate with the terms. I'd wager 90% would have been acceptable with 12 weeks as a maximum as 10 weeks is the average for miscarriage going by an informal poll. Not going either way but just giving the moderate swing vote side.
Just don't get why me being a "right wing" republican and them being "left wing" democrats can work it out to terms but politicians cant
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Post by firstwd on Aug 7, 2022 19:35:01 GMT -5
Much like everybody screams about incorrect wording during the gun fight, there is also incorrect wording in this. Pro-life is the correct term, I believe. Pro-abortion is not. That side is pro-choice. Just because someone believes an individual should have the right to make their own choice does not mean they are for abortion. Not saying this applies to your statement at all but had to put it somewhere so don't take it as im pointing at you. Heard a great statement that follows that the other day. Guy said, look I'm pro choice. I have no right to tell a woman what to do with her body. But you're still killing a baby Yes. To me, like a lot of things, this should be a personal choice. Unlike a lot of things, this particular choice is life changing and deeply personal and shouldn't be made blanketly by a bunch of old guys in suits.
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Post by firstwd on Aug 7, 2022 19:38:43 GMT -5
I work in a very liberal town with very liberal co workers. We've hashed this out. Most aren't irate with the decision, most are irate with the terms. I'd wager 90% would have been acceptable with 12 weeks as a maximum as 10 weeks is the average for miscarriage going by an informal poll. Not going either way but just giving the moderate swing vote side. Just don't get why me being a "right wing" republican and them being "left wing" democrats can work it out to terms but politicians cant Indiana is currently at 22 weeks, so I agree some middle ground should have been found. Does anybody have actual numbers as to how many abortions are preformed a year here? If nothing else, I think this should have been a ballot question. I feel the same way about a lot of major issues.
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