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Post by shinglemonkey on Nov 7, 2006 18:51:59 GMT -5
You guys are talking about 3 or 4 guys who took the chance to invest their money to start compaines. I do not know if they are making money or not but that is there business.
It really amazes me that you guys want to tell other people what they can do with there land.
If it bothers you that bad get change your priorties and buy some land, get a second job(or first) and make the sacrafices that the land owers have made.
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Post by Old Ironsights on Nov 7, 2006 18:56:37 GMT -5
Gator: MC is right on the Lake - about 100mi from Peru and completely within the "North of 94" Bow-only Urban Deer Zone. Some pretty big deer up here - judging from the hoofprints in the mud I saw at a construction site today, but so far I haven't been able to shoot any.
Of course, one reason could be because I just bought a bow for the first time in 25 years and haven't tuned/shot it yet.
But aside from that, I'm new enough to the area that I'm just trying to find/talk to land owners for permission to hunt... and timex's vision of the way hunting should be is making that harder for me.
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Post by Old Ironsights on Nov 7, 2006 19:00:23 GMT -5
You guys are talking about 3 or 4 guys who took the chance to invest their money to start compaines. I do not know if they are making money or not but that is there business. It really amazes me that you guys want to tell other people what they can do with there land. If it bothers you that bad get change your priorties and buy some land, get a second job(or first) and make the sacrafices that the land owers have made. I have a second job - it's called taking care of a disabled spouse - and it's largely the reason I don't have a higher paying job in the first place. The problem here, Monkey, is that we are not just dealing with the land owner's land, but with the State Resource of Game Animals. That changes the rules. When the State says that a land owner also owns the deer, then, and only then, will you have a point.
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Post by shinglemonkey on Nov 7, 2006 19:05:56 GMT -5
Are you kidding me?
should the owner send the state a bill for the feed of the deer.
If you need the deer to feed your family let me know, I will be more than glad to give you all you want.
If you hunt for fun, then you can hunt the state properties that we have for free.
Woody loves me alot ;D
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2006 19:11:28 GMT -5
Form a group and pool the money or hunt public. Your choice. As for how much Basecamp might make, it's about 25% of the lease price. Out of that they buy the insurance, which costs them about 15 cents an acre. No wonder leasing is soo expensive! Fifteen whole cents an acre! Highway robbery!! Insirance runs anywhere from 14 cents an acre to as much as 25 cents an acre, depending ont he number of acres. Most companies have a $250 minimum before they will issue a policy. That adds to the cost, but the landowners like it.
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Post by steiny on Nov 7, 2006 19:11:38 GMT -5
Sheesh ! Sounds like democratic headquarters ..... Let's regulate what a man can do with his personal property and spread his good blessings out among the common folk.
Newsflash ..... those state's resources (deer) you refer to wouldn't be there to start with if the private landowner had not chosen to provide some habitat at his own expense. He darned well ought to have a say in who is able to shoot deer on his ground, and ought to be able to charge for the privledge of access as much as he see's fit.
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Post by shinglemonkey on Nov 7, 2006 19:14:18 GMT -5
Next up on the agenda is leasing farming rights out to other farmers....LOL
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2006 19:16:18 GMT -5
Nobody leases a deer, they can't they belong to the state. What they lease is a right to hunt those deer on a certain tract of land.
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Post by greghopper on Nov 7, 2006 19:17:23 GMT -5
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ONE MORE TIME.
The next personal shot that I see taken the thread will be closed.
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Post by shinglemonkey on Nov 7, 2006 19:32:02 GMT -5
woody loves me ;D
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Post by Old Ironsights on Nov 7, 2006 22:48:15 GMT -5
Are you kidding me? should the owner send the state a bill for the feed of the deer. If you need the deer to feed your family let me know, I will be more than glad to give you all you want. If you hunt for fun, then you can hunt the state properties that we have for free. So because you have to take care of a spouse you feel thats your reason for not having the money to make leasing land your first priority? Weak. You, sir, have lost what little respect I had for you and your intelligence. Doing what is Right will never be "weak". You have shown your true colors and proven beyond a shadow of a doubt exactly what kind of people advocate and agitate for the big leasing conglomerates. A personal insult I can manage, but your Trollish behavior goes beyond the pale and utterly exceeds any form of taste or decorum. I have been and stayed married to a woman with Level I BiPolar Disorder for 13 years. You have no Right or moral authority to tell me what I am doing is "weak". <EDIT of personal remark>
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Post by cambygsp on Nov 8, 2006 5:55:23 GMT -5
No wonder leasing is soo expensive! Fifteen whole cents an acre! Highway robbery!! Insirance runs anywhere from 14 cents an acre to as much as 25 cents an acre, depending ont he number of acres. Most companies have a $250 minimum before they will issue a policy. That adds to the cost, but the landowners like it. If the landowner allowed FREE access, they wouldnt need the insurance....right? Don't we have state laws that protect landowners from liability if they allow FREE access to hunters? Not trying to say do away with leasing, just making a point that landowners that allow free access are protected by state law and don't need insurance
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Post by solohunter on Nov 8, 2006 7:05:32 GMT -5
Insirance runs anywhere from 14 cents an acre to as much as 25 cents an acre, depending ont he number of acres. Most companies have a $250 minimum before they will issue a policy. That adds to the cost, but the landowners like it. If the landowner allowed FREE access, they wouldnt need the insurance....right? Don't we have state laws that protect landowners from liability if they allow FREE access to hunters? Not trying to say do away with leasing, just making a point that landowners that allow free access are protected by state law and don't need insurance FYI...I know some hunters who lost their hunting access for fear of litigation by an insurance company. They had signed a release form also. Insurance companies may sue, it may not be the hunter himself. The land owner met with an attorney and decided it was risky. I know of an instance locally here where a man was hurt trimming trees, he didn't sue the landowner, but his insurance company did. Paying or free, there is risk. In the future it may be wise for landowners to require a hunter to carry an additional policy , such as one sold by Combined Insurance that covers ATVs, hunting etc.... or access may not be allowed.....sad but true. Solohunter
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Post by drs on Nov 8, 2006 8:13:40 GMT -5
Gator, The best of luck to you, on your hunting trip here in Indiana! ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png) Go get that Big Buck now!! ;D Have a safe trip & Hunt.
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Post by shinglemonkey on Nov 8, 2006 17:36:10 GMT -5
Thats what happens when you put personal info on the net. I dont advocate lease companys. I do advocate ones rights to do with what one sees fit of his own personal property. I would guess that the ones that cry the loudest about leasing are the ones that do not own any property other than the 1/5 of an acre that there house sits on. Gotta go look for some more friends, seems I have an opening ![::)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/eyesroll.png) Are you kidding me? should the owner send the state a bill for the feed of the deer. If you need the deer to feed your family let me know, I will be more than glad to give you all you want. If you hunt for fun, then you can hunt the state properties that we have for free. So because you have to take care of a spouse you feel thats your reason for not having the money to make leasing land your first priority? Weak. You, sir, have lost what little respect I had for you and your intelligence. Doing what is Right will never be "weak". You have shown your true colors and proven beyond a shadow of a doubt exactly what kind of people advocate and agitate for the big leasing conglomerates. A personal insult I can manage, but your Trollish behavior goes beyond the pale and utterly exceeds any form of taste or decorum. I have been and stayed married to a woman with Level I BiPolar Disorder for 13 years. You have no Right or moral authority to tell me what I am doing is "weak". <EDIT of personal remark>
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Post by raporter on Nov 8, 2006 19:44:18 GMT -5
Gator, The best of luck to you, on your hunting trip here in Indiana! ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png) Go get that Big Buck now!! ;D Have a safe trip & Hunt. My thoughts exactly. Welcome to Indiana Gator.
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Post by hunter480 on Nov 8, 2006 19:59:59 GMT -5
Sheesh ! Sounds like democratic headquarters ..... Let's regulate what a man can do with his personal property and spread his good blessings out among the common folk. Newsflash ..... those state's resources (deer) you refer to wouldn't be there to start with if the private landowner had not chosen to provide some habitat at his own expense. He darned well ought to have a say in who is able to shoot deer on his ground, and ought to be able to charge for the privledge of access as much as he see's fit. Chill out dude-have you been reading at all? NO ONE here said the landowner shouldn`t be able to lease his property-we simply don`t like the middleman, such as BC. READ before you post.
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Post by TagTeamHunter on Nov 8, 2006 21:08:59 GMT -5
If the landowner allowed FREE access, they wouldnt need the insurance....right? Don't we have state laws that protect landowners from liability if they allow FREE access to hunters? Not trying to say do away with leasing, just making a point that landowners that allow free access are protected by state law and don't need insurance According to Indiana Code 14-22-10-2, an owner, tenant, lessee, or occupant of a tract of land does not assume responsibility or incur liability for injuries to hunters, anglers, and trappers while in the act of, or preparing to hunt, fish, or trap on the land, provided that the injury was not caused by a malicious or illegal act of the owner or occupant. For more information, contact the Division of Law Enforcement at (317) 232-401 Page 11 Current DNR Hunting Guide. I'm no lawyer but this seems to protect the Land Owner from being sued by the Insurance Companies.
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Post by shinglemonkey on Nov 9, 2006 14:16:17 GMT -5
Basecamp doesnt make any money if they dont lease the ground...so if they are leasing the land and making the money the rates must not be too high.
you guys live in the land of give "ME"
What can "I" get given to "ME"
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Post by hunter480 on Nov 9, 2006 15:06:46 GMT -5
Basecamp doesnt make any money if they dont lease the ground...so if they are leasing the land and making the money the rates must not be too high. you guys live in the land of give "ME" What can "I" get given to "ME" You are entitled to your opinion.
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