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Post by LawrenceCoBowhunter on Nov 1, 2006 16:03:26 GMT -5
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Post by Hoosier Hunter on Nov 1, 2006 16:25:19 GMT -5
Wow, I was thinking they had 5 pages of properties last year.
I leased from them 3 years ago. They had 120 acre place just 1/2 mile down my road and they wanted $3000. I called and asked BCL if they'd take less and they said no. This was 1 week before the gun opener. So I called the land owner direct and told him if he had interest in anything less and he said sure make an offer. So I called BCL back up and told them I had talked to land owner and he'd consider any offers. BCL was a little hot but ended up they leased to me for $1000. That split several ways wasn't too bad.
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Post by Hawkeye on Nov 1, 2006 16:35:41 GMT -5
After I moved to Indiana in june 2005 I looked at several properties that base camp had for lease. several were not as advertised ,the two that I liked were so high priced could not afford, and could not find other hunters to go on the lease with me.. I would think Base camp would keep a list of hunters looking to lease property in a given area, and put them in contact with each other., that way several hunters could pool there funds and lease a nice property no such thing in place.
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Post by hunter480 on Nov 1, 2006 17:36:02 GMT -5
I`m not a proponent of leasing to begin with, but.......
If I were going to lease, I wouldn`t go through BCL or any other company-I`d deal directly with the landowner.
I`m not surprised that they`ve had misleading advertising, but they`re also going to drive the price of the leases way up. I don`t like the idea of leasing, but if it has to happen, it should at least be kept as reasonably priced as possible, and having a middle man isn`t going to do that.
Woody-How about a new thread that land owners can use to list land they have available to lease? With all the members here, they would get the word-of-mouth out over a huge area-it would be free for the landowner and maybe keep the pricing a little more reasonable.
Actually, I`m surprised the DNR doesn`t have a place on their website for landowners to do this.
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Post by Hawkeye on Nov 1, 2006 17:42:56 GMT -5
Actually we have a thread for leasing. I agree DNR could do much to help hunters and land owners with hunting property and cut out the middle man.
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Post by steiny on Nov 1, 2006 18:29:32 GMT -5
What is the problem with basecamp? Nobody holds a gun to anyone's head and makes them lease ground. Lot's of folks don't have time to go beating doors looking for ground to lease. Basecamp fills a need for both the hunter and the landowner. Not much different than a realtor renting apartments, actually.
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Post by Old Ironsights on Nov 1, 2006 19:11:18 GMT -5
Unless you are priced out of the "Market" by the scalpers.
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Post by Hawkeye on Nov 1, 2006 19:40:53 GMT -5
What is the problem with basecamp? Nobody holds a gun to anyone's head and makes them lease ground. Lot's of folks don't have time to go beating doors looking for ground to lease. Basecamp fills a need for both the hunter and the landowner. Not much different than a realtor renting apartments, actually. I agree agents like Base camp serves a need, But unlike the realtor who can only charge a reasonable rate . The big problem I see with most leasing agents is the markup from what the farmer,land owner will get for hunting rights to his property, and what the leasing agent gets for the lease. Farmers I talked to said on many occasions the mark up was over 50%. What is happening here in Indiana as well as other states is that the average hunter is going to be unable to afford land to hunt on.
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Post by hunter480 on Nov 1, 2006 20:30:46 GMT -5
What is the problem with basecamp? Nobody holds a gun to anyone's head and makes them lease ground. Lot's of folks don't have time to go beating doors looking for ground to lease. Basecamp fills a need for both the hunter and the landowner. Not much different than a realtor renting apartments, actually. I disagree-I`m gonna guess most guys have more time to go knocking on doors than they do money to throw at the middle man. And-the DNR could help make arrangements between land owners and prospective lesseeās to facilitate the meeting. It`s just my opinion-and falls into my philosophical disagreement with leasing anyway-that outfits like Base Camp are not necessary, and I`d like to see a lot more deals made-since that is the way things seem to be going, just the land owner and the hunter. We don`t need no stinkin` middleman. ;D
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Post by DEERTRACKS on Nov 2, 2006 6:54:38 GMT -5
Some pretty salty prices.
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Post by drs on Nov 2, 2006 8:18:50 GMT -5
After viewing this excellent & informative thread. I think we're going to loose our sport hunting very soon, unless things change. Most, if not all average Hunters, simply can't afford the fees these outfits charge. What happens if one does pay these greatly inflated prices and then something happens that they can't hunt that season due to illness or a family matter??? Will "Basecamp" refund the Hunter's money?
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Post by dbd870 on Nov 2, 2006 9:06:32 GMT -5
Pricey indeed.
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Post by drs on Nov 2, 2006 10:43:27 GMT -5
What is the problem with basecamp? Nobody holds a gun to anyone's head and makes them lease ground. Lot's of folks don't have time to go beating doors looking for ground to lease. Basecamp fills a need for both the hunter and the landowner. Not much different than a realtor renting apartments, actually. steiny, What you have here is a "Cartel" of sorts buying up or locking up all the available hunting land, that was once available for the average Hunter. While I am for free enterprise, this thing that "Basecamp" & others are doing amounts to becomming a Monopoly of sorts where these operations undermine the State's ability to control the sport of hunting in a fair manner and also undermines their ability to manage wildlife properly. I think, when businesses incorporate the use of a game animal, belonging to the people of a given state, then it should be outlawed. This leasing cancer if allowed to expand and grow; it could very well cause much acts of violence, where those who lost hunting grounds will make trouble in the areas that are leased. This is something I don't want to see happening to our sport of hunting.
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Post by Old Ironsights on Nov 2, 2006 17:19:01 GMT -5
drs: You are absolutely correct.
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Post by steiny on Nov 2, 2006 19:04:54 GMT -5
Regarding the prices they charge ..... If they were truly "too high", then they would not be able to get them leased at those rates. The market is, whatever it is. Obviously there are plenty of folks willing to pay what they charge, as it appears they are doing a good business.
Regarding pricing the average dude out, I don't buy that theory either. They offer plenty of leases in the $1000 - $2000 range that could be split between 2-3 hunters. That's pretty darned cheap for three months worth of deer hunting, plus whatever other sports you do on the leased land. Most guys easily pizz that much money away every year at their hobbies.
Another point ...... If Basecamp is hitting such a home run on these deals, why doesn't some other person get into this racket and get filthy rich. If your humanitarian side tells you you can't live with all that profit, why not offer the leases at half the price of Basecamp's rates? You'll feel better and be helping the sport.
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Post by hunter480 on Nov 2, 2006 20:14:51 GMT -5
Regarding the prices they charge ..... If they were truly "too high", then they would not be able to get them leased at those rates. The market is, whatever it is. Obviously there are plenty of folks willing to pay what they charge, as it appears they are doing a good business. Regarding pricing the average dude out, I don't buy that theory either. They offer plenty of leases in the $1000 - $2000 range that could be split between 2-3 hunters. That's pretty darned cheap for three months worth of deer hunting, plus whatever other sports you do on the leased land. Most guys easily pizz that much money away every year at their hobbies. Another point ...... If Basecamp is hitting such a home run on these deals, why doesn't some other person get into this racket and get filthy rich. If your humanitarian side tells you you can't live with all that profit, why not offer the leases at half the price of Basecamp's rates? You'll feel better and be helping the sport. It`s certainly the way our capitalist society works-making a profit. I`ll just say-prostitutes are only earning a living as well-but we don`t need them in business either. ;D
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Post by Woody Williams on Nov 2, 2006 20:29:30 GMT -5
Regarding the prices they charge ..... If they were truly "too high", then they would not be able to get them leased at those rates. The market is, whatever it is. Obviously there are plenty of folks willing to pay what they charge, as it appears they are doing a good business. Regarding pricing the average dude out, I don't buy that theory either. They offer plenty of leases in the $1000 - $2000 range that could be split between 2-3 hunters. That's pretty darned cheap for three months worth of deer hunting, plus whatever other sports you do on the leased land. Most guys easily pizz that much money away every year at their hobbies. Another point ...... If Basecamp is hitting such a home run on these deals, why doesn't some other person get into this racket and get filthy rich. If your humanitarian side tells you you can't live with all that profit, why not offer the leases at half the price of Basecamp's rates? You'll feel better and be helping the sport. It`s certainly the way our capitalist society works-making a profit. I`ll just say-prostitutes are only earning a living as well-but we don`t need them in business either. ;D Prostitution is against the law. Free enterprise isn't. I don't like it, but if there is no law against there is nothing we can do EXCEPT don't pay them. .
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Post by hunter480 on Nov 2, 2006 21:07:54 GMT -5
It`s certainly the way our capitalist society works-making a profit. I`ll just say-prostitutes are only earning a living as well-but we don`t need them in business either. ;D Prostitution is against the law. Free enterprise isn't. I don't like it, but if there is no law against there is nothing we can do EXCEPT don't pay them. . Absolutely. And I can certainly share my opinion that I don`t like `em.
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Post by racktracker on Nov 2, 2006 21:07:56 GMT -5
we are headed down a very slippery path and the end result is deer hunting will be for the wealthy only.
It will be Europe all over again. The "King" will own the deer.
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Post by hunter480 on Nov 2, 2006 21:11:19 GMT -5
we are headed down a very slippery path and the end result is deer hunting will be for the wealthy only. It will be Europe all over again. The "King" will own the deer. And THAT`S what I`ve been talking about
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