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Post by cambygsp on Nov 6, 2006 4:00:50 GMT -5
Looking over the Base camp leasing website I see hunting leases this year small and large in Indiana going for 15 to over 35 dollars per acre . I guess if you want to hunt as more land is leased and less land is available we can expect to pay 50 dollars per acre real soon. Looking at some of the photos at Basecamp, I would say your prob paying OVER 50.00 per HUNTABLE acre. Many of these places include cropland, that you really can't hunt. There are all kinds of folks turning hunting into a business, rather it's selling trophies or equipment of hunting access, it's all free enterprise and the American Way.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2006 4:44:20 GMT -5
Looking over the Base camp leasing website I see hunting leases this year small and large in Indiana going for 15 to over 35 dollars per acre . I guess if you want to hunt as more land is leased and less land is available we can expect to pay 50 dollars per acre real soon. Looking at some of the photos at Basecamp, I would say your prob paying OVER 50.00 per HUNTABLE acre. Many of these places include cropland, that you really can't hunt. There are all kinds of folks turning hunting into a business, rather it's selling trophies or equipment of hunting access, it's all free enterprise and the American Way. Deer eat crops, bed in crops and travel through crops. If you lease a tract for $50 an acre, it better be good. Some is, some isn't. One thing to remember is that all the properties on Basecamp's site are NOT leased yet. As for waste......who would have thought that someone would CHARGE a fellow American to pump his crap tank empty. Seems like a need that could be done for free? ![???](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/huh.png) Must be the American way?
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Post by drs on Nov 6, 2006 7:47:01 GMT -5
I agree with you here Greg. I also know that hunting in Indiana is going to become history very soon. I am 57 years old and most likely have about 15 more years of hunting left. I certainly feel sorry for Hunters that are in their early 20's & 30's as they are never going to know the hunting experiences that my generation has enjoyed. It is plain WRONG to turn a sport or past time into a Business venture so some one or group can get rich off it. Cartels like Basecamp & others are ruining our sport and the sad part the State does nothing about it.
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Post by paul3 on Nov 6, 2006 10:46:18 GMT -5
Timex, you got any more places up for lease next season? Im from out of state, but will manage it as well as any resident, as far as game taken. Nope, I've got hunters from Fla., La., Ga. and Tn. on spots though and they like what they have. I'll post up when something comes available. What about the Indiana hunters you say leasing helps. Sounds like your taking hunting land away from indiana hunters and leasing it to rich out of staters!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2006 10:56:48 GMT -5
Nope, I've got hunters from Fla., La., Ga. and Tn. on spots though and they like what they have. I'll post up when something comes available. What about the Indiana hunters you say leasing helps. Sounds like your taking hunting land away from indiana hunters and leasing it to rich out of staters! Anyone that wants to lease can lease. Residents included. Some, most aren't interested because of the different reason listed in this post. NR hunters don't seem to have those same problems.
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Post by Old Ironsights on Nov 6, 2006 11:34:31 GMT -5
Could it be that it's because NR hunters have Bigger Bankrolls - by default? Naah. ![::)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/eyesroll.png)
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Post by hunter480 on Nov 6, 2006 14:10:13 GMT -5
Looking at some of the photos at Basecamp, I would say your prob paying OVER 50.00 per HUNTABLE acre. Many of these places include cropland, that you really can't hunt. There are all kinds of folks turning hunting into a business, rather it's selling trophies or equipment of hunting access, it's all free enterprise and the American Way. Deer eat crops, bed in crops and travel through crops. If you lease a tract for $50 an acre, it better be good. Some is, some isn't. One thing to remember is that all the properties on Basecamp's site are NOT leased yet. As for waste......who would have thought that someone would CHARGE a fellow American to pump his crap tank empty. Seems like a need that could be done for free? ![???](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/huh.png) Must be the American way? Bravo timex-YOU yourself have hit the nail on the head with your CRAP analagy.
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Post by drs on Nov 6, 2006 14:59:45 GMT -5
You know, a lot of leaseholders are going to be very angry, after paying out big bucks, if they find out the area, they leased for Deer hunting, had many Deer, that died from EPIZOOTIC HEMORRHAGIC DISEASE. They just may not see the amount of Deer they were expecting as per the information they received by the outfitter or leasor.
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Post by Decatur on Nov 6, 2006 15:05:44 GMT -5
I looked at one of the leases from BCL 2 years ago in Jay county. I liked it alot, but when I took a buddy to look at it with me, it had a for sale sign on the propety. That farm stayed listed for 4 more months on the BCL website. I wonder what would have happened if I would have leased it and then the property changed hands?
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Post by drs on Nov 6, 2006 15:26:40 GMT -5
I looked at one of the leases from BCL 2 years ago in Jay county. I liked it alot, but when I took a buddy to look at it with me, it had a for sale sign on the propety. That farm stayed listed for 4 more months on the BCL website. I wonder what would have happened if I would have leased it and then the property changed hands? You would have, most likely, lost your leasing fee.
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Post by Hawkeye on Nov 6, 2006 17:01:18 GMT -5
Lease Question .Say for instance you pay a leasing agent seven thousand five hundred dollars for a 300 acre hunting lease. What percentage of that amount do you think the farmer realizes?.
Leasing agents care to answer?
Do most leasing agents set a uniform percentage?
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Post by Decatur on Nov 6, 2006 17:11:27 GMT -5
Lease Question .Say for instance you pay a leasing agent seven thousand five hundred dollars for a 300 acre hunting lease. What percentage of that amount do you think the farmer realizes?. Leasing agents care to answer? Do most leasing agents set a uniform percentage? Very good question! I would be very interested to know the answer.
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Post by steiny on Nov 6, 2006 18:45:48 GMT -5
Who care how much the farmer gets and how much the lease agent gets, so long as they and the hunter client are all happy with the deal. Profit is not a dirty word.
For those crying about hunting being turned into a business, I've got news for you .... This has been going on for hundreds of years. Sportsmen have turned to and paid guides, outfitters, etc. since the beginning of sport hunting to get them into game rich areas where they would have a good opportunity to harvest game and trophies. Fred Bear, Jack O'Conner, Roy Weatherby, Chuck Adams, John Browning, Peter Capstick, and all the other big shot names and heros in the hunting scene have contributed to the commercialization of hunting at one time or another, as have all of you and I. Everytime you buy a hunting DVD, watch a hunting show, buy a name brand hunting product, etc., you are involved in the commercialization of hunting. People invoved in the hunting industry offer products and services, and anybody that spends $$ with them is just as gulty as the next when it comes to commercializing hunting.
For that matter, websites like this in the mainstream media, which we all chat away on contribute to the commercialization of hunting. Look at the advertisements on here. Do those folks provide services for free?
So cry about your sacred sport being commercialized all you want, but we are all guilty, and it's been going on for a real long time. Just so happens that it might be getting a little closer or deeper into a few folks pocket books than it has in the past, so folks are getting riled.
You gotta pay to play. Quit hunting if you don't like the current situation. I can assure you it won't get any easier or cheaper, and there will be plenty of good sports to jump right in, when one jumps out.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2006 18:55:08 GMT -5
You know, a lot of leaseholders are going to be very angry, after paying out big bucks, if they find out the area, they leased for Deer hunting, had many Deer, that died from EPIZOOTIC HEMORRHAGIC DISEASE. They just may not see the amount of Deer they were expecting as per the information they received by the outfitter or leasor. That's crazy. Lease holders know deer as well as you or I. Blue tongue kills a few every year, never kills them all. Nice try, just doesn't factor in.
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Post by shinglemonkey on Nov 6, 2006 19:05:00 GMT -5
Lease Question .Say for instance you pay a leasing agent seven thousand five hundred dollars for a 300 acre hunting lease. What percentage of that amount do you think the farmer realizes?. Leasing agents care to answer? Do most leasing agents set a uniform percentage? As a owner of a business, what I make is my bidness not yours.
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Post by Hawkeye on Nov 6, 2006 20:09:52 GMT -5
Some times you can find out what you want to know even if your questions are not answered.I thought that question might touch a nerve, that is one reason why I brought it up. I just thought if Leasing agents are good for every one involved it would be good to know if every one including the farmer is getting a fair shake. Guess I can ask some of the farmers who have used leasing agents.
I really do not have a problem with the overall concept of leasing.Iam very familiar with the good points of leasing. I have leased hunting rights as far back as 1975 in Texas And Florida and as recent as this year here in Indiana after retiring . But have always dealt direct with the landowner or farmer and have always felt we both got a good deal.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2006 20:31:36 GMT -5
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Post by Old Ironsights on Nov 6, 2006 22:33:20 GMT -5
Some times you can find out what you want to know even if your questions are not answered. Yep. It's very obvious who is more concerned about their wallet than the Sport or Tradition of hunting. To Hell with the Plebes. It's the Nobility who can Pay. And after they've got theirs and are long dead? Who cares? They've made their buck.
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Post by Gator on Nov 7, 2006 0:07:17 GMT -5
Could it be that it's because NR hunters have Bigger Bankrolls - by default? Naah. ![::)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/eyesroll.png) Not this one brother...Less then 40,000 a year, just willing to save and work hard for it and then come up there as a reward of my hard work...Its about priorities and how you live. You dont have to be rich to lease...
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2006 0:39:13 GMT -5
Could it be that it's because NR hunters have Bigger Bankrolls - by default? Naah. ![::)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/eyesroll.png) Not this one brother...Less then 40,000 a year, just willing to save and work hard for it and then come up there as a reward of my hard work...Its about priorities and how you live. You dont have to be rich to lease... Exactly.....got to have priorities. Good post.
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