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Post by 76chevy on Apr 7, 2011 15:51:12 GMT -5
;D ;D ;D You have to admit though, it's kind of funny to hear a guy that shoots a tricked out compound tell a guy that hunts with traditional archery that he thinks bowhunting is too tough. ;D ....
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Post by swilk on Apr 7, 2011 15:54:05 GMT -5
How many crossbow shooters have you seen that can do 1" @ 80 yards? None.
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Post by mattfinney on Apr 7, 2011 17:00:50 GMT -5
and that's why they should NOT be allowed in IN archery season?? they just too accurate and effective to harvest deer with?? what gives, man?? If you think that I'm against crossbows being used to hunt deer, you've completely misunderstood the point I'm trying to get across.....probably my fault, as I'm certainly no journalist. I just feel that they are too accurate and effective to be included into archery season, especially if you look back to when and why archery season first came about. I think that crossbows definitely have a place in our current season structure, and I could support some expansion, but to simply lump crossbows in with archery, I can't get behind. I'm all for handicapped use of crossbows, and if I lose the ability to draw a bow, I can GUARANTEE you, I'll be hunting with a crossbow. Call me mean, call me evil, call me selfish, call me whatever you want, but I just don't mind keeping archery season restricted to hand-drawn, hand-held, bows.
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Post by mattfinney on Apr 7, 2011 17:55:42 GMT -5
;D ;D ;D You have to admit though, it's kind of funny to hear a guy that shoots a tricked out compound tell a guy that hunts with traditional archery that he thinks bowhunting is too tough. ;D .... Yeah, but only one of us isn't crying about not being allowed to use our crossbows during archery season. ;D
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Post by gobblerstopper on Apr 7, 2011 18:09:41 GMT -5
You're crying because everyone is going to be able to use their crossbows during bow season...who's allowed to cry and who is not?
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Post by Russ Koon on Apr 7, 2011 18:40:13 GMT -5
I agree completely, Matt.
I've been shooting about twice as long as you, most of those years including competitive archery indoors during the winters as well as outdoors at both field and 3D most weekends during the warmer months, and lots of practice hours.
Nearly all was done with my hunting gear, except a few years when I shot indoor leagues with a target recurve, long ago.
WRT the tremendous shooters who hang out where some of our posters shoot, I can only envy them the experience of seeing those guys shoot. Best archer I've been able to watch shoot seriously is Darren Christenberry. Darren's a great guy and his accomplishments are well documented. I've watched Darren shoot perfect 300-60X rounds a couple of times, but it was always with his target gear. And of course, they were shot at twenty yards indoors, with no wind to deal with.
Wonder if Darren Knows how lucky he is that none of those guys care to turn pro and put him out to pasture 8^)
BTW, the X-ring on the standard NFAA 300 round target measures an inch and a half in diameter. The quarter I had in my pocket measured 15/16's of an inch. That makes the area of the X-ring just over two and a half times the area of a quarter.
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Post by duff on Apr 7, 2011 18:45:02 GMT -5
Same old stuff different day...I've seen a trad shooter without sights hit some increadibly long shots on a consistent basis from 50 to 100 yards. I never could but he sure did! Compound shooters can easily do the same. I have not been around 3D shoots for a long time but I remember guys shooting 100yd shots on the regular. Probably 15 years ago. These guys were no "staff shooters" just loved to shoot their bows. If Staff Shooters are like Pro Staffers that is just glorified salesmen, not much skill involved other then selling products.
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Post by fullrut on Apr 7, 2011 18:54:15 GMT -5
Same old stuff different day...I've seen a trad shooter without sights hit some increadibly long shots on a consistent basis from 50 to 100 yards. I never could but he sure did! Compound shooters can easily do the same. I have not been around 3D shoots for a long time but I remember guys shooting 100yd shots on the regular. Probably 15 years ago. These guys were no "staff shooters" just loved to shoot their bows. If Staff Shooters are like Pro Staffers that is just glorified salesmen, not much skill involved other then selling products. DUFF......You are the exception......You are someone who I take their word to the bank......Thanks for posting.......As for the others......WELL!!!!!! HA HA
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Post by swilk on Apr 7, 2011 18:59:22 GMT -5
An old saying ... something about a Christmas Goose.
Have a nice day.
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Post by Woody Williams on Apr 7, 2011 19:14:20 GMT -5
I’ve been gone all day helping Woodmaster on his river/deer camp. Looks like you all have been busy. The thread is about Don’s petition, not crossbows season expansion. I do have a few points to make and then you all can have it as long as you all play nice. Matt, I understand where you are coming from. There was a fight back 39 years against the likes of you that wanted to use a bow with wheels. Not really a REAL bow. Some say the compound still isn’t a REAL bow. Did I miss the memo where good accuracy is now a negative in any form of hunting? I thought we all strived for good accuracy out of our hunting tools? If you think that crossbows are too accurate to be included in the early archery seasons maybe it is the vertical bows are not accurate enough? Or maybe the accuracy of a hunting tool really depends on who is shooting it? Sorry Matt, but your “too accurate statement” is about the dumbest thing I have ever seen posted in a crossbow debate. Believe me I have seen a LOT of dumb ones, but that one wins first prize. Sure we saw the video of the 100 yard shot by the fellow shooting the crossbow. He is a member of a long range (rifle) shooting club. I’ll bet you any amount of money that you want to wager that you or anyone else on this site can't take a crossbow and duplicate his shooting. BTW – how many shots did he REALLY take to get that group? There are tons of youtube videos of like shots with a compound. Maybe all archery equipment is “too accurate”. Maybe we need to just use equipment that is not "accurate." Yeah, lets keep deer season to equipment that is less accurate. Now since a huge majority of deer are still bow shot 20 yards and under, just how much accuracy does one really need to plug a deer in the vitals at that yardage? In all states that have crossbows in the archery seasons and issue data on both, the success rate is virtually equal, so where is this huge advantage that you think there is? Now a couple questions: 1) Please point out ANY state that has had a negative impact in the bowhunting season or to the resource after crossbows were allowed in the archery season. Just name one. 2) Please tell me how a bowhunter over on the next 40 will negatively impact your bowhunting if he is using a crossbow instead of an all bells and whistles , high let off, high tech compound. Yeah, you're right Duff.
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Post by swilk on Apr 7, 2011 19:38:10 GMT -5
Definitely seen archers do some amazing things. Just not buying a bunch of guys consistantly shooting quarters at 80 yards.
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Post by throbak on Apr 7, 2011 19:45:17 GMT -5
There are Masters of BS also guys ;D
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Post by greghopper on Apr 7, 2011 20:05:18 GMT -5
Definitely seen archers do some amazing things. Just not buying a bunch of guys consistantly shooting quarters at 80 yards. Who said that...
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Post by mattfinney on Apr 7, 2011 20:46:31 GMT -5
Now a couple questions: 1) Please point out ANY state that has had a negative impact in the bow hunting season or to the resource after crossbows were allowed in the archery season. Just name one. 2) Please tell me how a bow hunter over on the next 40 will negatively impact your bow hunting if he is using a crossbow instead of an all bells and whistles , high let off, high tech compound. Time for some cold, hard, ugly, and uncomfortable,,,, truth (or at least my version…right?). All deer hunters want to shoot a buck. All deer hunters want to shoot a big buck. Not all deer hunters are willing to pass smaller bucks, but all would prefer that the first deer that step out, be a nice and mature buck. Having a large racked buck step into view, is a seen that deer hunters dream about and there is absolutely nothing wrong with that. Don’t get me wrong, I like shooting does as much as any guy, but I’d be lying if I said I didn’t cherish an opportunity at a mature buck many times more. Hunting mature bucks is why people lease and buy recreational hunting land, and many consider buck population and buck age structure to be high on the list of factors in determining the level of quality of deer hunting in a given area. “How do crossbows relate to all of this?” you might ask. With the introduction of crossbows, we will be putting more pressure on our buck population during the time when they are most vulnerable, that is, the time of peak seeking and chasing leading up to peak breeding, which normally occurs in early to mid-November. We will do this by drastically increasing the effective range of many hunters, and we will also likely add hunters to the October and early November woods, all of which will result in increased pressure on our buck population. Which, when you consider the amount of money that is spent on deer hunting licenses, at the retail stores, on food plots, and leasing, etc….. bucks are really the most valuable part of Indiana’s deer resource…..not my opinion, just reality. If you go decreasing the quality of the herd by removing excessive bucks, it’s bad for the resource. Again, I’m fine with keeping archery season restricted to hand-held, hand-drawn, bows. I also think that its good for people to have to work at something a little bit, and that some things should be earned. Again, I could support some crossbow season expansion, but not full inclusion. I know, I know, everybody’s gonna start screaming, “well what about OBR! OBR!” OBR is still temporary, and OBR alone doesn’t guarantee high quality deer herd. Hope that answers your questions Woody (really more requests, or demands, than questions though…).
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Post by greghopper on Apr 7, 2011 21:13:37 GMT -5
Now a couple questions: 1) Please point out ANY state that has had a negative impact in the bow hunting season or to the resource after crossbows were allowed in the archery season. Just name one. 2) Please tell me how a bow hunter over on the next 40 will negatively impact your bow hunting if he is using a crossbow instead of an all bells and whistles , high let off, high tech compound. Time for some cold, hard, ugly, and uncomfortable,,,, truth (or at least my version…right?). All deer hunters want to shoot a buck. All deer hunters want to shoot a big buck. Not all deer hunters are willing to pass smaller bucks, but all would prefer that the first deer that step out, be a nice and mature buck. Having a large racked buck step into view, is a seen that deer hunters dream about and there is absolutely nothing wrong with that. Don’t get me wrong, I like shooting does as much as any guy, but I’d be lying if I said I didn’t cherish an opportunity at a mature buck many times more. Hunting mature bucks is why people lease and buy recreational hunting land, and many consider buck population and buck age structure to be high on the list of factors in determining the level of quality of deer hunting in a given area. “How do crossbows relate to all of this?” you might ask. With the introduction of crossbows, we will be putting more pressure on our buck population during the time when they are most vulnerable, that is, the time of peak seeking and chasing leading up to peak breeding, which normally occurs in early to mid-November. We will do this by drastically increasing the effective range of many hunters, and we will also likely add hunters to the October and early November woods, all of which will result in increased pressure on our buck population. Which, when you consider the amount of money that is spent on deer hunting licenses, at the retail stores, on food plots, and leasing, etc….. bucks are really the most valuable part of Indiana’s deer resource…..not my opinion, just reality. If you go decreasing the quality of the herd by removing excessive bucks, it’s bad for the resource. Again, I’m fine with keeping archery season restricted to hand-held, hand-drawn, bows. I also think that its good for people to have to work at something a little bit, and that some things should be earned. Again, I could support some crossbow season expansion, but not full inclusion. I know, I know, everybody’s gonna start screaming, “well what about OBR! OBR!” OBR is still temporary, and OBR alone doesn’t guarantee high quality deer herd. Hope that answers your questions Woody (really more requests, or demands, than questions though…). BTW....How does all this fit in the "HERD REDUCTION PLAN"?
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Post by mattfinney on Apr 7, 2011 21:15:29 GMT -5
Just wondering what the hell SWILK has ever done thats worth mentioning? DO TELL!!!!!! Well, just from the few posts of his that I've read, I would say he tells the truth a lot, and is good at getting others to do the same....I think we could credit him with that....seems worth mentioning.....
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Post by indianahick on Apr 7, 2011 21:27:15 GMT -5
To bad you wasn't around when Blandford used to have it's archery shoot then you could have watched Bears White Knight shoot. Oh he shot with a recurve too. Compounds didn't exist yet.
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Post by 76chevy on Apr 7, 2011 21:54:40 GMT -5
Matt, First of all, I won't call you anything but a fellow sportsman and deer hunter regardless of what you believe about crossbows or the deer proposals. I thought being accurate and effective were good things? That's why we practice all summer and shoot the best archery equipment we can get our hands on, right? Xbows are no different...don't forget this plan is about herd reduction per the IN DNR. Getting more people in the woods with more effective weapons will get that done. and that's why they should NOT be allowed in IN archery season?? they just too accurate and effective to harvest deer with?? .... I just feel that they are too accurate and effective to be included into archery season......... Call me mean, call me evil, call me selfish, call me whatever you want, but I just don't mind keeping archery season restricted to hand-drawn, hand-held, bows.
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Post by jjas on Apr 7, 2011 23:09:09 GMT -5
Matt Finney
Man....someone better tell Ohio that they are screwing up their deer herd by allowing xbows in the general archery season.........
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Post by trapperdave on Apr 7, 2011 23:19:47 GMT -5
he's kool aide drunk
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