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Post by fullrut on Apr 5, 2011 18:58:55 GMT -5
As most of you know I own and operate a 3d archery range. This past Sunday we had a shoot and 220 shooters attended. One of the participants brought a petition sent to his bow shop from Mulligans vigilantes. I let him put it out at our sign in table. All 220 shooters saw it and had the opprutunity to sign it and NOT 1 DID. Mr Mulligan and his BOW HUNTING ELITE are trying everything they can to get proposal 2 eliminated. If you can't get 1 person out of 220 too sign this proposal(especially at a bow shoot), then you might as well give up. HOWEVER........I would say Mr. Mulligan finds alot of individuals to sign this B.S. Piece of paper.......MISINFORMED people will sign anything I suppose. I would say whoever is getting this petition BETTER check names. A few of the names I saw on the petition from the shop were Miles O' Tool, Jaw Breaker, Dom Delouise, and Jack Black......Your guess is as good as mine but I gotta wonder if these people really exist? ??
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2011 4:20:30 GMT -5
Great info, thanks for posting. Should help see the proposals get passed as written.
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Post by robwalker on Apr 6, 2011 6:10:50 GMT -5
shoulda just used the thing for a five spot.....
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Post by greghopper on Apr 6, 2011 6:15:00 GMT -5
As most of you know I own and operate a 3d archery range. This past Sunday we had a shoot and 220 shooters attended. One of the participants brought a petition sent to his bow shop from Mulligans vigilantes. I let him put it out at our sign in table. All 220 shooters saw it and had the opprutunity to sign it and NOT 1 DID. Mr Mulligan and his BOW HUNTING ELITE are trying everything they can to get proposal 2 eliminated. If you can't get 1 person out of 220 too sign this proposal(especially at a bow shoot), then you might as well give up. HOWEVER........I would say Mr. Mulligan finds alot of individuals to sign this B.S. Piece of paper.......MISINFORMED people will sign anything I suppose. I would say whoever is getting this petition BETTER check names. A few of the names I saw on the petition from the shop were Miles O' Tool, Jaw Breaker, Dom Delouise, and Jack Black......Your guess is as good as mine but I gotta wonder if these people really exist? ?? Yep that "petition" is floating around up "NORTH" also..... little birdie told me Wonder why he didn't have a "petition" for proposal 1.... http://www.protectindianaoutdoorsports.com./
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Post by buddylee on Apr 6, 2011 8:45:28 GMT -5
Hopefully the DNR and NRC will look closely at these so called petitions. There is nothing to stop an unscrupulous person from sitting down and making up a whole list of names. The phone book is full of names.There is nothing to stop anti-hunters and anti-hunter groups from signing on.No way is this in the best interest of game management in Indiana.
The NRC has an established and known process set up to take input. ANY deviation from the process should be discarded.
This joker is not only deviating from the input process, but is also trying to get the politicians involved behind the scenes.
GH,
No, we did not see any "organized opposition" from Don on proposal #1 as it did what he wanted - got rid of some gun hunters opportunity. Now he is using the "we don't have too many deer" as an excuse to oppose deer proposal #2. Deer proposal #2 has the same stated deer reduction goal as deer proposal #1 , but somehow Don said OK to #1 and no to #2. The man is a class A hypocrite.
Fullrut,
Surprised that you did not see the name "Mickey Mouse" on the petition as that is what this is.
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Post by 76chevy on Apr 6, 2011 9:17:29 GMT -5
surely the petition must be validated to hold any weight with the DNR or NRC??
some people will do anything to get there way no matter how low they must stoop....
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Post by 76chevy on Apr 6, 2011 9:21:14 GMT -5
H.... The NRC has an established and known process set up to take input. ANY deviation from the process should be discarded. ....
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Post by fullrut on Apr 6, 2011 9:42:57 GMT -5
You would think the names on any petition would have to be validated, but I can't imagine someone researching every name. I hope they do, but you gotta wonder.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2011 9:46:52 GMT -5
Just require any petition to include a hunting license number, I'd suspect a lot of Don's support won't have one.
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Post by mattfinney on Apr 6, 2011 9:52:28 GMT -5
The man is a class A hypocrite. I can assure you, anyone who disapproved of proposal 1, but supports proposal 2, is just as much of a hypocrite. Don said from the very beginning that he disagreed with the notion that we need to reduce our herd. No, he didn't cause a fuss about proposal 1, probably because it was based on sound conservation (from our biologists, not the NRC), and provided measures (although probably inadvertently) to retain, or possibly even improve, the quality of deer hunting here in Indiana. To those calling a Don a hypocrite, please take a long look in the mirror....
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Post by trapperdave on Apr 6, 2011 10:30:24 GMT -5
keep drinkin the kool-aid, Matt
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Post by racktracker on Apr 6, 2011 10:36:34 GMT -5
The man is a class A hypocrite. I can assure you, anyone who disapproved of proposal 1, but supports proposal 2, is just as much of a hypocrite. So, you are saying Don is a hypocrite?Don said from the very beginning that he disagreed with the notion that we need to reduce our herd. No, he didn't cause a fuss about proposal 1, probably because it was based on sound conservation (from our biologists, not the NRC), and provided measures (although probably inadvertently) to retain, or possibly even improve, the quality of deer hunting here in Indiana. No, it was not "based on sound conservation". Chad admitted that is was ALL experimental. IOW - what they were doing had never been done before. How "solid" is that?
Don bought in because it would shorten the gun season so he would not have to patrol his property as much.
Most reasonable Indiana deer hunters saw through this charade. You don't kill more deer by shortening the time to do it. End of story..To those calling a Don a hypocrite, please take a long look in the mirror.... See above.
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Post by racktracker on Apr 6, 2011 10:38:33 GMT -5
Just require any petition to include a hunting license number, I'd suspect a lot of Don's support won't have one. Yes sir.. maybe if they show their Peta or HSUS card..
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Post by buddylee on Apr 6, 2011 11:17:15 GMT -5
What Don does not understand that the NRC is seeking COMMENTS on the deer proposal not just a list of names for and against. IOW - they are not just counting noses. They are basing their decision on what the individual COMMENTS say and most importantly, what the DNR has proposed. Last I saw of the REAL NRC COMMENTS the positives have it. Chad said it would get the job done. IMO - Don is a publicity hound. Maybe he thinks it will sell more articles? What the NRC requires on the input. www.in.gov/legislative/iac/20100804-IR-312100484NRA.xml.pdf
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Post by indianahick on Apr 6, 2011 13:09:55 GMT -5
Dom Deloise- comedian from the 50's- 60's. Jack Black- Hollyweird actor/ activist.
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Post by fullrut on Apr 6, 2011 13:18:25 GMT -5
Dom Deloise- comedian from the 50's- 60's. Jack Black- Hollyweird actor/ activist. Thanks Indianahick, but who is Jaw Breaker and Miles O' Tool?
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Post by 76chevy on Apr 6, 2011 14:39:02 GMT -5
are you suggesting miles o'tool and jack black did not buy hunting licenses last year??? ;D ;D Just require any petition to include a hunting license number, I'd suspect a lot of Don's support won't have one.
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Post by 76chevy on Apr 6, 2011 14:42:55 GMT -5
The IN DNR came up with 2.0, without the input of all the special interest groups. In short, the IN DNR took ownership and drafted version 2.0!! Joe Bacon and company got their ego's bruised after 1.0 got shot down by the masses of IN deer hunters...now they are getting desperate The man is a class A hypocrite. I can assure you, anyone who disapproved of proposal 1, but supports proposal 2, is just as much of a hypocrite. Don said from the very beginning that he disagreed with the notion that we need to reduce our herd. No, he didn't cause a fuss about proposal 1, probably because it was based on sound conservation (from our biologists, not the NRC), and provided measures (although probably inadvertently) to retain, or possibly even improve, the quality of deer hunting here in Indiana. To those calling a Don a hypocrite, please take a long look in the mirror....
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Post by jjas on Apr 6, 2011 15:34:53 GMT -5
It would seem Don's petition isn't gaining much ground...big surprise (not).
I wonder if he will do what another person who disagrees vehemently with 2.0 is suggesting and try to corral the wealthy trophy bowhunters into leasing as much ground as possible to keep the evil xbows out of the woods during early archery (if 2.0 passes) so they can protect "their" bucks?
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Post by mattfinney on Apr 6, 2011 15:50:42 GMT -5
76,
I think that it has more to do with desperately trying to keep Indiana from taking a huge step in the wrong direction, than egos....just my guess though.
Believe it or not, that last proposal was not drafted by Joe Bacon.....In fact I believe it was the DNR that asked for stakeholder input in the first place, which pretty much gives them full ownership of both proposal 1 and 2, so I really don't see any relevance in your "ownership" reference.
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