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Post by gobblerstopper on Apr 7, 2011 13:51:23 GMT -5
You have to admit though, it's kind of funny to hear a guy that shoots a tricked out compound tell a guy that hunts with traditional archery that he thinks bowhunting is too tough.  ;D Finney, how old are you? |
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Post by mattfinney on Apr 7, 2011 13:58:06 GMT -5
Gobblerstopper, I'm the oldest man alive, and that's why I know everything.
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Post by fullrut on Apr 7, 2011 14:01:21 GMT -5
We used to have a money shot at my 3d range. The shot was around 80yds and the target was the 11 ring on a woodchuck. The 11 ring is the size of a quarter. We had lots of guys hit that shot every Sunday. We eventually did away with it because the money pot never built up and the shot wasn't challenging enough. I personally know guys who have killed deer out to 125yds with a bow. I would never even attempt that shot but beleive me their are alot of guys who can accomplish that shot. And before you go saying "WELL THOSE GUYS WHO HIT THE 11 RING AT 80 YDS ARE SHOOTING TARGET EQUIPMENT" No No No, most of those guys were shooting hunting setups. It aint that hard with a little practice.
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Post by randolphcounty on Apr 7, 2011 14:12:20 GMT -5
INDeerHunter.... I am with you, I don't see the Xbow as the deer killing machine that some make it out to be, I have gun hunted for years and just recently picked up a compound, all I can say on that is I wish I would have done it years ago...LOVE IT, in fact got bows for the whole family and we are having a blast...... Before getting my bow, I shot my uncles Xbow and figured out real quick it wasn't for me, certinly not what they are being made out to be by those wanting to keep them out of early archery season........
To me alot of what I hear boils down to ANTLERS and the desire to kill trophy bucks, now don't get me wrong, I have nothing against taking a wall hanger but I am not going to lobby to restrict other huntes, to better my chance of doing it, ....... lets see no Xbows in early archery, shorten and push back gun season, I have also heard talk of antler restrictions, and how Indiana has the potential to be a top trophy producing state, well ask the resident hunters of IL and IA how that has worked out for them.....
How many people would be in the woods if the bucks suddenly stopped growing antlers ?
The need to reduce the herd, they keep saying we need to but I don't see near the numbers I used to, and no one I have talked to from around the state does either......
Seems to be many agendas here, some hidden, some not........
Don't mean to offend anyone, just some of my thoughts, maybe others have had some of the same .... maybe not.........
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Post by mattfinney on Apr 7, 2011 14:15:20 GMT -5
There are probably exceptional archers that can shoot 2-3 inch groups at 100 yards, me personally, I'm doing good to shoot 2-3 inch groups at 30 yards, and I've been shooting for 25 years (since I was 4....oops guess I gave away my real age). However, shooting 100 yard 2-3 inch groups with a good rifle off a bench rest isn't too tough for me, and to transition to tac-15 crossbow, wouldn't require any practice at all.
fullrut,
Show me video of yourself shooting sub 3-inch groups with a compound setup for hunting at 100 yards, and I'll rethink my position.
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Post by swilk on Apr 7, 2011 14:19:52 GMT -5
Dont recall ever personally seeing a guy handle a bow well enough to shoot a quarter at 80 yards with any consistency.
A quarter is under an inch.
Hell ... I have owned many a gun that wouldnt shoot that well at 80 yards off a bench.
Wish I could shoot a bow that well.
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Post by randolphcounty on Apr 7, 2011 14:23:04 GMT -5
INDeerhunter, Visit this webpage: www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gly3bafUhcUYour crossbow might not be very accurate, but trust me, it's the exception. Modern crossbows are extremely accurate, and no crossbows require any archery skills. Here's another thought, if crossbows are no more effective than bows, and they won't recruit any more hunters, would it make any sense at all to make their addition part of a deer reduction plan? my 2 cents I believe the will recuit more hunters, alot of gun hunters will take up the Xbow to be able to hunt archery season, seeing the Xbow as a easy transition into archery, I also believe alot of them will be disappointed when they figure out everything they have heard about them is not true..... |
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Post by fullrut on Apr 7, 2011 14:27:04 GMT -5
There are probably exceptional archers that can shoot 2-3 inch groups at 100 yards, me personally, I'm doing good to shoot 2-3 inch groups at 30 yards, and I've been shooting for 25 years (since I was 4....oops guess I gave away my real age). However, shooting 100 yard 2-3 inch groups with a good rifle off a bench rest isn't too tough for me, and to transition to tac-15 crossbow, wouldn't require any practice at all. fullrut, Show me video of yourself shooting sub 3-inch groups with a compound setup for hunting at 100 yards, and I'll rethink my position. No Practice at all  ? What a brilliant thing to say  . Heres a hint, PRACTICE with whatever weapon you use to hunt with. Even if you think you don't need it. :oGuess you don't realize how much a crossbow drops. Just because the tac-15 is based on a gun and resembles one does not mean it performs like one. If you are only shooting 2-3" groups at 30yds I hope you have enough sense to keep your shots well below 30yds. P.S. I don't have a video camera. |
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Post by fullrut on Apr 7, 2011 14:28:54 GMT -5
Dont recall ever personally seeing a guy handle a bow well enough to shoot a quarter at 80 yards with any consistency. A quarter is under an inch. Hell ... I have owned many a gun that wouldnt shoot that well at 80 yards off a bench. Wish I could shoot a bow that well. You must not hang out at many archery ranges ? Not saying everyone can do it but alot can. |
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Post by gobblerstopper on Apr 7, 2011 14:36:41 GMT -5
Now I'm starting to see why you think it is such a challenge to shoot a deer with a tricked out compound. If you do good to shoot a 3" group at 30 yards after 25 years, you may need to work on your setup or practice more. I see how you would think it's a challenge to kill a deer.
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Post by jjas on Apr 7, 2011 14:39:51 GMT -5
Guys,
You can explain xbows to those who don't like them all day long and it's just a waste of time. They have made up their minds that xbows offer an advantage that they think people shouldn't have to hunt "their" deer.
It's the same type of arguement that compound shooters faced, inline muzzleloader shooters faced and pcr shooters faced (and still do face).
But in the end.....just like compounds, inlines and pcrs didn't destroy the deer herd (or trophy buck hunting)......xbows won't either.
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Post by swilk on Apr 7, 2011 14:41:06 GMT -5
Dont recall ever personally seeing a guy handle a bow well enough to shoot a quarter at 80 yards with any consistency. A quarter is under an inch. Hell ... I have owned many a gun that wouldnt shoot that well at 80 yards off a bench. Wish I could shoot a bow that well. You must not hang out at many archery ranges ? Not saying everyone can do it but alot can. That is something I would really like to see .... I always enjoy watching masters of their trades. Would you happen to have the names of some of the guys? I would like to invite them down to a shoot .... I dont need all their names but if you could just forward a couple or maybe three that would be great. |
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Post by swilk on Apr 7, 2011 14:49:15 GMT -5
I just texted a couple staff shooters and a dealer rep .... you think the shooters would be willing to set up a shoot and actually shoot quarters at 80 yards?
Nobody I texted had ever heard of anyone doing something like that with any kind of consistency.
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Post by mattfinney on Apr 7, 2011 15:00:01 GMT -5
Geez swilk, you mean you don't shoot sub 1-inch groups out to 80 yards?? ever heard of practice??
I sure hope you're not shooting at whitetails out past 125 yards, with skills like that!
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Post by mattfinney on Apr 7, 2011 15:09:15 GMT -5
And yes I'm joking....  |
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Post by fullrut on Apr 7, 2011 15:09:22 GMT -5
I just texted a couple staff shooters and a dealer rep .... you think the shooters would be willing to set up a shoot and actually shoot quarters at 80 yards? Nobody I texted had ever heard of anyone doing something like that with any kind of consistency. You actually know staff shooters? HMMMMMM. What makes these guys staff shooters? 5$-10$ discounts or what? I'd like names. |
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Post by swilk on Apr 7, 2011 15:13:09 GMT -5
You first.
Im not sure what it takes to be a staff shooter. Shop owners or employees .... or just knowing someone im sure would get you there.
They arent nearly good enough to shoot like the guys you know though.
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Post by swilk on Apr 7, 2011 15:14:06 GMT -5
Or you could just admit right now that you exaggerated just a wee bit and we can call it a day.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2011 15:40:36 GMT -5
How many crossbow shooters have you seen that can do 1" @ 80 yards?
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Post by 76chevy on Apr 7, 2011 15:49:35 GMT -5
and that's why they should NOT be allowed in IN archery season?? they just too accurate and effective to harvest deer with?? what gives, man?? .... Modern crossbows are extremely accurate, and no crossbows require any archery skills. ... .... |
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. Heres a hint, PRACTICE with whatever weapon you use to hunt with. Even if you think you don't need it. :oGuess you don't realize how much a crossbow drops. Just because the tac-15 is based on a gun and resembles one does not mean it performs like one. If you are only shooting 2-3" groups at 30yds I hope you have enough sense to keep your shots well below 30yds. P.S. I don't have a video camera.
