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Post by firstwd on Jul 15, 2010 21:05:48 GMT -5
Due to the low success rate of bow hunting compared to gun hunting, bow seasons can be very long (3 months for Indiana whitetails) without suffering any damage to the resource. Believe me, if gun season was 3 months long, we would suffer great damage to our deer Not trying to get into the crossbow debate, but isn't this exactly what the proposal says we need, a serious reduction of the deer herd? |
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Post by swilk on Jul 15, 2010 21:06:53 GMT -5
You did use the word more not majority. My mistake. But your response was a tad misleading ..... at least to me.
The online survey, and more importantly the wording of the questions, doesn't really say more want them than dont. At least not how I read and interpreted it.
I take them all with a grain of salt ....
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Post by swilk on Jul 15, 2010 21:12:40 GMT -5
From the hunters I know, crossbow acceptance has grown by leaps and bounds in the last 5 years! I for one you used to be a rabid anti crossbower. Until research taught me I was worried about nothing. Im not a rabid anti xbower by any means .... I just have my opinions on the matter. Really wont loose any sleep one way or the other. I just have a simple opinion when someone asks me the simple question "would I like to see xbows included during all archery season by all archers"? my answer is no. |
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Post by Decatur on Jul 15, 2010 21:21:53 GMT -5
I wasn't implying that anyon was a "rabid anti crossbower" other than myself. That's precisely why I left out the word "too".  |
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Post by js2397 on Jul 15, 2010 21:22:50 GMT -5
Due to the low success rate of bow hunting compared to gun hunting, bow seasons can be very long (3 months for Indiana whitetails) without suffering any damage to the resource. Believe me, if gun season was 3 months long, we would suffer great damage to our deer Not trying to get into the crossbow debate, but isn't this exactly what the proposal says we need, a serious reduction of the deer herd? Again this has nothing to do with herd reduction it is about saving antlered deer from gun hunters. Above statement is my opinion based on the stated goal of IDNR to change the harvest ratio. Since only the gun season is being shortened and moved to a time when bucks are less active. There isn't any push to keep the archery hunters from hunting the same way as they always have in the past. |
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Post by Woody Williams on Jul 15, 2010 21:30:27 GMT -5
You did use the word more not majority. My mistake. But your response was a tad misleading ..... at least to me.
Sorry, I thought I was being clear when I said "more".
The online survey, and more importantly the wording of the questions, doesn't really say more want them than dont. At least not how I read and interpreted it.
The numbers I posted were not publically released by the IDNR. But, believe me they are real. They decline to release any raw numbers.
I take them all with a grain of salt ....
The random surveys are statistically valid with a confidence level of 95%..
Don't need a whole lot of salt with that one..
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Post by swilk on Jul 16, 2010 6:53:00 GMT -5
I wasn't implying that anyon was a "rabid anti crossbower" other than myself. That's precisely why I left out the word "too". I know ... i was just sayin. |
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Post by swilk on Jul 16, 2010 6:59:23 GMT -5
You did use the word more not majority. My mistake. But your response was a tad misleading ..... at least to me.
Sorry, I thought I was being clear when I said "more".
The online survey, and more importantly the wording of the questions, doesn't really say more want them than dont. At least not how I read and interpreted it.
The numbers I posted were not publically released by the IDNR. But, believe me they are real. They decline to release any raw numbers.
I take them all with a grain of salt ....
The random surveys are statistically valid with a confidence level of 95%..
Don't need a whole lot of salt with that one..
The online survey does not say that more hunters want crossbows in all archery season than dont. You were perfectly clear when you said more ..... but you just werent accurately portraying what that particular survey said. The only reason I am correcting what you said is because you brought up the surveys and the confidence you have in them. Like I said ... I dont put a whole lot of faith in them. It is interesting that the IDNR is putting their eggs in the online surveys basket instead of the paper survey. |
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Post by Woody Williams on Jul 16, 2010 7:21:57 GMT -5
The online survey does not say that more hunters want crossbows in all archery season than dont. You were perfectly clear when you said more ..... but you just werent accurately portraying what that particular survey said. The only reason I am correcting what you said is because you brought up the surveys and the confidence you have in them. Like I said ... I dont put a whole lot of faith in them. It is interesting that the IDNR is putting their eggs in the online surveys basket instead of the paper survey. Uh, yes , I'm afraid it did. Online... 42% is a 10% bigger number than 32%, right? Random.. 49.5% supports crossbow usage in ANY archery segment 34.8% who oppose crossbow usage in ANY archery segment. That is 14.7% more hunters that favored allowing crossbows in ANY archery season than opposed them.. I think that both are "more".. The IDNR put thier eggs in the political basket. There is a lot more to this than a couple surveys..Interesting that they disregard ther own survey and go with a minority (versus the numbers that they surveyed) club's request. Now whether you believe it or not, and I have my own doubts about the validity of the online surveys, the random survey accurately shows the Indiana deer hunter's wants. |
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Post by swilk on Jul 16, 2010 7:29:50 GMT -5
Is this the online survey we are talking about? The crossbow questions were:6. Please express your views on expanding the crossbow season:Crossbows should be used in the early archery season for all hunters aged 65+ (current Natural Resources Advisory Council consideration) (FIRST MOST SUPPORTED)Crossbows should be used in all Urban Deer Zones (SECOND MOST SUPPORTED)Crossbows should be used in the early archery season that overlaps the firearm season (current Natural Resources Advisory Council consideration) (THIRD MOST SUPPORTED) Crossbows should be used in all of the early archery season (FOURTH MOST SUPPORTED) Crossbows should be used in some of the early archery season (FIFTH MOST SUPPORTED)Crossbow use should not be expanded beyond what is currently allowed (SIXTH MOST SUPPORTED)You know, if they adopt NUMBER FOURTH MOST SUPPORTED then that will take care of the TOP FIVE MOST SUPPORTED. . |
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Post by swilk on Jul 16, 2010 7:31:13 GMT -5
Or are you talking about a different survey? If you are in fact talking about a different survey please point me to it.
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Post by Woody Williams on Jul 16, 2010 8:03:51 GMT -5
Or are you talking about a different survey? If you are in fact talking about a different survey please point me to it. No. I am talking about the same survey. The question: " Crossbows should be used in all of the early archery season" Had a 42% positive versus a 32% negative and 26% did not care one way or the other. |
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Post by swilk on Jul 16, 2010 8:09:41 GMT -5
What was the percentage breakdown of the first most supported answer?
How did the percentage break down on "Crossbows should be used in the early archery season for all hunters aged 65+"?
Are you intentionally ignoring that or am I missing something?
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Post by boonechaser on Jul 16, 2010 8:15:22 GMT -5
From the look of most sportsman catalog's ex. Cabela's, Bass pro. etc. there are more cross bow's listed for sale than your standard bow's. I'm a die hard bowhunter and have been for 30 plus year's but have no problem with croosbow's being used in archery season. Don't understand the problem guy's have with them?  Just another weapon to choose from. And since it shoot's a arrow I would call it archery equipment. |
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Post by Woody Williams on Jul 16, 2010 8:23:22 GMT -5
What was the percentage breakdown of the first most supported answer? How did the percentage break down on "Crossbows should be used in the early archery season for all hunters aged 65+"? Are you intentionally ignoring that or am I missing something? I believe that the discussion is about crossbows for all in the archery seasons, not 65 and over, right? We can start a seperate thread on that if you wnat to.. |
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Post by swilk on Jul 16, 2010 8:32:25 GMT -5
Funny, I thought we were discussing the results of surveys.
Its okay though .... you have actually answered my question.
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Post by tickman1961 on Jul 16, 2010 10:28:56 GMT -5
nope. I happily share all my time in the woods with whomever is hunting with other legal weapons .... and that includes my father using his xbow whenever I can get him to actually go with me. Contradictory statement, you don't want crossbow's during early archery at this time. Are you trying to tell me if crossbows were legal during early archery for everyone you would not be oppossed.....  |
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Post by swilk on Jul 16, 2010 10:40:07 GMT -5
Contradictory? How so?
I happily share the woods with anyone hunting with a legal weapon. How is that contradictory?
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Post by js2397 on Jul 16, 2010 11:16:44 GMT -5
Is this the online survey we are talking about? The crossbow questions were:6. Please express your views on expanding the crossbow season:Crossbows should be used in the early archery season for all hunters aged 65+ (current Natural Resources Advisory Council consideration) (FIRST MOST SUPPORTED)Crossbows should be used in all Urban Deer Zones (SECOND MOST SUPPORTED)Crossbows should be used in the early archery season that overlaps the firearm season (current Natural Resources Advisory Council consideration) (THIRD MOST SUPPORTED) Crossbows should be used in all of the early archery season (FOURTH MOST SUPPORTED) Crossbows should be used in some of the early archery season (FIFTH MOST SUPPORTED)Crossbow use should not be expanded beyond what is currently allowed (SIXTH MOST SUPPORTED)You know, if they adopt NUMBER FOURTH MOST SUPPORTED then that will take care of the TOP FIVE MOST SUPPORTED. . The online survey did not have percentages along with it. The numbers Woody gave are correct as I called the number below and they told them to me. Feel free to call for yourself. For more information: Chad Stewart, Division of Fish and Wildlife, (812) 334-1137 |
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Post by js2397 on Jul 16, 2010 11:38:48 GMT -5
I believe each person could answer if they did or did not support each of the situations. I don't know the other numbers and Woody may not either.
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Just another weapon to choose from. And since it shoot's a arrow I would call it archery equipment. 
