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Post by huxbux on Jul 14, 2010 19:34:24 GMT -5
Why are you so afraid of an xbow or xbow hunter to be included in bow season ?? I would guess you have never actually sat down or stood up and took the time " a few hours or days" to actually use one long enough to have a real degree of experiance have you ??!! No surprise but you have guessed incorrectly. I am very familiar with xbows....bought my father one to hunt with and set it up for him to use in indiana to use on whitetails and elk in colorado. I am happy that disabled hunters are able to use them and prefer that expansion past that not happen. Would you care to state the reasons why you oppose xbow inclusion during regular archery season?
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Post by swilk on Jul 14, 2010 19:43:30 GMT -5
I simply feel they don't belong. Same as there are traditional archers out there who feel my compound does not belong in archery season.
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Post by huxbux on Jul 14, 2010 20:08:13 GMT -5
Because you don't want them?
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Post by swilk on Jul 14, 2010 20:09:25 GMT -5
yep. And you do.
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Post by tenring on Jul 14, 2010 20:12:12 GMT -5
Although I don't agree with that, at least your honest, and that lends credibility.
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Post by thecommissioner on Jul 15, 2010 1:49:46 GMT -5
I simply feel they don't belong. Same as there are traditional archers out there who feel my compound does not belong in archery season. I have never understood why someone would oppose my use of a crossbow when hunting on my own land during bow season. Seriously, if I use a crossbow, you will never see it. In fact, no one will see it because no one else is allowed to hunt on my property. The deer that falls to my crossbow is just as dead as the one that falls to your compound bow. In the end, it's all the same. My use of a crossbow doesn't give me an advantage over you because we are not in competition. The deer you are hunting are different than the ones I hunt. My neighboring landowners don't care if I use a crossbow because want the deer who are eating their crops harvested. Why do you care what I do that has absolutely no effect on you? Seriously.
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Post by swilk on Jul 15, 2010 6:55:19 GMT -5
Unfortunately we are not talking about a proposed rule change that only effects you while on your land.
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Post by Woody Williams on Jul 15, 2010 9:02:09 GMT -5
Unfortunately we are not talking about a proposed rule change that only effects you while on your land. And it wont effect you either. Please tell me how a hunter over on the necxt 40 hunting with a crossbow instead of a high tech, high let off comound will negatively effect your hunting.
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Post by swilk on Jul 15, 2010 9:10:42 GMT -5
It wont. Never said it would.
We have had this conversation before .... you weren't able to change my mind then and you wont be able to change my mind now. I do not feel that xbows are archery equipment. Never have. Never will.
Its an opinion fellas ...... its ok to have one.
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Post by swilk on Jul 15, 2010 9:13:52 GMT -5
Unfortunately we are not talking about a proposed rule change that only effects you while on your land. The reason I gave this answer Woody is because I have no opinion what a person does on his/her own land. For all I care they could hunt deer in July with a mini gun if they so choose. We are not talking about that though ..... we are talking about a state wide rule change.
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Post by Woody Williams on Jul 15, 2010 9:16:05 GMT -5
It wont. Never said it would. We have had this conversation before .... you weren't able to change my mind then and you wont be able to change my mind now. I do not feel that xbows are archery equipment. Never have. Never will. Its an opinion fellas ...... its ok to have one. Sure it is "opinion. Opinions based on facts carry a lot more weight than a statement of "They are not archery " when they most clearly are and "I don't like them" which is pure emotion mixed with maybe some selfishness.
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Post by swilk on Jul 15, 2010 9:22:30 GMT -5
lol. Your facts that it is archery gear dont really carry much weight with me. Sorry. They are a classification of archery gear same as a longbow is a classification. As is a recurve. As is a compound.
I do not feel that the xbow belongs in regular archery season. Im sure it woudnt take long to find a die hard traditional archer who would say the same thing about my compound.
Dont recal saying I didnt like them. If you are going to have this conversation with me do not put words in my mouth .....
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Post by Woody Williams on Jul 15, 2010 9:32:41 GMT -5
lol. Your facts that it is archery gear dont really carry much weight with me. Sorry. They are a classification of archery gear same as a longbow is a classification. As is a recurve. As is a compound. I do not feel that the xbow belongs in regular archery season. Im sure it woudnt take long to find a die hard traditional archer who would say the same thing about my compound. Dont recal saying I didnt like them. If you are going to have this conversation with me do not put words in my mouth ..... you loose credibility quickly when you do that. Maybe I phrased that wrong. You don't like them in the archery season even though you just admitted that they are archery equipment. So, again, what is your objection as it most certainly would not affect you.
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Post by swilk on Jul 15, 2010 9:34:17 GMT -5
I did edit out the credibility thing .... right before you posted. Shouldnt have written that.
Sorry.
Also, clarification is needed ..... while I do know that xbows are archery gear I believe they are in their own category of archery gear and do not belong in general archery season.
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Post by swilk on Jul 15, 2010 9:37:13 GMT -5
My objection ..... IMO they do not belong in archery season.
I honestly do not know how to put it any more plainly than that.
Having everyone hunting with .50BMG's during the month of October more than likely wouldnt effect me one bit either but if asked I would have the same reply. IMO .50BMG's do not belong in archery season.
Might be a bit more emphatic in that opinion though.
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Post by mattfinney on Jul 15, 2010 10:02:50 GMT -5
I originally posted this on a different website, but might have some relevance here.
"To have a bow season at all, is to have a season in which hunters are restricted to chasing their quarry with a weapon that is much more difficult to use successfully. Bow hunting could be compared to catch and release fishing, in that the bowhunter usually sees a lot more animals than he takes. Due to the low success rate of bow hunting compared to gun hunting, bow seasons can be very long (3 months for Indiana whitetails) without suffering any damage to the resource. Believe me, if gun season was 3 months long, we would suffer great damage to our deer and the deer hunting sport. This concept only works because of the difficulty of the weapon. I agree that technology has improved over time and the bows of today are many times more effective than what was used 40 years ago, but we don't need to go the further step of introducing a totally new weapon that, I don't care how you cut it or slice it, IS MORE EFFECTIVE and EASIER TO USE. "
Of course Woody will argue that crossbows are not more effective, or easier to use than compounds, but I would ask this question....If that's the case, then why add a rifle stock, draw lock, safety, optics, and bipod? Aren't those things added to make the crossbow more effective, and easier to use, than say a conventional bow?
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Post by swilk on Jul 15, 2010 10:07:31 GMT -5
I think the "more effective" part would be dependent on whos hands it was in.
In my hands, hunting the way that I hunt, a compound is a more effective tool. Off a bench I can shoot a xbow very well. Unfortunately there are no benches in my treestands and offhand I cant shoot them worth a darn. If I used them from a groundblind or shooting house where a rest could be used that would most definitely change though.
They are easier to use and easier to easier to "master" than other equipment .... no real way to argue that point differently.
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Post by drs on Jul 15, 2010 10:16:03 GMT -5
For what it's worth, if I were to get back into bow or archery hunting; I would have to use a Crossbow due to a nerve injury in my back. I view anything be it: a longbow, compound, recurve, or crossbow, that shoots an arrow or bolt to be consider ARCHERY.
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Post by tenring on Jul 15, 2010 13:04:16 GMT -5
Matt must not be married, wifes have a certain amount of say in how much a guy can hunt in his hypothetical 3 month gun season. LOL
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Post by swilk on Jul 15, 2010 13:14:10 GMT -5
I serve 9 months a year and get 3 off each fall for good behavior.
Damn I love that woman.
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