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Post by js2397 on Jul 17, 2010 8:33:03 GMT -5
I would think a rifle hunter would have to take much more care aiming since most rifles have optics. Also getting a second shot off with the most popular rifle types takes a little longer than it would with a shotgun. I know you are probably thinking if a person practices enough they can cycle a bolt action rifle as fast as a pump shotgun or semi-auto but then the argument about not being proficient with the rifle is gone.
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Post by tenring on Jul 17, 2010 10:55:01 GMT -5
Wrong again, Indiana's topography is well suited the big guns in a lot of areas, and not in a lot of areas. Would the DNR ever have the cajones to specify which counties could or could not be suitable for their use. Not!
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Post by dbd870 on Jul 17, 2010 11:07:11 GMT -5
You really need to read the PA study.
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Post by tenring on Jul 17, 2010 15:17:32 GMT -5
I have, but I don't live in PA.
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Post by M4Madness on Jul 17, 2010 20:39:23 GMT -5
Wrong again, Indiana's topography is well suited the big guns in a lot of areas, and not in a lot of areas. Would the DNR ever have the cajones to specify which counties could or could not be suitable for their use. Not! They could always use State Highway 40 as the cut-off. Everyone below Highway 40 could use high-powered rifles, while those above could not. Most of southern Indiana is extremely wooded and hilly, as glaciers never reached that far south. Haven't they used that highway (or still do) as a boundry for some other season in the past (squirrel? rabbit? grouse?)
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Post by mrfixit on Jul 18, 2010 6:09:44 GMT -5
The only place in the state where HP center fires shouldn't be allowed is in the urban zones maybe. This whole "we are all gonna die and the world will end the same day if we allow high power rifles" argument is pretty silly.
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Post by tenring on Jul 18, 2010 6:14:27 GMT -5
Thanks for reminding me of that, I had intended to mention that but failed to do so. The DNR has been using that for years now because of the glacier effect on the topography of the entire state. Using the same criteria for Small Game could be used for our Big Game, but that would insinuate that I would be advocating the use of Common Sense. Yeah, I know, throwing that common sense thing out there again, can't help it, just the way I am. But then, would I foresee a traffic jam going south in the gun season to take advantage of a new rule? Where I hunt in Jefferson County, the addition of new houses in the immediate area of the farm where I mainly hunt has caused me to be extra careful of where I point my firearm, and I now use a PCR in .44 Mag. exclusively. But again, that's just me.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2010 8:09:55 GMT -5
You fellows need to change your mindset....totally. A flat shooting rifle is just as safe as something shooting a large slower moving bullet. Folks living south or north of a raod are the same.....both could use a rifle safely or unsafely no matter what the caliber is. Example would be that they already can for varmints.
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Post by mrfixit on Jul 18, 2010 9:22:18 GMT -5
Oh but don't you know they are trained expert "dedicated riflemen" that we shouldn't be concerned about because they won't shoot anything they aren't aiming at! ![:o](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/shocked.png) ;D
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Post by tenring on Jul 18, 2010 9:50:33 GMT -5
Forget it then, plain forget it!
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Post by M4Madness on Jul 18, 2010 10:14:32 GMT -5
You fellows need to change your mindset....totally. A flat shooting rifle is just as safe as something shooting a large slower moving bullet. Folks living south or north of a raod are the same.....both could use a rifle safely or unsafely no matter what the caliber is. Example would be that they already can for varmints. Oh, I understand. I was just adjusting my thinking to the way those who are opposed to high-powered rifles would think, and using their logic against them. ;D
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Post by sparky on Jul 19, 2010 2:45:46 GMT -5
For those who do have a 358 and hunt with it, how bout dropping me a PM on your pet load so far. I have one, used it last year and look forward to using it again this year. Not many of us out there. Finding/sharing the perfect load is half the fun. This is supposed to be fun isn't it?? ![::)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/eyesroll.png)
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Post by Decatur on Jul 19, 2010 7:41:06 GMT -5
Welcome Sparky!
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Post by steve46511 on Jul 20, 2010 15:01:59 GMT -5
I see nothing wrong with the "custom calibers" legal for deer hunting should someone dedicated enough to our sport decide to put the effort and / or cash into a custom gun for a rifle and round fitting the regulations. While new to IN, it's hardly "new" for someone to create a round for a specific purpose. I went a slightly different direction and I wish to make a polite request to not let this post about MY choice to be any kind of fodder in any "centerfire or not" arguement.......please? Rules are as the rules are. I rather doubt any of us will ever fully comprehend the REASONS so many come about....or agree with them but that said I too "used the regulations" to obtain what I FEEL for ME is a "better solution" that will aid me in my "tired of the crowd" deer hunting excursions. Having lost TWO excellent and standard "wooded creek bottom" hunting spots to leases and / or relatives I hunted the past few years in more open areas that I knew had fairly steady deer traffic during firearm season. Many sighted were "shooters" for sure but not within the ranges I FELT were suitable for my 20 gauge slug gun nor my 54 cal muzzleloader but WERE in the fields long enough that HAD I HAD a longer range weapon, plenty of time was normally there to place a shot where it belongs, assuming of course that I did my normal homework and practice as I have done so for decades for varmints. Sitting on a creek bottom over looking a picked corn field I watched no less than 15 deer cross in plain sight, FIVE of which were bucks and one was obviously NOT a 1.5 year old same ol same ol buck that we see lots of. His neck disappeared into his chest making it hard to tell where neck ended and where chest started and his heavy plodding gait accross the field sent ripples of movement down his sides. This one was easily one of the biggest bodied deer I had seen in some time, and Ive seen a few more than most having butchered over 15 years some 3000 plus deer and have shot or helped drag out about 100, many of which topped 200lbs dressed out by actual weight on a scale. Light was fading but I could tell there was enough height and mass that Id have tripped the trigger .......it was real obvious to me that something needed to change for this type of hunting to be effective. I needed more range out of a weapon. I tossed around a custom rifle in one of the newer wildcasts legal in Indiana but it just didn't raise much interest for me. I think, in my case only again, that something for ONLY deer hunting for a couple short weeks just wasn't justifiable for my lean income. Rest assured, I SPENT as much but what I ended up with is a switch barrel single shot long range pistol. Two barrels, one a 6mm benchrest for closer deer and summer varmints and a 6.5x284 for deer. It does leave a "bad taste" in some hunter's mouth that such ARE legal in "pistols" that, and I will admit it freely, are nothing more than short rifles. That said, it IS legal, IS effective "way the rip out there", and in the hands of one willing to practice, practice, practice........capable of groups I have shot only with centerfire rifle rounds in RIFLES. Most using them claim half minute of angle groups are obtained fairly regularly. The precision manufacturing and the 12-14 ounce (adjusts heavier if you want) trigger was MADE FOR L O N G range competition and will (I bet) be one H of a deer hammer! This isnt meant as negative in any way towards the rifles. For those that prefer them, like them, and justify them........super! I'll support your choice all the way! Forgive me if this is in the WRONG THREAD.....but as I said, I CONSIDER this to be on par with a centerfire rifle in both accuracy and range. Moderator feel free to move/delete this should you feel so fit. There is though, this option and it seems a few are not aware of these guns. I wish I could give you more specifics, obtained first hand, but that is a few weeks away. After four months of waiting, mine will arrive sometime the first part of August but it will be very similar to the one shown in the photo. Oh yes.......that is a standard rifle scope on it. The bull barrel, muzzle brake and over all balance results in most shooting standard rifle scopes on them without fear of restructuring one's face. Mine for sure, needs no help there......ugly enough as is! Granted, these are not a "there is a deer hurry up and shoot!" kind of deer hunting gun and take a dedicated rest for proper bullet placement for those of us willing to take the time to properly set up and practice for "longer range". The 6.5x284, even out of the shorter barrel has much more velocity and energy to humanely anchor a deer for several hundred yards... much more than I am capable, Im sure, and more than I will need. A 130 grain high BC bullet can be pushed to 2750fps, give or take or you could top 3000fps with lighter ones if you so chose. Kinda ugly aint they? LOL.......gotta love it! A googled "MOA MAXIMUM" will give you specifics if wanted. God Bless and hammer a BIG OL MOSSY "HORN" this year! Steve Attachments:![](//storage.proboards.com/1336408/thumbnailer/Pl1JJ2WUlHzicA3ODsaC.jpg)
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Post by Decatur on Jul 20, 2010 15:09:44 GMT -5
Sweet looking hand cannon Steve!
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Post by steve46511 on Jul 20, 2010 15:14:13 GMT -5
Thanks MOD! I should be posting some "hero photos" come fall with it! Aug/Sept will be spent AT THE RANGE!
God Bless!
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Post by hornharvester on Jul 20, 2010 16:52:50 GMT -5
Steve,
I used a Savage Striker in 260 Rem two years ago to kill a nice 10 pointer. The load was 120 Nos BT with 44 grains of H4350. The 260 is real close to your 6.5x284. My Striker would shoot .5" groups @ 200 yards. I had 4 barrels for the Striker, .243, .260, .308 and 30.06.
The reason I sold it was the .260 Rem barrel had a brake and I about blew my ear drum out when I shot that buck. The tree I sat in had a big trunk just to my left and when I shot the percussion bounced of that truck and felt like "Wham". My ear rang for over 6 months. I enjoyed shooting the gun but it was time for it to go down the road.
I'm anxious to kill something with the .358 I built. I imagine it will drop the deer in their tracks. h.h.
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Post by Rifleman on Jul 20, 2010 17:01:05 GMT -5
So how does the proposed change to the legal length affect PCR wildcat's or for that matter factory round options?
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Post by hornharvester on Jul 20, 2010 17:08:54 GMT -5
So how does the proposed change to the legal length affect PCR wildcat's or for that matter factory round options? Rman, The changes doesn't except you wont have to shorten the case length on the .35 WSSM. The new proposal is 1.8" which will bring in some more cartridges. h.h.
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Post by Rifleman on Jul 20, 2010 17:12:06 GMT -5
Exactly, but I was wondering out loud just what cartridges it would bring in without spending hours looking at case dimensions. I figured by now someone had it all figured out. So would a 35 WSSM be legal in OEM config? What about 450 Bushmaster? Just wondering. I thought there was another thread all ready started on this topic but I could not find it.
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