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Post by antiwheeze on Jun 29, 2010 21:41:47 GMT -5
Not trying to bust someones chops but instead of complaining about the rules why not sell a couple of your rifles that are not legal in Indiana and build one of these? These rifles will be legal the same place a 30-30 or 06 would be a have better performance. I imagine it will be a long time before the IDNR changes the rules to allow all center fire rifles for deer season but who knows, look how far we come in the last 10 years or so. h.h. My luck, I would build an AR with the socom upper and then the next year HPR would be allowed....... Till then I will just limp along with my Ruger 44 carbine, 11-87 and muzzy.
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Post by schoolmaster on Jun 29, 2010 22:19:47 GMT -5
I can tell you another way to go. DTECH makes a complete upper in .358 WSSM that will bolt right on to your current AR.
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Post by oldhoyt on Jun 30, 2010 6:21:35 GMT -5
Sell guns to buy guns? I'm not hurting that bad for money, and I could afford to get one of these guns built if I really wanted to. I've been shooting deer just fine with my shotgun and muzzleloader and I don't hunt where I'll shoot over 100 yds. It's not a matter of need for hunting. I'd just like to tote the 30/30 or the 45/70 if the mood struck me.
Maybe they could allow open sighted rifles? Foget about the cartridge and eliminate optics ("legal" guns could still have optics). I know that would limit me to 150 yds max with my 30/30 or 45/70.
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Post by dbd870 on Jun 30, 2010 11:22:37 GMT -5
I can tell you another way to go. DTECH makes a complete upper in .358 WSSM that will bolt right on to your current AR. Interesting; I only have 3 IN legal rifles - need to catch up to my KY rifles - definite possibilty, thanks for the link.
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Post by mbogo on Jul 1, 2010 7:43:24 GMT -5
I can tell you another way to go. DTECH makes a complete upper in .358 WSSM that will bolt right on to your current AR. Interesting; I only have 3 IN legal rifles - need to catch up to my KY rifles - definite possibilty, thanks for the link. I've done quite a bit of research and planning on building either a bolt gun or buying the .358 upper, I even have the donor bolt action ready to go, but just haven't been able to take the final step yet with all of the wedding planning going on. Last I heard, the parts for those uppers were coming from Olympic Arms and Oly was having a very difficult time getting parts built and shipped.Maybe they have finally caught up by now. BFG has another option for ar uppers, I think it is called the .35 Gremlin, basically a 7.62x39 case necked up to .35 caliber iirc. It doesn't quite provide the performance of the .358 BFG but is still pretty sweet imo.
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Post by dbd870 on Jul 6, 2010 19:12:12 GMT -5
I can tell you another way to go. DTECH makes a complete upper in .358 WSSM that will bolt right on to your current AR. Interesting; I only have 3 IN legal rifles - need to catch up to my KY rifles - definite possibilty, thanks for the link. I retract that post - in light of recent (although not completely surprising) information my IN rifle assortment is more than adequate.
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Post by Woody Williams on Jul 6, 2010 22:15:57 GMT -5
Interesting; I only have 3 IN legal rifles - need to catch up to my KY rifles - definite possibilty, thanks for the link. I retract that post - in light of recent (although not completely surprising) information my IN rifle assortment is more than adequate. You've got a .460?
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Post by dbd870 on Jul 7, 2010 3:23:17 GMT -5
No reason to get one if you don't deer hunt in IN.
I may pick up an antlerless tag so I can take Magnum out (& I would only need to do that 1 time if it goes in this year), and that would be the only reason I'd do it, but I sure am not spending $$$ on a bunch of tags for these shortened seasons.
The only thing that would change my feelings on it would be if they went to a license set up similar to KY's and didn't over price it; then I might still participate.
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Post by drs on Jul 9, 2010 13:18:32 GMT -5
I would think the .460 S&W would be legal with the case being within legal length. Don't know about these "Wildcat" loads though. the state will eventually find out they are rifle cartridges with ballistics exceeding some "Illegal" cartridges. It's best that Hunters in Indiana stick with the traditional Pistol Cartridges like the .357 Mag., .44 Mag., .454 Casull, & such.
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Post by swilk on Jul 9, 2010 13:32:28 GMT -5
DNR is fully aware of the wildcat rounds .... even mentioned them in their documentation.
460 s&w is not legal with the current regulations. Case is a touch to long.
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Post by Decatur on Jul 9, 2010 13:35:30 GMT -5
I think the DNR was fully aware of the capabilities in wildcat rounds and purposely left them in as a way to allow hunters to use "High Powered" rounds with out freaking out all of the nervous Nellies in the state by saying we could use "High Powered" rounds. $.02
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Post by drs on Jul 9, 2010 13:41:02 GMT -5
I think the DNR was fully aware of the capabilities in wildcat rounds and purposely left them in as a way to allow hunters to use "High Powered" rounds with out freaking out all of the nervous Nellies in the state by saying we could use "High Powered" rounds. $.02 That's the reason for the State to call the rifles PCR's. Don't know about these high powered WSSM wildcats. Just curious what the State's views if they actually knew (or know) about their capabilities & power vs. Traditional Pistol (under 2,000 FPS) cartridges.
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Post by tenring on Jul 9, 2010 13:52:02 GMT -5
DNR is fully aware of the wildcat rounds .... even mentioned them in their documentation. 460 s&w is not legal with the current regulations. Case is a touch to long. Mark acted like he was all for it, maybe he has one stashed at his house and wants the ability to use it during what's left of our Big Game season. Certainly in a position to keep it on the front burner.
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Post by swilk on Jul 9, 2010 13:52:42 GMT -5
Would have been pretty easy to limit the selection to just commercially available rounds .... instead they specifically said:
"This proposal does not restrict the cartridges to straight-walled, nor does it restrict the type of action for the rifle. This proposal also does not limit the cartridges to commercial types only; custom-made cartridges (wildcats) that meet the specifications in the rule would also be legal to use.
The DNR is not proposing to list all of the cartridges that would be allowed in this rule proposal due to the large number available and the possibility of wildcats (custom-made cartridges) that could be developed within the specifications of the rule."
Specifically allowed wildcat rounds.
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Post by Woody Williams on Jul 9, 2010 14:04:57 GMT -5
I would think the .460 S&W would be legal with the case being within legal length. Don't know about these "Wildcat" loads though. the state will eventually find out they are rifle cartridges with ballistics exceeding some "Illegal" cartridges. It's best that Hunters in Indiana stick with the traditional Pistol Cartridges like the .357 Mag., .44 Mag., .454 Casull, & such. LOL... they know. They read these forums all the time. I think that not too many people will drop $1,000 for a wildcat gun and loader. The ones that do are very dedicated and they will not cause any problem. Just like the hand cannon shooter/hunters.
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Post by drs on Jul 9, 2010 14:16:36 GMT -5
LOL... they know. They read these forums all the time. I think that not too many people will drop $1,000 for a wildcat gun and loader. The ones that do are very dedicated and they will not cause any problem. Just like the hand cannon shooter/hunters. Most likely you're correct, Woody. Not too many out there with these .358 WSSM Wildcats. ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png)
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Post by fullrut on Jul 9, 2010 15:21:07 GMT -5
Just ordered my 358 wssm from Match Grade Machine. $390 for an encore barrel. $150 for dies, split between a few of us. Can't wait to poke one at DISTANCE. Buddy shot one the other night at 220 on a depredation tag.
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Post by swilk on Jul 9, 2010 15:27:14 GMT -5
Did you get your dies from Bryan? What about brass?
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Post by fullrut on Jul 9, 2010 18:26:08 GMT -5
Dies are from redding and brass I have been ordering from Jerrys. What are we gonna do when the length is 1.8? You can also get brass on-line from auction arms and gunbroker.
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Post by swilk on Jul 9, 2010 19:08:25 GMT -5
Mine are trimmed to 1.62". I'm sure the extra .18" would add a little performance to the round but I'm already getting 2720 out of a 22" barrel and a little more out of my encore barrel.
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