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Post by Woody Williams on Aug 4, 2008 17:04:18 GMT -5
Jack, correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't the very first youth hunt come out as knowledge to the public far after the regulation book had came out for the year? Is there any chance at all the this could still happen as an emergency rule change for this year?.... Just curious. You would have to convince the DNR Director that this is an emergency situation which neither of us believes. Then it would have to go to the next meeting of the Natural Resources Commission (NRC) which meets next on September 16th. Youth deer season is 11 days later. I really, really think you would be wasting your time. First be glad we got the season after fighting for it for such a long time. Now the youth will have bucks added to "their" special season...next year. Jack P.S. I'm still amazed that all this bickering is taking place. It's overwhelmingly supported by the DNR and the majority of the regulated community. Let it go guys IT IS GOING TO HAPPEN...next year. I've been told that this will not happen this year. It will be part of a deer package for next year. |
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Post by cambygsp on Aug 4, 2008 17:24:44 GMT -5
I'm not terribly opposed to it, but don't see this thing getting a bunch more kids interested in hunting either. I think your wrong, we have introduced two kids to deer hunting through the youth season and we are taking another youth (that has never hunted) this year. When you and I started hunting we didn't have to worry about taking formal classes, PETA was not spreading their message and there really wasn't much else to do. If we don't do a better job of recruiting kids into the hunting ranks, who will controll the wildlife in 20 years. |
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Post by freedomhunter on Aug 5, 2008 10:42:55 GMT -5
Side tracking a bit, but why do the youth need a special season to start with? Sheesh ...... we've got over 3 months of deer hunting, and that early season is a lousy time to take a kid out anyway, hot, skeeters, etc. I'm not terribly opposed to it, but don't see this thing getting a bunch more kids interested in hunting either. I think the weekend before the gun opener would be better. there is an idea, I would be for giving the youth the entire first 7 days of the firearms season and the first 7 days of muzzleloader, any equipment, including xbows. |
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Post by 76chevy on Aug 5, 2008 15:32:30 GMT -5
NOW you are talking!give them a shot at rutting bucks! I think the weekend before the gun opener would be better.
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Post by dbd870 on Aug 6, 2008 6:11:29 GMT -5
OK with me.
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Post by firstwd on Aug 6, 2008 9:04:17 GMT -5
I support this, but I do have a question. This season was established as a "bonus" for for the youth. The does that are taken do not count toward their total legal number for the year. If antlered deer are included, why should they count toward the yearly total? I think the timing is great for the kids, warm weather and lesspooked deer. With the heat, most hunts are one and done to save the meat. Anterlers or not, kids are just thrilled to get a deer.
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Post by trapperdave on Aug 6, 2008 9:19:01 GMT -5
Side tracking a bit, but why do the youth need a special season to start with? Sheesh ...... we've got over 3 months of deer hunting, and that early season is a lousy time to take a kid out anyway, hot, skeeters, etc. I'm not terribly opposed to it, but don't see this thing getting a bunch more kids interested in hunting either. Then you are not doing your part........Take a child and introduce them to the outdoors, it doesnt have to be your kid, could be a neighbor that has never had the opportunity. That is what its all about. A couple days where you can take a youth, and not have to give up your own hunting time, or worry about 100,000 other gun toters. |
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Post by Greenedog on Aug 6, 2008 9:40:53 GMT -5
--Strongly Support--
While preparing for the first youth season I was shocked and disgusted to learn that it was anterless only. I tried not to let this show when I informed my son, but he had pretty much the same reaction. His only question was "Why?" I couldn't give him an answer and still can't.
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Post by Woody Williams on Aug 6, 2008 10:10:44 GMT -5
I support this, but I do have a question. This season was established as a "bonus" for for the youth. The does that are taken do not count toward their total legal number for the year. If antlered deer are included, why should they count toward the yearly total? I think the timing is great for the kids, warm weather and lesspooked deer. With the heat, most hunts are one and done to save the meat. Anterlers or not, kids are just thrilled to get a deer. I agree.. The "bonus" doe is pretty well redundant as we can kill 427+ state wide. |
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Post by Ahawkeye on Aug 7, 2008 10:30:01 GMT -5
Side tracking a bit, but why do the youth need a special season to start with? Sheesh ...... we've got over 3 months of deer hunting, and that early season is a lousy time to take a kid out anyway, hot, skeeters, etc. I'm not terribly opposed to it, but don't see this thing getting a bunch more kids interested in hunting either. I think the weekend before the gun opener would be better. I feel it's about right where it need's to be JMHO |
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Post by cambygsp on Aug 7, 2008 15:10:08 GMT -5
I don't see them moving the dates (last weekend of Sept), we all know any type of a firearm in October would be a sin.
But as far as the buck thing, why in the heck would it matter when we are under a OBR?
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Post by jkd on Aug 7, 2008 16:52:12 GMT -5
Steiny - although there are certainly exceptions to every rule, to answer your question... the difference is the youth hunt weekends are for the kids only... the adults can't carry a weapon, so all emphasis is on teaching the youth hunter hunting skills and getting them in a position to hopefully see and take game...
My son took his first deer/buck on our farm the year before the youth seasons opened up... he was hunting with me, and a group of older guys I've hunted with for decades... so although they treated him with respect (especially when he got the only buck that weekend LOL), he was still a child among men...
With the youth hunts we've been fortunate enough to go to down at JB's where several youth hunters are involved, he gets to interact with kids his own age, and swap hunting stories with them and so on, creating a bond with other youth hunters... It's just a totally different atmosphere in a youth deer camp compared with a mostly adults environment.
I'm sure there are many moms/dads out there who have taken their kid hunting, with all carrying firearms/bows, and have let the youth hunter take a shot when available... but I'm also sure there are many to "take the kid along" and then pursue their own hunting agenda and the youth hunter gets to watch... the youth weekends eliminate that situation...
So in my experience, they are an excellent idea, and give emphasis to make the youth hunter the most important part of the hunt...
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Post by huxbux on Aug 7, 2008 19:04:25 GMT -5
Steiny - although there are certainly exceptions to every rule, to answer your question... the difference is the youth hunt weekends are for the kids only... the adults can't carry a weapon, so all emphasis is on teaching the youth hunter hunting skills and getting them in a position to hopefully see and take game... My son took his first deer/buck on our farm the year before the youth seasons opened up... he was hunting with me, and a group of older guys I've hunted with for decades... so although they treated him with respect (especially when he got the only buck that weekend LOL), he was still a child among men... With the youth hunts we've been fortunate enough to go to down at JB's where several youth hunters are involved, he gets to interact with kids his own age, and swap hunting stories with them and so on, creating a bond with other youth hunters... It's just a totally different atmosphere in a youth deer camp compared with a mostly adults environment. I'm sure there are many moms/dads out there who have taken their kid hunting, with all carrying firearms/bows, and have let the youth hunter take a shot when available... but I'm also sure there are many to "take the kid along" and then pursue their own hunting agenda and the youth hunter gets to watch... the youth weekends eliminate that situation... So in my experience, they are an excellent idea, and give emphasis to make the youth hunter the most important part of the hunt... Well stated Kirk. |
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Post by cambygsp on Aug 8, 2008 5:45:27 GMT -5
So in my experience, they are an excellent idea, and give emphasis to make the youth hunter the most important part of the hunt... Thats exactly right, it isn't about bucks or doe, it's about taking a kid out and showing them a good time. Allowing the kid to take the deer of their choice is a tool that can help the kid have a good time. |
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Post by rhinodogg on Aug 12, 2008 8:01:08 GMT -5
Strongly support.
Can't wait to get my daughter out there this year.
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Post by savagehead on Jan 14, 2009 23:12:16 GMT -5
I am all for it!Get these kids involved for Christs sake!At the rate we are losing hunters among our ranks,as someone else mentioned,PETA will rule the day.Forget about your own selfish,self serving interests and put the kids and the hunting heritage that was passed down to us first.IMO,there is no logical reason to oppose this.If you are worried about little "Tommy' getting a buck a head of you,shame on you!These kids are only youth hunters for a very short while,let them enjoy that precious time in their life.This is what it is all about..following is my daughter and her first deer taken this year.She is 11 yrs old.Never once did she mention big antlers to me.Taking this first deer was the highlight of her young life thus far.It mattered not if it was a buck or doe to her.Just the accomplishment was enough for her.A simple pleasure that has drawn so much attention from these posts..why would anyone want to deny a youth this simple pleasure?  |
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Post by turkeyscout on Jan 15, 2009 8:01:56 GMT -5
i am strongly for this change, but i do question the dates for the youths week-end hunt,i feel it needs to be closer to opening day like the youth turkey season, not sure why a hunt is in september 27th and 28 th, 2008.............TAKE A YOUNGSTER ON YOUR NEXT OUTDOOR EXPERIENCE.........turkey scout
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Post by turkeyscout on Jan 15, 2009 8:18:13 GMT -5
.....we as sportsman and sportswomen need to support all we can to help our youths get a good start in the outdoor world and this is one of them!!!!.....turkey scout
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Post by jackc99 on Jan 15, 2009 11:31:20 GMT -5
i am strongly for this change, but i do question the dates for the youths week-end hunt,i feel it needs to be closer to opening day like the youth turkey season, not sure why a hunt is in september 27th and 28 th, 2008.............TAKE A YOUNGSTER ON YOUR NEXT OUTDOOR EXPERIENCE.........turkey scout The date was selected as the archery season opens on October 1st. This is as close as we could get. Also that week-end is National Hunting and Fishing Day and fits that program very nicely. Jack |
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Post by featherduster on Jan 17, 2009 6:38:08 GMT -5
Quakintim: Answer this one.
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