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Post by beehunter on Aug 2, 2008 5:48:27 GMT -5
I voted strongly oppose because their are alot of poachers who would use this to take that big un they have been watching all summer. I am not talking about a spotlighter but mainly hunters who like to bend the rules. I know alot of you guys think this is not a problem or an issue but in the more rural counties such as Greene county poaching is a real issue.
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Post by hoosieroutdoorsman on Aug 2, 2008 6:05:44 GMT -5
I voted strongly oppose because their are alot of poachers who would use this to take that big un they have been watching all summer. I am not talking about a spotlighter but mainly hunters who like to bend the rules. I know alot of you guys think this is not a problem or an issue but in the more rural counties such as Greene county poaching is a real issue. I have to agree with beehunter, the non spotlighter poachers are a much bigger problem than most realize. I have heard several guys out on jobsites I deliver to brag about taking 3-4 bucks a year and not checking in on any of them,,thought about calling the DNR but I don`t have any proof other than hear say so I just walk away. I would like nothing more than to be able to take my stepsons hunting and see them bag a buck B4 I do, specially my youngest stepson, he has epilepsy and the more time I can spend in the woods with him the better, I would like to see them take a buck in the youth and still be able to take one in the regular season.
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Post by dbd870 on Aug 2, 2008 6:14:42 GMT -5
A poacher is going to poach regardless of what happens with this rule.
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Post by cambygsp on Aug 2, 2008 6:19:00 GMT -5
Hey guys.....criminals are criminals. They are going to be a criminal whenever they get a chance, we can not set rules and bag limits based on what a criminal "might" do........we have an enforcement division that is dedicated to catching the criminals.
This issue is not about killing a buck deer, it is the opportunity for the youth to take EITHER SEX.......and since we are talking about KIDS........the first deer to present a shot will most likely be the deer the KID kills (or attempts to).
I think the overwhelming majority of folks who partisipate in the youth hunts are law abiding folks, most are out there to show their kids a good time.....not poach a deer.
When you consider your opinions about hunting rules and regulations, I would ask that you don't think about what a criminal "might" do......think about whats best for the resource based on law abiding hunters......AS I THINK THE OVERWHELMING MAJORITY OF US ALL ARE!!!
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Post by pav on Aug 2, 2008 7:26:53 GMT -5
The antlerless restriction was nothing more than a payoff to the groups that didn't support a youth season. Just about every state and pertinent national hunting organization you could think of was at the table the night the antlerless only decision was made. I don't recall any of those groups not supporting the youth season concept? The antlerless only recommendation came from DNR leadership. I voted "support". Just can't imagine telling a child not to shoot when that first ever deer walks into range....and has antlers. The down side is....private land access can be tough. Changing the regulation to either sex will make it tougher. There is alot of private land out there which has been either purchased or leased for recreation purposes. Those people are paying alot of money to secure a spot for themselves and their own children to hunt. Many of those pay even more money to manage that land to meet their goals. You can't blame them for not allowing non-family or non-member kids access to shoot bucks.....anytime....not just during the youth only season. Right now, those people have law behind an antlerless only restriction on their land for that weekend. Take that away....and they either have to monitor more closely themselves or be dependent on blind trust.
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Post by danf on Aug 2, 2008 8:09:54 GMT -5
Those of you concerned about poaching also need to remember that deer season has already started in several areas of the state by the time the youth hunt comes around... If someone is gonna poach a buck and decides to check it in, there's ways around that issue other than the youth season......
Poachers will still poach, regardless of the laws.
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Post by hoosieroutdoorsman on Aug 2, 2008 10:26:45 GMT -5
I wasn`t using poaching as a measure for what the laws should, I was only agreeing with a statement made by another poster. As far as the antlerless rule goes I think it should be either sex for the youth, and if they get the buck during youth it shouldn`t commit them to a doe only rest of season. Adults have the ability to register and hunt military refuge and state park hunts and get an extra buck if the property allows bucks being taken. I think the kids should have the same opportunity, a license was paid for the same as an adult license and should have the same guidlines. Just my 2 cents
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Post by jackc99 on Aug 2, 2008 10:29:02 GMT -5
Pass the popcorn. This is fun.
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Post by Woody Williams on Aug 2, 2008 11:01:17 GMT -5
........... As far as the antlerless rule goes I think it should be either sex for the youth, and if they get the buck during youth it shouldn`t commit them to a doe only rest of season. Adults have the ability to register and hunt military refuge and state park hunts and get an extra buck if the property allows bucks being taken. I think the kids should have the same opportunity, a license was paid for the same as an adult license and should have the same guidlines. Just my 2 cents Hmm.. I never thought of it that way. Maybe this SHOULD be a bonus buck for them as they are restricted to hunting just the regular season after the youth hunt. Adults get special hunts where they can take more bucks, why not the kids? Then again if it was a "bonus buck" kids might hold out for a buck?? Of course a lot of adult deer hunters go to the parks and military hunts with the soul desire to take another buck. Hmmm....Good questions............ Good discussion so far..."popcorn" or not..
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Post by Woody Williams on Aug 2, 2008 11:15:39 GMT -5
Pav,
I think a lot of the youths just goes and hunts deer where dad hunts now. That wont change with an either sex.
I know that you have stated that some property owners around you now allow “non-member kids” to come and hunt their ground as long as it is "does only".
I have to question their original motives if they now close off their land to the "non-member kids". If they close off their land then I have to believe that SOME of these people were not originally doing it to promote hunting and recruit kids as much as they were doing it to cull does from their properties.
Basically they are saying that does are lesser animals.
Have we become so jaded in our search for bigger antlers that we will deny a kid a chance to take either sex? How big of an impact on those thousands of acres would happen if a kid killed a buck?
Yes, on my little 40 acres I have had youths take deer. I have NEVER, and never will, say they can’t kill any legal deer that they want to. It is MUCH more important to me that the kid gets hooked than denying them the opportunity to take the deer of their choice.
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Post by hoosieroutdoorsman on Aug 2, 2008 11:37:30 GMT -5
Have we become so jaded in our search for bigger antlers that we will deny a kid a chance to take either sex? How big of an impact on those thousands of acres would happen if a kid killed a buck?
Yes, on my little 40 acres I have had youths take deer. I have NEVER, and never will, say they can’t kill any legal deer that they want to. It is MUCH more important to me that the kid gets hooked than denying them the opportunity to take the deer of their choice.
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AMEN Woody
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Post by dsg69 on Aug 2, 2008 11:49:51 GMT -5
I think everyone should start e-mailing the state to try and change it for this year. I have already did it. If they hear from alot of people who knows what could happen. There is power in numbers! just a thought.
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Post by jackc99 on Aug 2, 2008 18:17:51 GMT -5
I'm guessing that it would be neigh on impossible to change at this late date with the hunting guide published etc. The process to get the rule amended would have to start immediately and then got to public notice and 30 day comment period....nah, can't do this year. No way.
Jack
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Post by wtlhaven on Aug 2, 2008 22:12:35 GMT -5
I'm guessing that it would be neigh on impossible to change at this late date with the hunting guide published etc. The process to get the rule amended would have to start immediately and then got to public notice and 30 day comment period....nah, can't do this year. No way. Jack Jack, correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't the very first youth hunt come out as knowledge to the public far after the regulation book had came out for the year? Is there any chance at all the this could still happen as an emergency rule change for this year?.... Just curious.
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Post by Sasquatch on Aug 2, 2008 23:25:32 GMT -5
Yes, why let a youth hunter go out and hunt, and a giant non-typical wanders by and not allow he/she to shoot it? I do think if they take one then that should be it. Might as well let them get used to the one buck thing.
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Post by dbd870 on Aug 3, 2008 1:58:08 GMT -5
So it seems.
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Post by cambygsp on Aug 3, 2008 7:55:33 GMT -5
I don't see this thing happening this youth season, we are just too close to it now.
I also don't see the amount of available ground shrinking if we go to a either sex youth hunt for deer.
First of all......a youth MUST have a mentor during the youth season, how many mentors don't have someplace to hunt?......It's my guess that there aint very many non deer hunters taking kids deer hunting during the youth deer hunt.
Another thing I have heard recently is the youth hunt is a management tool.....lol
Management tool?.........We are talking kids not seasoned deer hunters. Isn't the purpose of a youth deer hunt to show the youth the ropes, show them a good time and hopefully hook them on the sport.
I never did see where the state said "we need more antlerless deer killed, so lets allow the youths to hunt two extra days".
Also, BUTTON BUCKS are legal under "antlerless deer"......tell me, how does it make it better for a youth to pass on a antlered deer and shoot a button buck?
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Post by hoosieroutdoorsman on Aug 3, 2008 8:07:43 GMT -5
Camby hit the nail on the head,, the youth season is to get kids out there with a mentor and get a first hand experience what deer hunting is like, but with an added safety of not having every tree covered by other hunters. And Camby is right,, a button is still a buck.
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Post by dsg69 on Aug 3, 2008 8:11:04 GMT -5
Could they do it under an emergency ryuling? If they get alot of input who knows. It would not hurt for everyone to let them know how we feel about this. I say everyone start making phone calls and sending e-mails now and push for it if not for this year than for next. The strongest voice will win.
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Post by greghopper on Aug 3, 2008 8:46:09 GMT -5
Wonder why no one is pushing for EITHER SEX in the Youth Turkey HUNT... The first Turkey you see is no different than the First Deer....How could the few youths out hunting hurt the Turkey population?
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