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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2007 15:26:03 GMT -5
Handguns are fairly short range firearms for the most part. Pistol optics are low power and making a shot longer than a 150 gr. loaded ML is only done by the experts. IT can be done, but probably isn't ove a dozen or so times a year now.
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Post by Woody Williams on Apr 12, 2007 15:26:04 GMT -5
I cant see banning the handguns either .... and I dont think they open the door for HPR's. Then we agree.. Not me. I "want" to use that "new" Ruger .44 Mag that I just got.
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Post by swilk on Apr 12, 2007 15:34:44 GMT -5
lol .... you need to give some other people whatever you are using to keep all your feathers in place. Others seem to have a problem of getting them ruffled easily.
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Post by swilk on Apr 12, 2007 15:37:59 GMT -5
Handguns are fairly short range firearms for the most part. Pistol optics are low power and making a shot longer than a 150 gr. loaded ML is only done by the experts. IT can be done, but probably isn't ove a dozen or so times a year now. In the 2005 season I killed 2 deer during MZ season ....... both verified by a range finder. First was shot at 162 yards. Reloaded and killed a second at 210 yards. Hunting the edge of a cut beanfield with the sole purpose of killing does.
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Post by Woody Williams on Apr 12, 2007 15:41:31 GMT -5
swilk,
You seem to be going the long way around in your campaign against the PCRs.
It was pointed out that your statement that muzzleloaders can be loaded down to include women and kids and still be as potent as a PCR of equal recoil was a false presumption.
Then you switch horses in mid-stream to take pot shots at PCRs by using an extension to HPRs by comparing them to the hand guns already in use.
I'm not sure where you are going with this?
BTW - Looking at the Easton site I can't get any arrows down to below 200 grains. Even the target Redlines. Maybe I'm looking in the wrong place?
Let's just put it all this way..
PCRs are coming..
Crossbow are coming.
HPRs are not.
Rilfed handguns and smokelesss MZs are here to stay.
In my opinion of course.......
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Post by swilk on Apr 12, 2007 15:56:09 GMT -5
Woody:
The bottom line is why should anyone care what I want or dont want? When it matters enough to me ...... the state will know. I just find it fun to debate these social issues with everyone. People confuse facts, opinions, wants, needs, choices and opportunities.
And .... i still contend that a MZ could easily be loaded down to duplicate a PCR. You said that 600lbft wasnt enough KE for you so I offered a remedy of 70gr powder to up it to 800-900lbft. Easy enough.
On the easton thing ..... how long are you looking to make them? Redlines 900 (i think) was listed at like 6gpi. The Carbon Express CX W1001B is listed at 6.5gpi. You could make up some pretty light arrows with either of those shafts.
At Hunters Hideway, where I bought my bowtech, he has some "spec" shafts he keeps to shoot new bows through a chrono. 5 grains per pound is what IBO goes off of so that is what he has on hand ..... You should see a 315 grain arrow go through a new Allegiance at 63lbs and a 31" draw. 337fps.
on edit: I do not have a campaign against PCR's. Never have. When asked if I support them or not my answer is "do not".
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Post by swilk on Apr 12, 2007 16:01:55 GMT -5
The redline 780 and 690's are listed at 6.3gpi.
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Post by swilk on Apr 12, 2007 16:04:15 GMT -5
The Easton Epic 600 has a 6.4gpi and it is a hunting shaft.
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Post by JohnSmiles on Apr 12, 2007 16:41:58 GMT -5
Watch your copper build-up in your 700, it's a killer in itself. Never could get all of it out of my barrel that I wanted until I got onto some foaming bore cleaner licensed through Outers. Got it at Wally World, found out about it on a custom barrel making website in Scotland. No smell like the ammonia cleaners [4 brands] I was using for years [wife chewed butt many times over the smell] and gets out stuff the smellies left behind. Squirt the stuff in after getting home from range, let sit for 24 hrs, run dry patch through and bingo. No copper [and no wife chewing on me]. Used the foam on several other centerfires, all look like new barrels now. HTH Hey thanks for the tip.
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Post by Decatur on Apr 12, 2007 17:05:53 GMT -5
You couldnt blame them if they did ..... it IS outside of the spirit of the law. Thankfully, we don't go by the "spirit of the law", we go by the LAW. A smokeless powder muzzleloader, is still a muzzleloader! We would all be in a world of hurt if law enforcement went by the spirit of the law. That is way too open to interpretation. We already have enough game laws that are open to interpretation. Let's not add more!
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Post by hunter480 on Apr 12, 2007 17:07:11 GMT -5
aahh, so there is a limit to the amount of "opportunity" a person should have? aahh, yes, there is a limit to the amount of opportunity a person should have when it presents an unsade situation-Indiana is TOO densly populated-HPR`s would not be safe in most areas, so why even begin something that isn`t needed, and would create so much confusion. Attempt to spin this however you wish, but you only lose whatever credibility you MAY have had with such a senseless perspective on this argument.
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Post by JohnSmiles on Apr 12, 2007 17:23:23 GMT -5
lol .... you need to give some other people whatever you are using to keep all your feathers in place. Others seem to have a problem of getting them ruffled easily. Well, I can't speak for 'some', but I myself have precious little patience for those simply posting here deliberately ruffling all the feathers they can for their own amusement, not for any constructive purpose whatsoever. Now ... my reasoning behind the recent posts. I was having a little fun. It is entertaining to watch people flip flop around their ethics, wants, needs, opinions ..... everything. That isn't entertainment. That is closer to sadism. And it is far from a 'healthy' hobby. . I just find it fun to debate these social issues with everyone. It is called willfully promoting conflict. Which also is not a healthy past time.
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Post by swilk on Apr 12, 2007 17:36:37 GMT -5
john, you may feel free to never converse with me again. And I will do the same with you.
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Post by swilk on Apr 12, 2007 17:40:46 GMT -5
hunter480: I only continue spinning what others start in motion.
The word "opportunity" is very often spoken here ...... I just choose to push the spinning top back in the direction it came from.
Im not afraid of loosing my credibility, but thank you for the concern.
I suppose my "sadistic" to use the words of another, fun is over. My point is proven.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2007 17:42:05 GMT -5
Handguns are fairly short range firearms for the most part. Pistol optics are low power and making a shot longer than a 150 gr. loaded ML is only done by the experts. IT can be done, but probably isn't ove a dozen or so times a year now. In the 2005 season I killed 2 deer during MZ season ....... both verified by a range finder. First was shot at 162 yards. Reloaded and killed a second at 210 yards. Hunting the edge of a cut beanfield with the sole purpose of killing does. I can kill deer that far with my 12 ga. or a pistol. What's your point? That's still with in the same range as all the other legal friearms in Ind., so it doesn't matter which one you use. Same with PCR. The same is the same.
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Post by JohnSmiles on Apr 12, 2007 17:43:41 GMT -5
. . . . . was that the sound of feathers ruffling? In all honesty, I knew you would say something someday I could agree to. ;D
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Post by Woody Williams on Apr 12, 2007 17:45:11 GMT -5
One more time... EASY GUYS!
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Post by swilk on Apr 12, 2007 18:08:44 GMT -5
honestly john .... no, that wasnt feathers rustling. I dont take things personally.
Timex: Im sorry, I guess I misunderstood the post I was responded to. You said handguns are a limited range weapon and then said loading a 150gr MZ is only done by experts .... or something like that.
I thought you were saying something about the range of MZ's. My mistake .... but in my defense if you read your original post it is quite confusing.
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Post by swilk on Apr 12, 2007 18:10:04 GMT -5
aahh ... I got what you are saying now after reading it again.
You are saying that a man with a pistol rarely makes a shot longer than what a MZ loaded with 150gr of powder is capable of making? Correct?
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Post by swilk on Apr 12, 2007 18:12:10 GMT -5
I think it would be fair to say we have several 300 yard weapons in use now. I would consider my MZ a 300 yard weapon .... and various HPR's rounds in pistols.
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