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Post by lugnutz on Apr 11, 2007 22:22:56 GMT -5
How many 200 yard shots are you actually presented with in the course of a year? Maybe its just poor little me that doesn't have a need for that range... Your not presented with 200 yards shots very often, cause your probably not looking for them either.
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Post by JohnSmiles on Apr 11, 2007 22:24:54 GMT -5
John, I understand there is a difference. You can use a muzzloader that duplicates high power ballistics but cant use a high powered rifle??? Makes no sense to me. I'm all for ballistic consistancy myself. My bad then. From your post it looked as if you were asking if the hpr meant lever guns.
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Post by JohnSmiles on Apr 11, 2007 22:28:27 GMT -5
How many 200 yard shots are you actually presented with in the course of a year? Maybe its just poor little me that doesn't have a need for that range... I don't have a need for a 10,000 bass boat, but would not mind having one. And have seen times I could use it even. As for a HPR, I have not hunted an area with that much open ground in many years. But I am not everybody, and that is the catch. What I hunt should not determine what you CAN hunt.
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Post by tenring on Apr 11, 2007 22:31:25 GMT -5
I'd use one. The biggest difference between a HPR and any other weapon. Is Accuracy. I would have to agree on that one particular point, my best in practicing with my 700 Remy in 30/06 was 10/10 on a 9 inch steel dinger at a lasered 500 yards. Have to admit though, it was off a table with a Harris bi-pod clamped on.
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Post by JohnSmiles on Apr 11, 2007 22:32:50 GMT -5
I'd use one. The biggest difference between a HPR and any other weapon. Is Accuracy. I would have to agree on that one particular point, my best in practicing with my 700 Remy in 30/06 was 10/10 on a 9 inch steel dinger at a lasered 500 yards. Have to admit though, it was off a table with a Harris bi-pod clamped on. Hey I have one of those. I have not had a chance to shoot it yet though.
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Post by tenring on Apr 11, 2007 22:41:51 GMT -5
Mine has been glass bedded, free floated, trigger worked on until it breaks like glass at 3.5 pounds. Took me over 2 years of handloading ammo to get it to do that. Had the laquer finish taken off, nice oil finish on it now, had pressed checkering cut in, Nice! Big deal though, took a Mule deer in Colorado at about 25 yards 5 points, western count, doe antelope at about 75 yards [no antler worshipping here] in Wyoming. Will take it out to Colorado this year for elk. Expected shots [hopefully] will not be over 100 yards.
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Post by JohnSmiles on Apr 11, 2007 22:49:52 GMT -5
Mine has been glass bedded, free floated, trigger worked on until it breaks like glass at 3.5 pounds. Took me over 2 years of handloading ammo to get it to do that. Had the laquer finish taken off, nice oil finish on it now, had pressed checkering cut in, Nice! Big deal though, took a Mule deer in Colorado at about 25 yards 5 points, western count, doe antelope at about 75 yards [no antler worshipping here] in Wyoming. Will take it out to Colorado this year for elk. Expected shots [hopefully] will not be over 100 yards. I ran across a good deal last summer. 77/22 with scope and a rem700 30-06 for $575 cash. Not a great deal, but a good one I could not pass on. Bought a couple hundred rounds of brass and have them loaded and ready to play with this summer. If the 30-06 is as accurate as the 77/22 hs proven itself, I will be quite happy. ;D
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Post by tenring on Apr 11, 2007 22:58:32 GMT -5
Watch your copper build-up in your 700, it's a killer in itself. Never could get all of it out of my barrel that I wanted until I got onto some foaming bore cleaner licensed through Outers. Got it at Wally World, found out about it on a custom barrel making website in Scotland. No smell like the ammonia cleaners [4 brands] I was using for years [wife chewed butt many times over the smell] and gets out stuff the smellies left behind. Squirt the stuff in after getting home from range, let sit for 24 hrs, run dry patch through and bingo. No copper [and no wife chewing on me]. Used the foam on several other centerfires, all look like new barrels now. HTH
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Post by dbd870 on Apr 12, 2007 0:23:08 GMT -5
The question is moot, it will never even be considered in this state. I would not be against them in some counties, there are areas where they could be used safely. I'm still for bringing in opportuntities that could attract new hunters and retain current ones.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2007 4:20:05 GMT -5
There is no real reason why they shouldn't be allowed, other than tradition. Rifles are as safe as shotguns and have a proven track record in lots of states. As mentioned, most already use a rifle for other uses and there's not bodies laying all over the ground because of it. IF it happened, you'd not notice any difference except maybe a few more deer killed in the large ag areas that have big fields and small edges. Put a reasonable limit on the harvest and let it go. Everything would be the same.
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Post by cambygsp on Apr 12, 2007 4:37:22 GMT -5
I aint got no need for one but I don't think the sky would fall if they were legal. I think HPR's have proven to be safe weapons in states that allow them, I don't see why Indiana would be any different.
I've personally never shot at a deer that was over 75 yards away....and maybe in 20+ years of deer hunting I have taken maybe two 75 yard shots.
Most of the areas I hunt you can't even see over 100 yards, due to the hardwood hills.
If it were presented, I would not oppose!
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Post by kevin1 on Apr 12, 2007 4:55:06 GMT -5
There is no real reason why they shouldn't be allowed, other than tradition. Rifles are as safe as shotguns and have a proven track record in lots of states. As mentioned, most already use a rifle for other uses and there's not bodies laying all over the ground because of it. IF it happened, you'd not notice any difference except maybe a few more deer killed in the large ag areas that have big fields and small edges. Put a reasonable limit on the harvest and let it go. Everything would be the same. I completely agree. Although I have no need for one personally, I see no logical reason not to legalize them for those who do.
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Post by DEERTRACKS on Apr 12, 2007 6:23:02 GMT -5
I would like to see HPR's made legal in Indiana.
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Post by oneshot on Apr 12, 2007 7:00:45 GMT -5
IMO I don't think they are necessary. I mean how hard is it really to kill a deer with a bow, shotgun, or MLR? With Indiana's liberal gun season everyone is given ample opportunity. I say learn how to hunt. But then again its JMHO.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2007 7:16:27 GMT -5
It's not a question IF it's easy or hard. Anyway, why does hunting have to be one or the other. If we didn't want deer hunting to be easier or better, we'd never shoot one unless it was running full speed. Still no real reason why to not legalize any firearm or archery type to hunt with. Let the hunters decide what they want to use.
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Post by js2397 on Apr 12, 2007 7:47:27 GMT -5
I think there is a lot of ignorance out there from the hunting and nonhunting communities. There is no data to suggest one type of firearm is safer than another type. The only thing we have is our perceptions. The only thing that makes a gun unsafe is the person behind it. I would fully support the use of HPR’s in Indiana. I do think in order for that to happen we would have to dispel many myths first. A HPR may travel miles but only if shot at a 45º angle. At normal hunting angles they would not have much more range than what is already available. Since they are not legal now I will just go buy a .25-06 encore pistol and see if I feel unsafe.
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Post by swilk on Apr 12, 2007 7:58:00 GMT -5
Woody:
Would you please weigh in on this subject? I cannot come to any conclusions unless you do so.
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Post by Woody Williams on Apr 12, 2007 8:15:02 GMT -5
Woody: Would you please weigh in on this subject? I cannot come to any conclusions unless you do so. LOL... C'Mon... you can do it.. I've enjoyed the "debate" and opinions so far except for the few personal jabs. I will say that I do agree with the one poster in that a firearm , or any other hunting tool, is only as safe as the person shooting it. I also agree with you in that you can be against something without stating a reason for it.
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Post by swilk on Apr 12, 2007 8:16:21 GMT -5
For all practical purposes they are already legal.
TC Encore and Contender.
Savage Striker
Remington XP100
Smokeless MZ's
All of these weapons duplicate almost exact ballistics of the HPR's I am talking about. I have owned and hunted with both a 30/06 encore and a .35REM contender. Never killed a deer with either of them ..... never really been a handgun shooter.
Then I moved away from shotguns and got into MZ's. First went with Knight brands and really liked them. Liked everything except cleaning them after shooting. So, I looked into and purchased a Savage. Amazing gun. Somkeless in a MZ is a pleasure.
I continue to use the Savage because I can. I honestly look for Indiana to make it Illegal in the near future ..... at least when used during the MZ season. If/when that happens I will simply start shooting 777 instead of 10x through it.
There is no good reason not to allow HPR's in Indiana ..... but it seems many people dont want them, including me.
Most of the usual suspects, with the exception of Woody (so far at least), are staying consistent and saying "yes, any more opportunity is good". I can respect that ..... dont necessarily agree with the mindset.
I guess it is a good thing that some people dont have any say or authority in the DNR or the Indiana Legislature.
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Post by swilk on Apr 12, 2007 8:19:52 GMT -5
I guess I can edit out my (so far at least) from the previous post.
The sole purpose of this thread was to see if people who so adamately support PCR's and crossbows would stay true with HPR's.
So far, with a few exceptions, you guys are at least staying consistant.
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