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Post by pigeonflier on Dec 21, 2022 21:11:38 GMT -5
Logansport is far from NW corner. Hebron is on the edge. And again your talking measurements ...
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Post by pigeonflier on Dec 21, 2022 21:28:53 GMT -5
Your missing the point. I'm talking antlered season only. Not any doe patrol. All the doe patrol you can handle. 4 days would be fine if all I were after were anything with bone on its head. But, the chances of me killing a big buck in four days of hunting, while possible, probably isn't going to happen. A 4-day season is going to consist of four consecutive days most likely, and I've never taken off work to deer hunt. That leaves me two days. And when you hunt hundreds of acres, deer can be anywhere, so you may not see deer in the same location daily. Heaven forbid we had four days of hard rain and wind. You can't just say, "Well there's always next year", as that will lead to an overpopulation of antlered deer the following season. My personal opinion is that by reducing gun season days, you are forcing people to shoot any buck to fill their tag, which isn't conducive to growing large-antlered deer. So for the states that do have these shortened gun seasons. If they have bad weather then that leads to a over population of male deer. And I'm sure bad weather does play into deer harvest numbers in this instance. So how do these states handle that? |
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Post by whitetaildave24 on Dec 21, 2022 21:33:58 GMT -5
How about them bows and crossbows everyone is using?
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Post by tynimiller on Dec 21, 2022 21:34:15 GMT -5
Guys...this site has not had much drama for a good while. Let's keep it that way. Woody has given more to Indiana hunters than most of us realize. If you come to his site to cast shade on a guys legal choice or want to restrict hunting seasons, I recommend you do it without pot stiring or passive aggressively poking at a person you have never met. Did I miss a post or something? Who came here attacking in such a manner? Woody and I love and respect eachother FTR and I hope this cryptic post wasn’t directed at me, but if it was please let me know. |
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Post by tynimiller on Dec 21, 2022 21:35:42 GMT -5
But you did say one thing that makes me think you might be reading. You said maybe my local area. And this NW corner does have a higher hunter density.. 2 hunting friends live in Hebron area, and another, Logansport. They kill some damn good deer on regular basis. All 3 killed 150"+ in 2021, 1 killed a 150+ in bow this year, 2 others still at it. I hunt some St. Joseph County and Elkhart County - Pigeon is just west of me in St. Joseph County (at least his urban spot is) |
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Post by boonechaser on Dec 21, 2022 21:42:24 GMT -5
4 days would be fine if all I were after were anything with bone on its head. But, the chances of me killing a big buck in four days of hunting, while possible, probably isn't going to happen. A 4-day season is going to consist of four consecutive days most likely, and I've never taken off work to deer hunt. That leaves me two days. And when you hunt hundreds of acres, deer can be anywhere, so you may not see deer in the same location daily. Heaven forbid we had four days of hard rain and wind. You can't just say, "Well there's always next year", as that will lead to an overpopulation of antlered deer the following season. My personal opinion is that by reducing gun season days, you are forcing people to shoot any buck to fill their tag, which isn't conducive to growing large-antlered deer. So for the states that do have these shortened gun seasons. If they have bad weather then that leads to a over population of male deer. And I'm sure bad weather does play into deer harvest numbers in this instance. So how do these states handle that? Lol. Weather effects our firearms harvest on occasion. Just a few years ago opening weekend was a disaster , with rain and high winds, harvest numbers were way down that season because of it. Our DNR uses firearms as it's main population control tool. (Always has). Chance's of that changing anytime soon are slim to none, for a whole number of reasons. A few being. 1.) Just made a concentrated effort to lower population. 2.) CWD knocking on our doorsteps. 3.) Farm group lobbies. We have kinda hijacked this thread. Lol. Was simply a pole thread on type weapon we used. I will call it a night. |
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Post by pigeonflier on Dec 21, 2022 21:47:58 GMT -5
Population can be controlled with any length of gun season doe patrol you want.
CWD problems will only put more restrictions.
Farm group lobbies want antlerless kills.
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Post by pigeonflier on Dec 21, 2022 21:52:04 GMT -5
2 hunting friends live in Hebron area, and another, Logansport. They kill some damn good deer on regular basis. All 3 killed 150"+ in 2021, 1 killed a 150+ in bow this year, 2 others still at it. I hunt some St. Joseph County and Elkhart County - Pigeon is just west of me in St. Joseph County (at least his urban spot is) My reduction spot is north st joe. My regular is south st joe right next to potato creek. That area has property lines every 10 to 30 acres. Try hunting those conditions. |
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Post by freedomhunter on Dec 21, 2022 22:02:28 GMT -5
Guys...this site has not had much drama for a good while. Let's keep it that way. Woody has given more to Indiana hunters than most of us realize. If you come to his site to cast shade on a guys legal choice or want to restrict hunting seasons, I recommend you do it without pot stiring or passive aggressively poking at a person you have never met. Did I miss a post or something? Who came here attacking in such a manner? Woody and I love and respect eachother FTR and I hope this cryptic post wasn’t directed at me, but if it was please let me know. Its not you. I'm not sure what is going on honestly but he is a good dude and a great hunter maybe calm down a little. |
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Post by tynimiller on Dec 21, 2022 22:04:07 GMT -5
I hunt some St. Joseph County and Elkhart County - Pigeon is just west of me in St. Joseph County (at least his urban spot is) My reduction spot is north st joe. My regular is south st joe right next to potato creek. That area has property lines every 10 to 30 acres. Try hunting those conditions. Know it well. Grew up primarily hunting our nine acre woods behind house that come firearms season i at minimum knew of eight different neighbors within a distance they’d hear you if you rattled antlers. My other main spot was a four acre chunk with neighboring pressure to west as close as fifty yards and to the south as close as eighty. Trust me it wasn’t until we gained access on a seventy acre farm (only about 22 actually not open tillable) that I could hunt a day and usually not see another hunter once firearms season would hit (that place crazy enough had some of the worst neighbors back then tho) Then 2016 I bought my 22 acres and it has a dozen or thirteen different owners that touch a boundary and over those six years have had over 20 trespassing cases and even a pot grower trying to set up shop. Small acres, tons of pressure is literally all I’ve personally ever known sadly. However still I’m incredibly blessed as I have spots to go, albeit with their issues and I even was blessed with 22 acres I get to try constantly to make better. I have many a friend whom I’d love to be blessed with their access and I have many that would love to have what I have…fact is blessings abound I try to only focus on that when it comes to what I can hunt. |
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Post by tynimiller on Dec 21, 2022 22:06:21 GMT -5
Did I miss a post or something? Who came here attacking in such a manner? Woody and I love and respect eachother FTR and I hope this cryptic post wasn’t directed at me, but if it was please let me know. Its not you. I'm not sure what is going on honestly but he is a good dude and a great hunter maybe calm down a little. Woody would message me or shoot even call me I bet if he truly thought I was attacking him. He knows that is the last thing I’d ever mean to do - written text isn’t always best form of communication too. Woody is a man I’ll defend till I draw last breath to many if they attack his character and heart - man would never purposely do another harm and he has done far more for hunters than most of us collectively will ever. |
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Post by freedomhunter on Dec 21, 2022 22:30:32 GMT -5
Its not you. I'm not sure what is going on honestly but he is a good dude and a great hunter maybe calm down a little. Woody would message me or shoot even call me I bet if he truly thought I was attacking him. He knows that is the last thing I’d ever mean to do - written text isn’t always best form of communication too. Woody is a man I’ll defend till I draw last breath to many if they attack his character and heart - man would never purposely do another harm and he has done far more for hunters than most of us collectively will ever. It's for a rise and you are giving to him. We all know nothing is ever going to change with our seasons or weapons to manage like our neighbors it's just a pipe dream. That ship sailed |
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Post by tynimiller on Dec 21, 2022 22:41:27 GMT -5
Woody would message me or shoot even call me I bet if he truly thought I was attacking him. He knows that is the last thing I’d ever mean to do - written text isn’t always best form of communication too. Woody is a man I’ll defend till I draw last breath to many if they attack his character and heart - man would never purposely do another harm and he has done far more for hunters than most of us collectively will ever. It's for a rise and you are giving to him. We all know nothing is ever going to change with our seasons or weapons to manage like our neighbors it's just a pipe dream. That ship sailed I personally don’t want or feel seasons need changed or anything removed from options. The whole Crossbow sharings was actually prompted when someone asked my opinions of why I desire to have one sometimes and what advantages I see in them. Crossbows are here to stay, and personally I think used properly has opened up doors to so many hunters to extend their archery seasons, introduce kids to archery or help many who simply cannot figure out vertical for numerous reasons a way to get out and enjoy a time of the year a lot of us love to be up a tree. |
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Post by freedomhunter on Dec 21, 2022 22:50:04 GMT -5
It's for a rise and you are giving to him. We all know nothing is ever going to change with our seasons or weapons to manage like our neighbors it's just a pipe dream. That ship sailed I personally don’t want or feel seasons need changed or anything removed from options. The whole Crossbow sharings was actually prompted when someone asked my opinions of why I desire to have one sometimes and what advantages I see in them. Crossbows are here to stay, and personally I think used properly has opened up doors to so many hunters to extend their archery seasons, introduce kids to archery or help many who simply cannot figure out vertical for numerous reasons a way to get out and enjoy a time of the year a lot of us love to be up a tree. Yeah for sure I'm just glad when I get to hunt anymore. |
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Post by esshup on Dec 21, 2022 23:29:21 GMT -5
Crossbow, Savage .45 Cal Muzzleloader, a plethora of firearms, depending where I am at. .450 BM, .243 Browning Mountain Ti, Kimber Mountain Ascent .308, I might break out the 7mm Allen Magnum yet this year (urban zone).
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Post by marshallco on Dec 21, 2022 23:51:17 GMT -5
I have a Barnett ghost 350, have never killed a deer with it. We also have a youth Barnett crossbow that has 2 notches on it. I am/was an NRA certified bow instructor for our 4h, but honestly haven’t shot my bow in years. Not doing 4h archery any longer either, too much kid stuff to go to. After missing a few deer with easy shots I quit with the compound, because I know don’t practice enough, I knew it was time for a crossbow. The neat thing is, my daughter has started shooting my old bow and wants to get a deer with it. Funny how this cycle goes sometimes…
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Post by michaelc on Dec 22, 2022 6:38:32 GMT -5
I made my switch in 2016 at the age of 36 and I'm 42 now. I didn't really need to, just wanted to try something new. The bow I used was a Myles Keller Flatliner XI maxed out at 70# draw and 0# let off, so it was pain to keep it at full draw for a extended period of time though I practiced with that in mind. My buddies gave me grief when I made the switch, but I told them that the equipment isn't what truly makes the hunter a hunter. It's the ability to be able to read the deers play book and making your adjustments accordingly to insure you make a successful harvest.
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Post by Woody Williams on Dec 22, 2022 9:27:34 GMT -5
Much to my displeasure I am doing something I have very seldom had to do in the past - I'm locking this thread. It got way out of hand and off topic. It is apparent that there is some pot stirring going on. A reminder that we are all here to share stories, help each other out and have friendly and civil discussions about hunting.
If a person is here to just stir the pot then I would suggest that they find another pot somewhere else. I'm a patient man, but I do have my limits.
Thank you..
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