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Post by trapperdave on Jan 5, 2017 9:21:49 GMT -5
Where has anyone said it was the ONLY reason? OBR has saved ZERO bucks. Look at the numbers. More bucks killed after OBR than before lol
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Post by greghopper on Jan 5, 2017 9:26:44 GMT -5
Where has anyone said it was the ONLY reason? OBR has saved ZERO bucks. Look at the numbers. More bucks killed after OBR than before lol ok...lol
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Post by steiny on Jan 5, 2017 9:34:27 GMT -5
I don't mind having the outfitters and their clients hunting around me. They are typically selective about their harvest, holding out for 130" and bigger stuff and might shoot one doe, while the local dudes want to fill 4 doe tags and shoot anything brown.
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Post by trapperdave on Jan 5, 2017 9:37:53 GMT -5
OBR has saved ZERO bucks. Look at the numbers. More bucks killed after OBR than before lol ok...lol Harvest numbers prove it. Lol
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Post by greghopper on Jan 5, 2017 9:43:57 GMT -5
Harvest numbers prove it. Lol You got it figured out Dave....lol
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Post by trapperdave on Jan 5, 2017 9:52:49 GMT -5
20 years of buck harvest...
1995=47098 1996=47315 1997=42537 1998=44955 1999=46372 2000=44621 2001=48357 2002=47177=start of OBR 2003=49533 2004=54743 2005=52488 2006=49097 2007=49375 2008=50845 2009=52878 2010=53007 2011=50717 2012=45936 2013=46240 2014=45686 2015=50475
So where did the bucks get saved? LOL
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Post by trapperdave on Jan 5, 2017 9:53:51 GMT -5
And x=5
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Post by greghopper on Jan 5, 2017 10:06:56 GMT -5
And some can't see the forest for the trees.... SMH
Carry on Dave..
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Post by trapperdave on Jan 5, 2017 10:28:28 GMT -5
Kinda hard to offer a logical rebuttal when confronted with facts, eh?
Have a nice day
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Post by 1shotwade on Jan 5, 2017 10:28:46 GMT -5
I don't mind having the outfitters and their clients hunting around me. They are typically selective about their harvest, holding out for 130" and bigger stuff and might shoot one doe, while the local dudes want to fill 4 doe tags and shoot anything brown. Maybe it's just who we come in contact with in our respective areas but I find that the local people are above board and the hunters that have moved in or are from out of town to be very disrespectful to the laws,fence lines, common courtesies,wanton waste etc.We had had to remove quite a few people from our stands in the past 30 years and every one of them were people we didn't know and our family didn't know and every one of them were something other than local a.i. "just moved into the are/out of towners etc." I can't count the times my uncle has had trouble over his lease hunters setting up on a line fence so they could shoot over on the neighbors property or fence jumping or shooting into people's buildings etc.These are the people that give hunters a bad name,not the locals. Wade
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Post by swilk on Jan 5, 2017 10:29:37 GMT -5
Where has anyone said it was the ONLY reason? OBR has saved ZERO bucks. Look at the numbers. More bucks killed after OBR than before lol lol .... still funny very time I read or hear it.
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Post by swilk on Jan 5, 2017 10:30:37 GMT -5
Harvest numbers prove it. Lol oh ... you were serious? Im not really sure what to say to that ..... I guess ill just continue to laugh.
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Post by 1shotwade on Jan 5, 2017 10:33:57 GMT -5
What OBR has done is to cause a lot of hunters to be more selective in taking their only buck of the season which allows some of the younger bucks to become older bucks.You won't have big bucks if you keep killing the little bucks. Wade
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Post by ms660 on Jan 5, 2017 10:39:20 GMT -5
20 years of buck harvest... 1995=47098 1996=47315 1997=42537 1998=44955 1999=46372 2000=44621 2001=48357 2002=47177=start of OBR 2003=49533 2004=54743 2005=52488 2006=49097 2007=49375 2008=50845 2009=52878 2010=53007 2011=50717 2012=45936 2013=46240 2014=45686 2015=50475 So where did the bucks get saved? LOL I wonder is there a break down of the number of archery killed bucks and firearm bucks for all these totals above. I wasn't for the OBR when the battle was being faught. I have accepted it now for better or worse. It has made me very selective of what buck I hang my tag on. Seldom though did I tag two bucks in a season prior to the OBR, but it was nice having the option of doing it if I chose to. The tape measure has forever changed the sport of deer hunting.
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Post by firstwd on Jan 5, 2017 10:43:06 GMT -5
What OBR has done is to cause a lot of hunters to be more selective in taking their only buck of the season which allows some of the younger bucks to become older bucks.You won't have big bucks if you keep killing the little bucks. Wade I believe the "monster bucks" all the television shows kill, the now social stigma of shooting an "inferior" deer, and the need for recognition has done more than the OBR. Indiana has always had big deer they just haven't always been shown off.
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Post by jjas on Jan 5, 2017 10:53:54 GMT -5
Using Dave's date of 2002 as the first obr year, I went back and looked @ the antlered deer harvest numbers from 1992/2001 and then went from 2002/15 to compare what percentage of the total harvest that antlered deer accounted for both pre/post obr.
Pre-obr, antlered deer made up 43.7% of the total harvest.
Post-obr, antlered deer made up 41% of the total harvest.
And....
Pre-obr, the average number of antlered deer harvested was 45,000 per season.
Post-obr, the average number of antlered deer harvested was 42,500 per season.
Either way, I don't see much of a difference.
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Post by boonechaser on Jan 5, 2017 11:00:58 GMT -5
DATA ,DATA ,DATA everyone love's it. BIG PROBLEM in above comparison's is the varibles are constantly changing making the DATA unreliable IMO. EX. Season lengths and new seasons being added. Weapon's being added. (Crossbow, handgun's, and rifles and several more. Has OBR resulted in more bucks or older bucks??? Probably but both were already trending upwards. So who is right and who is wrong in the argument? Have no idea, but it is what we have so I try to make the best of it.
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Post by ms660 on Jan 5, 2017 11:34:42 GMT -5
Prior the OBR when we could tag two bucks could you tag a buck in firearms season and the another in muzzle loader season? can't remember , or did it only have bearing on those who used a bow and later a gun in firearms season. The data jjas posted shows exactly what the OBR has did and that's is taking away the bow hunters ability to harvest one in archery and another in firearms. The OBR did not have any factor at all for the gun only hunter. At least this is how I read the figures. All this really doesn't even matter, The OBR is here to stay IMHO and soon maybe a new ODR (one doe rule)LOL
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Post by greghopper on Jan 5, 2017 11:43:16 GMT -5
The OBR is here to stay IMHO and soon maybe a new ODR (one doe rule)LOL Just remember with the mind set of some here we will kill more does with a ODR....SMH
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Post by 1shotwade on Jan 5, 2017 11:49:06 GMT -5
DNR's job is to "manage" the herd. We can now take all the does you ever would want to as long as we do not exceed the county limit which a lot are 8 antlerless.I doubt we will live long enough to see a restriction of one or two does per year.
Wade
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