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Post by trapperdave on May 28, 2016 8:39:39 GMT -5
Lol
No doubt!
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Post by trapperdave on May 28, 2016 8:46:41 GMT -5
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Post by firstwd on May 28, 2016 11:07:29 GMT -5
Is there a state that does not allow baiting and considers foodplots baiting? I don't see foodplots ever being legally considered baiting. There's too much money in it and nobody is fighting it. I would bet there are some seed companies that actually lobby against baiting just because they see it as competition. It does sound like something California would try though. The whole wildlife manipulation thing cracks me up. You are manipulating the habitat to make it more attractive to wildlife. So you are fine with the principality of the practice but not the terminology?
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Post by firstwd on May 28, 2016 11:08:31 GMT -5
Food plots and Habitate manipulation Make your property able to sustain a more healthy population of wildlife without the risk associated with congregating at a bait pile for the sole purpose of killing a animal apples and oranges Red apples to yellow apples, or dropped from a tree apples to dropped from a bucket apples. Either way, still apples.
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Post by Woody Williams on May 28, 2016 11:27:55 GMT -5
Thanks to all for keeping this civil and informative....
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Post by firstwd on May 28, 2016 11:32:17 GMT -5
No reason not to Woody. We all have different opinions, I just like to try to understand everybody else's.
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Post by trapperdave on May 28, 2016 11:53:51 GMT -5
The only ones I really find offensive are the ones who decry high fences and baiting in Indiana, but think its OK to go to Texas and hunt over a feeder behind a high fence.
My opinions don't change at state lines and are JUST my opinion.
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Post by throbak on May 28, 2016 12:34:14 GMT -5
The FIRST thing done When CWD is confirmed is Ban Baiting and feeding and mineral sites If it's obviously a problem then why allow it to begin with
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Post by firstwd on May 28, 2016 15:00:24 GMT -5
The FIRST thing done When CWD is confirmed is Ban Baiting and feeding and mineral sites If it's obviously a problem then why allow it to begin with Fair enough. Why are they allowed now then?
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Post by Woody Williams on May 28, 2016 15:14:09 GMT -5
No reason not to Woody. We all have different opinions, I just like to try to understand everybody else's. True, but some things can get contentious ..
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Post by sakorifle on May 28, 2016 17:42:07 GMT -5
NA woody i am going to let you off, but next time please sit still,lol
my definition of Cheating is anything lawful is not cheating how an it be, everyone to there own. regards billy
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Post by jackryan on May 28, 2016 21:18:21 GMT -5
I don't recall if I started the conversation, I doubt that. But I said that I don't have a problem with it. I've done it many times and the among the people I hunted with it was expected. I also said I hunt out of a Summit Viper. I NEVER leave it out and many many stands of my own were flat out stolen. I probably also said if I killed one from a stand left in the HNF you'd know it because I'll nail his nuts to the tree. IF you want to rehash the thread then you should bring it up there. Isn't that kind of cheating, using someone else's stand that they worked to put up?
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Post by jackryan on May 28, 2016 21:40:37 GMT -5
I don't recall if I started the conversation, I doubt that. But I said that I don't have a problem with it. I've done it many times and the among the people I hunted with it was expected. I also said I hunt out of a Summit Viper. I NEVER leave it out and many many stands of my own were flat out stolen. I probably also said if I killed one from a stand left in the HNF you'd know it because I'll nail his nuts to the tree. IF you want to rehash the thread then you should bring it up there. Isn't that kind of cheating, using someone else's stand that they worked to put up? Yeah, I suppose it is. I don't know. I guess I'm kinda wishy washy on it. Never really gave it a thought until that other thread a while back. It was always just a common thing among everyone we all hunted together. We all hunted out of each other's stands all over every farm we hunted on. Fact is I hunted for decades before I ever sat down on any thing but a wood platform one of us nailed up in a tree. Out tradition was pretty much if you put it up you had first dibs but if you weren't sitting in it any one with permission on the farm used it. Some times it was almost a competition to see if you could make it so you could get in it and stand to hunt from it with out it being so easy and comfortable for any one else to use it. LOL. Others were almost a tree HOUSE. I did the same thing every where after that, I put up WAY more stands than I ever used of any one else and most every where just left them up. There were heavy home made things and rope and block steps tied on. I know where there's STILL one there because the chain grew in to the tree. Did it all the time until people stole ever single one I put up in one year. That was the end of that. I'm sure I killed deer from stands other people put up "down at the farm". Just never kept track other than if there was a rivalry going on, then the story ever piece of fur that hit the ground came from that person's favorite stand and it would have deer nutz nailed all over it. No matter where it died, "Yeah I shot that right from that folding chair you keep up there..." ROTFL. On the other side of the coin I've seen guys who think they've bought public ground for the cost of a couple 2x4's and some plywood. Over at Brookville a few years some guy had like 20 platforms cabled to trees as far as you could walk from Egypt Hollow ramp. He had those things every where. We were hunting from the ground on a high bluff and I could actually SEE two of his tree stands on top of hills next to the cut power line from there. One about 300 yards away and another I couldn't even guess. We were shooting to the beach down in the valley between, he couldn't even see it from there if he was there. Then one year he happened to see us up on that ridge, yep, next week end he had a platform tied to a tree right where we were sitting. Came tromping up the hill about 8 and all in a huff. "You gonna hunt right here in front of my stand?" LOL, he tromped right back down. Was it cheating? I sure never started a thread worrying over it. I don't even think there was an internet back then.
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Post by jackryan on May 28, 2016 21:45:04 GMT -5
It's CURRENTLY illegal to dump apples or corn in middle of a field and hunt over it. It perfectly legal to dump apples or corn in a field and not hunt over it. It's also legal to dump them all year to feed and train the deer, then stop dumping it in enough time for the "food" to be gone before you hunt over the area. A member here does that currently with mineral sites and feeders, but like you, thinks that placing a bait pile to hunt over isn't right. We all have our opinions, and very few are open to understanding the opposite opinion, let alone changing theirs. Again I ask, why is it okay for people with the money, time, and space to do food plots and other wildlife manipulation but not bait piles? I wanna add to the question. Why is it ok to bait/minerals in front of of camera or supplement feed in the winter with feeders? The disease issues are still there but seem to be main issue once season is in. Can't have one or the other. If it spreads on bait piles it will spread at feeders/mineral licks. Because Walmart sells a ton of those feeders and if it weren't legal they wouldn't have any excuse to sell all those things cheaters use. You notice when they STOCK those don't you? They aren't loading up on those to have them for sale in February.
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Post by jackryan on May 28, 2016 21:50:57 GMT -5
Here's something else to think about. I've shot more than a couple does right from that front porch. At least once stepping out the front door in my socks never even putting shoes on until it was meat on the ground. One year I was so sick with the flue and sore throat I didn't even get any further opening day than getting dressed, start up the truck, and change my mind. Then coming in the house I thought I'd just sit in the front porch swing a while and let the orange army chase them out of the woods in front of me. Dang if I didn't shoot a doe off my apple tree before noon. Was that cheating? Sure felt like it. I'm pretty sure I didn't put my orange hat on stepping out in my socks to shoot. I might have but I can't say I remember. I'd have said straight out that was so easy it was cheating, it sure as heck wasn't hunting. I didn't plant the apple tree. There wasn't any food plot, not even so much as a bird feeder or salt block. Wife wanted a bunch of ever green stuff decorating the porch this year so we put that up around the rails. Completely her idea and she kept after me to get that done before people came for dinner at Thanksgiving. I'm getting old. It's been my plan since I bought this place I'd be able to hunt in some fashion no matter what happened. Even if I got so old and crippled I ever had to stoop to a crossbow I could still set it on the porch rail and shoot it as long as I still had one good finger to pull the trigger. Is that cheating? Meh, it feels like it now but it didn't when I was burning up with fever and it was that or not hunt opening day. My persimmon tree 20 feet off the corner of the porch is about done in and this year I planted 20 new ones around the place in the hopes I'll live long enough to shoot deer off at least one somewhere in the yard but NONE of it is where I normally hunt. It's been years since I've seen a deer bigger than anything I've already got out there in the yard. Shooting does about any where seems so easy it's cheating to me. If you have to ask, you already know it's cheating. That's a fact.
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Post by duff on May 29, 2016 7:15:15 GMT -5
Glad you came back Jack or found this place. I know we have been on a few of the same message boards as you over the years and I always enjoyed your posts.
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Post by Jamie Brooks 1John5:13 on May 29, 2016 7:47:19 GMT -5
That's a beautiful place you have there Jack.
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Post by medic22 on May 29, 2016 8:24:43 GMT -5
Appears jack is getting bored with the little to no traffic on INS also lol
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Post by duff on May 29, 2016 8:40:42 GMT -5
Appears jack is getting bored with the little to no traffic on INS also lol I like that place too just hardly go there. Some good folks there.
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Post by greghopper on May 29, 2016 9:52:18 GMT -5
Here's something else to think about. I've shot more than a couple does right from that front porch. At least once stepping out the front door in my socks never even putting shoes on until it was meat on the ground. One year I was so sick with the flue and sore throat I didn't even get any further opening day than getting dressed, start up the truck, and change my mind. Then coming in the house I thought I'd just sit in the front porch swing a while and let the orange army chase them out of the woods in front of me. Dang if I didn't shoot a doe off my apple tree before noon. Was that cheating? Sure felt like it. I'm pretty sure I didn't put my orange hat on stepping out in my socks to shoot. I might have but I can't say I remember. I'd have said straight out that was so easy it was cheating, it sure as heck wasn't hunting. I didn't plant the apple tree. There wasn't any food plot, not even so much as a bird feeder or salt block. Wife wanted a bunch of ever green stuff decorating the porch this year so we put that up around the rails. Completely her idea and she kept after me to get that done before people came for dinner at Thanksgiving. I'm getting old. It's been my plan since I bought this place I'd be able to hunt in some fashion no matter what happened. Even if I got so old and crippled I ever had to stoop to a crossbow I could still set it on the porch rail and shoot it as long as I still had one good finger to pull the trigger. Is that cheating? Meh, it feels like it now but it didn't when I was burning up with fever and it was that or not hunt opening day. My persimmon tree 20 feet off the corner of the porch is about done in and this year I planted 20 new ones around the place in the hopes I'll live long enough to shoot deer off at least one somewhere in the yard but NONE of it is where I normally hunt. It's been years since I've seen a deer bigger than anything I've already got out there in the yard. Shooting does about any where seems so easy it's cheating to me. If you have to ask, you already know it's cheating. That's a fact. Thanks for your insight and view from a Senior Hooiser...I always love the view of folks with Hunting history
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