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Post by throbak on May 27, 2016 13:10:46 GMT -5
Sako you said it perfectly when it gets to the point you have to kill foxes you bait them !! Everyone wants good pics they bait the deer and turkeys to the camera Baiting is for killing or concentrating the prey !
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Post by chubwub on May 27, 2016 13:15:25 GMT -5
Well, apple trees aren't exactly natural are they? Someone had to plant them in that specific spot. I killed a deer in PA while sitting in an apple tree.. Yes, every time I moved on the limb an apple or three fell. Was I baiting? I'm going to go out on a limb and say you were certainly "bending" the rules!
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Post by firstwd on May 27, 2016 14:33:47 GMT -5
Sako you said it perfectly when it gets to the point you have to kill foxes you bait them !! Everyone wants good pics they bait the deer and turkeys to the camera Baiting is for killing or concentrating the prey ! So do food plots, mineral sites, hinge cutting, water holes, trail clearing....
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Post by MuzzleLoader on May 27, 2016 14:54:04 GMT -5
Mock scrapes, deer pee, cedar post in a food plot, scent wafers.....
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Post by chubwub on May 27, 2016 15:34:17 GMT -5
I dunno about you, but I put duck decoys down while waterfowl hunting because I want to them to land right in front of me so I can shoot them in the face and kill them.
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Post by jackryan on May 27, 2016 16:32:26 GMT -5
Well, apple trees aren't exactly natural are they? Someone had to plant them in that specific spot. I killed a deer in PA while sitting in an apple tree.. Yes, every time I moved on the limb an apple or three fell. Was I baiting? I don't recall if I started the conversation, I doubt that. But I said that I don't have a problem with it. I've done it many times and the among the people I hunted with it was expected. I also said I hunt out of a Summit Viper. I NEVER leave it out and many many stands of my own were flat out stolen. I probably also said if I killed one from a stand left in the HNF you'd know it because I'll nail his nuts to the tree. IF you want to rehash the thread then you should bring it up there.
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Post by throbak on May 27, 2016 16:49:34 GMT -5
There's other benifits to the practices you mention :first ,besides killing a deer ..there's no way your going to justify A truckload of apples or corn in the middle of a field as a way to hunt it's ilegle for a reason and I hope it stays ilegle
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Post by chubwub on May 27, 2016 16:53:55 GMT -5
I killed a deer in PA while sitting in an apple tree.. Yes, every time I moved on the limb an apple or three fell. Was I baiting? I don't recall if I started the conversation, I doubt that. But I said that I don't have a problem with it. I've done it many times and the among the people I hunted with it was expected. I also said I hunt out of a Summit Viper. I NEVER leave it out and many many stands of my own were flat out stolen. I probably also said if I killed one from a stand left in the HNF you'd know it because I'll nail his nuts to the tree. IF you want to rehash the thread then you should bring it up there. Isn't that kind of cheating, using someone else's stand that they worked to put up?
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Post by Woody Williams on May 27, 2016 17:17:08 GMT -5
I killed a deer in PA while sitting in an apple tree.. Yes, every time I moved on the limb an apple or three fell. Was I baiting? I'm going to go out on a limb and say you were certainly "bending" the rules! Now THAT is funny!!
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Post by Woody Williams on May 27, 2016 17:20:14 GMT -5
I killed a deer in PA while sitting in an apple tree.. Yes, every time I moved on the limb an apple or three fell. Was I baiting? I'm going to go out on a limb and say you were certainly "bending" the rules! I'll tell you what.. Best deer I ever ate, The apple trees were in the middle of a big clover field.. Sweeeeettttt!
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Post by nfalls116 on May 27, 2016 19:52:49 GMT -5
I like grapes with seeds
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Post by firstwd on May 27, 2016 21:15:05 GMT -5
There's other benifits to the practices you mention :first ,besides killing a deer ..there's no way your going to justify A truckload of apples or corn in the middle of a field as a way to hunt it's ilegle for a reason and I hope it stays ilegle It's CURRENTLY illegal to dump apples or corn in middle of a field and hunt over it. It perfectly legal to dump apples or corn in a field and not hunt over it. It's also legal to dump them all year to feed and train the deer, then stop dumping it in enough time for the "food" to be gone before you hunt over the area. A member here does that currently with mineral sites and feeders, but like you, thinks that placing a bait pile to hunt over isn't right. We all have our opinions, and very few are open to understanding the opposite opinion, let alone changing theirs. Again I ask, why is it okay for people with the money, time, and space to do food plots and other wildlife manipulation but not bait piles?
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Post by nfalls116 on May 27, 2016 21:20:50 GMT -5
The only manipulation I like to do for deer is primarialy facial and spinal deconstruction via rapid lead injection, but... If it were legal I would establish a mineral site I agree with firstwd here
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Post by daneowner on May 27, 2016 22:11:40 GMT -5
There's other benifits to the practices you mention :first ,besides killing a deer ..there's no way your going to justify A truckload of apples or corn in the middle of a field as a way to hunt it's ilegle for a reason and I hope it stays ilegle It's CURRENTLY illegal to dump apples or corn in middle of a field and hunt over it. It perfectly legal to dump apples or corn in a field and not hunt over it. It's also legal to dump them all year to feed and train the deer, then stop dumping it in enough time for the "food" to be gone before you hunt over the area. A member here does that currently with mineral sites and feeders, but like you, thinks that placing a bait pile to hunt over isn't right. We all have our opinions, and very few are open to understanding the opposite opinion, let alone changing theirs. Again I ask, why is it okay for people with the money, time, and space to do food plots and other wildlife manipulation but not bait piles?
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Post by daneowner on May 27, 2016 23:07:06 GMT -5
I guess one reason is bait piles are, (as of now) illegal and food plots are legal. I will agree that some food plots are like larger bait piles. I guess the question each person has to ask their self is what do they consider fair chase. I am one who owns land, am retired and spend money on food plots for the wildlife and improve the soil on my farm at the same time. It's what I enjoy doing. I'm sure some spend just as much on other hobbies. I will agree that what I do will "manipulate" the wild life on and around my property. My plot's are scattered in all areas around on my place so I don't concentrate "manipulate" then in one small area like a bait pile would. Yes the wildlife could,would survive without my plots. To "me" a bait pile and food plotting are not in the same category.
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Post by GS1 on May 28, 2016 0:57:11 GMT -5
Is there a state that does not allow baiting and considers foodplots baiting?
I don't see foodplots ever being legally considered baiting. There's too much money in it and nobody is fighting it. I would bet there are some seed companies that actually lobby against baiting just because they see it as competition.
It does sound like something California would try though.
The whole wildlife manipulation thing cracks me up. You are manipulating the habitat to make it more attractive to wildlife.
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Post by nfalls116 on May 28, 2016 6:14:34 GMT -5
Is there a state that does not allow baiting and considers foodplots baiting? I don't see foodplots ever being legally considered baiting. There's too much money in it and nobody is fighting it. I would bet there are some seed companies that actually lobby against baiting just because they see it as competition. It does sound like something California would try though. The whole wildlife manipulation thing cracks me up. You are manipulating the habitat to make it more attractive to wildlife. I think selling one bag of alfalfa seed doesn't pay as well as selling whatever custom corn based blend you design for an extreme markup so it seems to me the seed companies would reap larger profits off of a bag of corn with some molasses
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Post by throbak on May 28, 2016 6:50:47 GMT -5
Food plots and Habitate manipulation Make your property able to sustain a more healthy population of wildlife without the risk associated with congregating at a bait pile for the sole purpose of killing a animal apples and oranges
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Post by MuzzleLoader on May 28, 2016 6:56:02 GMT -5
There's other benifits to the practices you mention :first ,besides killing a deer ..there's no way your going to justify A truckload of apples or corn in the middle of a field as a way to hunt it's ilegle for a reason and I hope it stays ilegle It's CURRENTLY illegal to dump apples or corn in middle of a field and hunt over it. It perfectly legal to dump apples or corn in a field and not hunt over it. It's also legal to dump them all year to feed and train the deer, then stop dumping it in enough time for the "food" to be gone before you hunt over the area. A member here does that currently with mineral sites and feeders, but like you, thinks that placing a bait pile to hunt over isn't right. We all have our opinions, and very few are open to understanding the opposite opinion, let alone changing theirs. Again I ask, why is it okay for people with the money, time, and space to do food plots and other wildlife manipulation but not bait piles? I wanna add to the question. Why is it ok to bait/minerals in front of of camera or supplement feed in the winter with feeders? The disease issues are still there but seem to be main issue once season is in. Can't have one or the other. If it spreads on bait piles it will spread at feeders/mineral licks.
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Post by nfalls116 on May 28, 2016 7:28:06 GMT -5
It's CURRENTLY illegal to dump apples or corn in middle of a field and hunt over it. It perfectly legal to dump apples or corn in a field and not hunt over it. It's also legal to dump them all year to feed and train the deer, then stop dumping it in enough time for the "food" to be gone before you hunt over the area. A member here does that currently with mineral sites and feeders, but like you, thinks that placing a bait pile to hunt over isn't right. We all have our opinions, and very few are open to understanding the opposite opinion, let alone changing theirs. Again I ask, why is it okay for people with the money, time, and space to do food plots and other wildlife manipulation but not bait piles? I wanna add to the question. Why is it ok to bait/minerals in front of of camera or supplement feed in the winter with feeders? The disease issues are still there but seem to be main issue once season is in. Can't have one or the other. If it spreads on bait piles it will spread at feeders/mineral licks. you take your rationality and get out of here there no sense in using common sense. We all know the only time concentrated numbers of deer causes disease outbreaks is during the fall, that's why we hunt them to dicrease the concentration during the prime time of year before disease can be spread...
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