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Post by daneowner on May 16, 2016 4:57:18 GMT -5
^^^^^ those aren't food plots, those are crop fields that you don't harvest. Seriously people, someone explain how in the world deer ever survived before so many people started feeding deer all winter/year? I just don't get it.
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Post by boonechaser on May 16, 2016 11:00:05 GMT -5
The benefit's of food plot's are many. Additional food source's for not just deer but all wildlife and the main purpose and why I do is to not only draw deer to your property but to get them to spend a large majority of their time on your property. I really don't consider what I do as food plots but farming for wildlife. I have close to 15 acres of crop land planted specifically for wildlife. (Alfalfa, clover, corn, beans and in fall oats and some turnip mixes).
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Post by firstwd on May 16, 2016 11:06:47 GMT -5
The benefit's of food plot's are many. Additional food source's for not just deer but all wildlife and the main purpose and why I do is to not only draw deer to your property but to get them to spend a large majority of their time on your property. I really don't consider what I do as food plots but farming for wildlife. I have close to 15 acres of crop land planted specifically for wildlife. (Alfalfa, clover, corn, beans and in fall oats and some turnip mixes). So you have no problem with wildlife manipulation as long as somebody doesn't take the cheap and easy way about doing it?
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Post by nfalls116 on May 16, 2016 11:09:14 GMT -5
Bait piles feed all kinds of wildlife.
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Post by boonechaser on May 16, 2016 12:43:00 GMT -5
"Wildlife manipulation" Have not heard that term before. I would call it wildlife management myself. Personally I believe if IDNR made baiting legal it would not help the majority of non landowners as I am sure that they would put in the "only on private property rule" thus you wouldn't be able to use bait on state own properties. From what I have seen and read the majority of support for baiting is from non landowner side.
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2016 12:56:48 GMT -5
For all the food plot hunters and bait hunters; why not buy some great valued trees from the secure.in.gov/dnr/forestry/3606.htm and click on the " Tree Seedling Order instructions". Five years ago I purchased the wildlife package (110 trees), 100 white oak trees, and 100 Crimson Red Oak Trees. I planted all 310 trees on 3 acres. Some of the wildlife trees have already produced fruit. The 3 acres area already had about a dozen white oak trees (25 years) and a few honey locus trees. This is a food plot for all animals and will last for decades. I see more bucks now in this area than ever. It seems the bucks have taken this area over from the does. I had no idea it would have this effect.
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Post by boonechaser on May 16, 2016 13:16:11 GMT -5
For all the food plot hunters and bait hunters; why not buy some great valued trees from the secure.in.gov/dnr/forestry/3606.htm and click on the " Tree Seedling Order instructions". Five years ago I purchased the wildlife package (110 trees), 100 white oak trees, and 100 Crimson Red Oak Trees. I planted all 310 trees on 3 acres. Some of the wildlife trees have already produced fruit. The 3 acres area already had about a dozen white oak trees (25 years) and a few honey locus trees. This is a food plot for all animals and will last for decades. I see more bucks now in this area than ever. It seems the bucks have taken this area over from the does. I had no idea it would have this effect. I also planted 300 trees last spring. 50 of the wildlife package and 250 white and red pines. Converted 6 acres of rolling hay ground into bedding and thermal cover for deer. So far this year I planted 6- 6ft. tall white pines and 4 apple trees. Just ordered 50 cedar and plan to plant within next 30 days. Long term goal is to plant at least 50 new trees a year.
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Post by tynimiller on May 16, 2016 13:17:12 GMT -5
Natural brows and mass...of course it will have a good impact Just don't ever let it mature to the extent of a park like setting and it will continue to always be utilized.
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2016 13:27:04 GMT -5
For all the food plot hunters and bait hunters; why not buy some great valued trees from the secure.in.gov/dnr/forestry/3606.htm and click on the " Tree Seedling Order instructions". Five years ago I purchased the wildlife package (110 trees), 100 white oak trees, and 100 Crimson Red Oak Trees. I planted all 310 trees on 3 acres. Some of the wildlife trees have already produced fruit. The 3 acres area already had about a dozen white oak trees (25 years) and a few honey locus trees. This is a food plot for all animals and will last for decades. I see more bucks now in this area than ever. It seems the bucks have taken this area over from the does. I had no idea it would have this effect. I also planted 300 trees last spring. 50 of the wildlife package and 250 white and red pines. Converted 6 acres of rolling hay ground into bedding and thermal cover for deer. So far this year I planted 6- 6ft. tall white pines and 4 apple trees. Just ordered 50 cedar and plan to plant within next 30 days. Long term goal is to plant at least 50 new trees a year. Sounds great, I tried 15 years ago to grow 6 apple trees and bucks destroyed them over time. FYI - keep a strong cage around them. I took mine off after the apple trees had a 3-4" diameter. Not a good idea. The bucks rub them to death that year.
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2016 13:33:11 GMT -5
Natural brows and mass...of course it will have a good impact Just don't ever let it mature to the extent of a park like setting and it will continue to always be utilized. I know in time some of the oaks will need to harvested to the tree loggers.
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Post by boonechaser on May 16, 2016 14:33:30 GMT -5
I cage all my trees. Lost a few to bucks that figured out they could remove the cages with their racks. Havn't got cages on the larger pines I just planted yet. (6' to 7' tall) But will before summers end or sooner if they start eating on them. I am 52 so nothing I plant will be logged in my lifetime. Majority of what I am planting is for bedding and thermal cover.
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Post by chubwub on May 25, 2016 16:35:50 GMT -5
This is a similar set-up to what I used to hunt over at the old farm near the apple orchard. CO's had been out a few times before for other business, never said a peep. Perfectly "natural agricultural practice". The neighbors would leave so many apples on the ground while picking that just weren't quite good enough for cider, etc. If this is perfectly legal I really don't see why we need to bust somebody's chops for making a pile of apples in the woods. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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Post by tynimiller on May 26, 2016 8:46:47 GMT -5
This is a similar set-up to what I used to hunt over at the old farm near the apple orchard. CO's had been out a few times before for other business, never said a peep. Perfectly "natural agricultural practice". The neighbors would leave so many apples on the ground while picking that just weren't quite good enough for cider, etc. If this is perfectly legal I really don't see why we need to bust somebody's chops for making a pile of apples in the woods. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ The biggest discernment or difference between a bait pile and a food plot or even the case in the picture is you don't control when the food is introduced and available, the food does. Apple trees drop on their schedule, clover pops and grows on its schedule...same with beans or acorns. Agree, disagree or don't care that is one thing typically I can get all to agree upon. It may be the only difference one sees when discussing, but it is a difference.
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Post by firstwd on May 26, 2016 20:09:03 GMT -5
This is a similar set-up to what I used to hunt over at the old farm near the apple orchard. CO's had been out a few times before for other business, never said a peep. Perfectly "natural agricultural practice". The neighbors would leave so many apples on the ground while picking that just weren't quite good enough for cider, etc. If this is perfectly legal I really don't see why we need to bust somebody's chops for making a pile of apples in the woods. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ The biggest discernment or difference between a bait pile and a food plot or even the case in the picture is you don't control when the food is introduced and available, the food does. Apple trees drop on their schedule, clover pops and grows on its schedule...same with beans or acorns. Agree, disagree or don't care that is one thing typically I can get all to agree upon. It may be the only difference one sees when discussing, but it is a difference. Every bit of baiting, food plots, man made water holes, fences, or hing cutting falls under the idea of wildlife manipulation. Animals survived well before humans decided they needed our help. The most help they need is from humans. Bait likes are seen as the lazy way out, but usually work against their intended plan. This is like people being mad because the neighbor got to the woods late and killed a big buck with not having to work for it.
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Post by tynimiller on May 26, 2016 21:44:00 GMT -5
I agree they all fall under the title you stated, or can. Wasn't saying one was or wasn't.
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Post by jackryan on May 26, 2016 23:06:18 GMT -5
"Wildlife manipulation" Have not heard that term before. I would call it wildlife management myself. Personally I believe if IDNR made baiting legal it would not help the majority of non landowners as I am sure that they would put in the "only on private property rule" thus you wouldn't be able to use bait on state own properties. From what I have seen and read the majority of support for baiting is from non landowner side. Wild life manipulation, LOL, that's a good one. Farming ain't hunting. Feed the cows. Hunt the deer.
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Post by trapperdave on May 27, 2016 6:54:18 GMT -5
"Wildlife manipulation" Have not heard that term before. I would call it wildlife management myself. Personally I believe if IDNR made baiting legal it would not help the majority of non landowners as I am sure that they would put in the "only on private property rule" thus you wouldn't be able to use bait on state own properties. From what I have seen and read the majority of support for baiting is from non landowner side. Don't see food plots on public either...just sayin
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Post by throbak on May 27, 2016 7:51:49 GMT -5
Face it Baiting is for the people that live in the city come down to Their lease One week Dump a pile of something go back the next wk end kill a deer and go home they don't want to hunt they want to kill something That's all baiting is about !!!
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Post by chubwub on May 27, 2016 8:13:12 GMT -5
You can plant things to perfectly coincide to be at their full peak when you plan to hunt, and fence the area off until you want them to eat it. Why else would my husband and I have selected certain apple and pear cultivars that drop heavily around the month we plan to hunt? Also, what would you call this? This looks highly controlled to me, almost as controlling as a bait feeder with a timer. Not terribly expensive either. I agree that honestly all of it is wildlife manipulation and not management. I did not trim trees for the betterment of the deer herd, I trimmed the trees to create a trail that encourages them to take the path of least resistance right to my stand. Now one can argue that food and water is both management and manipulation.
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Post by medic22 on May 27, 2016 8:23:20 GMT -5
"Wildlife manipulation" Have not heard that term before. I would call it wildlife management myself. Personally I believe if IDNR made baiting legal it would not help the majority of non landowners as I am sure that they would put in the "only on private property rule" thus you wouldn't be able to use bait on state own properties. From what I have seen and read the majority of support for baiting is from non landowner side. Don't see food plots on public either...just sayin Ive seen food plots on public land, planted by DNR
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