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Post by firstwd on May 29, 2016 10:55:04 GMT -5
Here's something else to think about. I've shot more than a couple does right from that front porch. At least once stepping out the front door in my socks never even putting shoes on until it was meat on the ground. One year I was so sick with the flue and sore throat I didn't even get any further opening day than getting dressed, start up the truck, and change my mind. Then coming in the house I thought I'd just sit in the front porch swing a while and let the orange army chase them out of the woods in front of me. Dang if I didn't shoot a doe off my apple tree before noon. Was that cheating? Sure felt like it. I'm pretty sure I didn't put my orange hat on stepping out in my socks to shoot. I might have but I can't say I remember. I'd have said straight out that was so easy it was cheating, it sure as heck wasn't hunting. I didn't plant the apple tree. There wasn't any food plot, not even so much as a bird feeder or salt block. Wife wanted a bunch of ever green stuff decorating the porch this year so we put that up around the rails. Completely her idea and she kept after me to get that done before people came for dinner at Thanksgiving. I'm getting old. It's been my plan since I bought this place I'd be able to hunt in some fashion no matter what happened. Even if I got so old and crippled I ever had to stoop to a crossbow I could still set it on the porch rail and shoot it as long as I still had one good finger to pull the trigger. Is that cheating? Meh, it feels like it now but it didn't when I was burning up with fever and it was that or not hunt opening day. My persimmon tree 20 feet off the corner of the porch is about done in and this year I planted 20 new ones around the place in the hopes I'll live long enough to shoot deer off at least one somewhere in the yard but NONE of it is where I normally hunt. It's been years since I've seen a deer bigger than anything I've already got out there in the yard. Shooting does about any where seems so easy it's cheating to me. If you have to ask, you already know it's cheating. That's a fact. And this children is a prime example of the Method stage leading to the Sportsman stage of Hunter Development. I don't see anything about it as cheating. It's simple wildlife manipulation to better your chances at a future time.
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Post by wesb81219 on May 29, 2016 11:04:44 GMT -5
Stoop to a crossbow? Does that mean you've never used a gun or compound bow to hunt? Do you only hunt traditional recurve bows? Because I'm pretty sure at some point in time a gun or a compound bow was new technology and thought of the Same way some think about crossbows.
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Post by jackryan on May 29, 2016 11:11:17 GMT -5
Appears jack is getting bored with the little to no traffic on INS also lol Well I like to keep my options open.
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Post by jackryan on May 29, 2016 11:16:20 GMT -5
Glad you came back Jack or found this place. I know we have been on a few of the same message boards as you over the years and I always enjoyed your posts. Well thank you Duff, I recognize it's an acquired "taste" and not for everyone. I've never really LEFT I still cruise through most of the boards I've ever posted on once in a while to see what the conversation is like. May be comment may be not. Sometimes it leads to a conversation sometimes not. Sort of like going out for a walk around the factory back in the old days. Like the old crews I hunted with, I don't think I've changed any or much. Every one else has, or moved, quit or died. When the barber dies, ya usually have to find a new barber shop to hang around.
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Post by jackryan on May 29, 2016 11:19:02 GMT -5
Stoop to a crossbow? Does that mean you've never used a gun or compound bow to hunt? Do you only hunt traditional recurve bows? Because I'm pretty sure at some point in time a gun or a compound bow was new technology and thought of the Same way some think about crossbows. Yesterday's news papers...
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Post by dbd870 on May 29, 2016 16:16:03 GMT -5
Let's move it along.
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Post by Jamie Brooks 1John5:13 on May 30, 2016 11:52:28 GMT -5
Yep.
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Post by chubwub on May 31, 2016 3:05:26 GMT -5
I just think it's weird to accuse others of cheating for various methods but the turn around and not follow the advice you give and do something that doesn't add up to the morals one has so diligently layed out for themselves and others.
Like people who get mad and critcize us if we water swat birds in our decoys but will tell me how they went hunting yesterday and just did jump shooting because they didn't want to put out decoys.
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Post by sakorifle on May 31, 2016 5:23:23 GMT -5
Here's something else to think about. I've shot more than a couple does right from that front porch. At least once stepping out the front door in my socks never even putting shoes on until it was meat on the ground. One year I was so sick with the flue and sore throat I didn't even get any further opening day than getting dressed, start up the truck, and change my mind. Then coming in the house I thought I'd just sit in the front porch swing a while and let the orange army chase them out of the woods in front of me. Dang if I didn't shoot a doe off my apple tree before noon. Was that cheating? Sure felt like it. I'm pretty sure I didn't put my orange hat on stepping out in my socks to shoot. I might have but I can't say I remember. I'd have said straight out that was so easy it was cheating, it sure as heck wasn't hunting. I didn't plant the apple tree. There wasn't any food plot, not even so much as a bird feeder or salt block. Wife wanted a bunch of ever green stuff decorating the porch this year so we put that up around the rails. Completely her idea and she kept after me to get that done before people came for dinner at Thanksgiving. I'm getting old. It's been my plan since I bought this place I'd be able to hunt in some fashion no matter what happened. Even if I got so old and crippled I ever had to stoop to a crossbow I could still set it on the porch rail and shoot it as long as I still had one good finger to pull the trigger. Is that cheating? Meh, it feels like it now but it didn't when I was burning up with fever and it was that or not hunt opening day. My persimmon tree 20 feet off the corner of the porch is about done in and this year I planted 20 new ones around the place in the hopes I'll live long enough to shoot deer off at least one somewhere in the yard but NONE of it is where I normally hunt. It's been years since I've seen a deer bigger than anything I've already got out there in the yard. Shooting does about any where seems so easy it's cheating to me. If you have to ask, you already know it's cheating. That's a fact. No it certainly is not cheating sir. Had one been twenty five years old able to run a marathon, climb a tree and run a deer down with a knife between ones teeth then i would have a different view. As one gets older the running around like an idiot has to stop that is a fact of life, but as one gets hopefully the wiser one gets and finds other ways of enjoyig the things one likes to do like hunting. yes even chasing women im buying a battery buggy for that when i need to, i aint giving up on that, lol It is only common sense if one cannot pull a bow, just go to a crossbow or wait until gun season, and if one cannot go find the deer then try to bring ONE to you. It is the only time i would bait deer myself,one for the freezer, but everyone to there own. regards Billy
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Post by jackryan on May 31, 2016 10:17:58 GMT -5
I just think it's weird to accuse others of cheating for various methods but the turn around and not follow the advice you give and do something that doesn't add up to the morals one has so diligently layed out for themselves and others. Like people who get mad and critcize us if we water swat birds in our decoys but will tell me how they went hunting yesterday and just did jump shooting because they didn't want to put out decoys. I'm not a duck hunter so I had to study this a minute to decipher what you were saying. Water swat? You mean shoot sitting ducks on the water with a shot gun?
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Post by Woody Williams on Jun 8, 2016 9:37:28 GMT -5
Lots of input on baiting at the GotInput...
If anyone wants a copy of the GotInput file PM me your Email addy. Might be a day or two before I can send it as I am on vacation.,,.t
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Post by jackryan on Jun 8, 2016 22:11:55 GMT -5
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Post by swetz on Jun 9, 2016 20:33:57 GMT -5
Hmm. I plan to try to start some persimmons from my trees if I get fruit this fall. I'm intrigued by these Dunstan Chestnuts now after reading about them. Anyone have any experience with them?
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Post by duff on Jun 10, 2016 4:20:38 GMT -5
that has been my strategy after attempting a food plot or two i realized it is a hobby and marketing thing as much as anything. Deer love giant rag weed this time of the year based on the browse line in my woods.
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Post by throbak on Jun 10, 2016 7:18:05 GMT -5
Your on to something there duff Get 2 1/2 gal round up Kill every spot of fescue or any sod forming grass you see What's in the seed bank "ragweed and lots of others " will come up and do just as well for the health of the deer as any thing you could plant
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Post by jackryan on Jun 10, 2016 9:59:12 GMT -5
Hmm. I plan to try to start some persimmons from my trees if I get fruit this fall. I'm intrigued by these Dunstan Chestnuts now after reading about them. Anyone have any experience with them? These are my first, and my only mistake was researching them on the internet AFTER I bought them based on the description on the package. I've got a good friend I didn't even know had planted some 6 years ago, in full sun. He's had no nut production so far but on the plus side there is no sign of blight yet. I've "planted" persimmon seeds by the thousands over the paste 15 years and have yet to see the first one make it past a few inches tall before they "disappear" or die. I'd highly recommend just buying some seedlings and get a year or two head start. If I'd done that to start they would be ten feet tall by now instead of 2 feet.
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Post by iceman10 on Jun 12, 2016 13:40:08 GMT -5
I have grown persimmon trees from seed , the key to there survival is when you put them in the ground buy some tree tubes . I bought Plantra tree tubes . I started with 80 trees from seed , over the summer they grew to 24" and I planted in the fall . I put 35 in tree tubes and just planted the rest , all 35 are going strong and are 6' tall now . The ones planted without tubes are 3' & I have lost half of them for various reasons . Good luck on your growing project !
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Post by greghopper on Jun 13, 2016 13:54:16 GMT -5
Lots of input on baiting at the GotInput... If anyone wants a copy of the GotInput file PM me your Email addy. Might be a day or two before I can send it as I am on vacation.,,.t Bump... I sent you a pm
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Post by iceman10 on Jul 1, 2016 6:59:39 GMT -5
Got to do some clover maintenance this week & took a quick ride to check my persimmon trees & found one was already coming out of tree tube and by fall 80% will pop out the top . The trees were planted September 2014
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