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Post by INhuntin on Jan 19, 2014 23:24:27 GMT -5
You guys shoot what you want, I just did the math it is cheaper for me to drive to KY & use my 7.62x54r Mil. Surp rifle to take deer than to keep driving about 60 miles each way to use my shotgun. It will cost me $190 for deer hunting tags in KY, half of the price of gas I used to hunt this year was over $200, it is only 30 miles to the hunting area in KY. The math tells me there is better or at least cheaper hunting in KY.
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Post by drs on Jan 20, 2014 5:27:23 GMT -5
You guys shoot what you want, I just did the math it is cheaper for me to drive to KY & use my 7.62x54r Mil. Surp rifle to take deer than to keep driving about 60 miles each way to use my shotgun. It will cost me $190 for deer hunting tags in KY, half of the price of gas I used to hunt this year was over $200, it is only 30 miles to the hunting area in KY. The math tells me there is better or at least cheaper hunting in KY. Be aware that the Kentucky Department of Fish & Wildlife, is proposing to raise Hunting & Fishing Fees this year or up-coming hunting seasons. Some cases the fees will double in price. www.state-journal.com/latest%20headlines/2013/09/05/cost-to-fish-hunt-in-kentucky-may-increase
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Post by throbak on Jan 20, 2014 9:24:18 GMT -5
The weapons we use now are as accurate as Center fires ..the distance they are used at is what I am referring to Where I hunt with a Center fire it would be Deer SHOOTING not Deer Hunting There are very NO situations where a Center fire Is NEEDED to Kill a deer in Indiana and keep up with the management plan in use
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Post by shouldernuke on Jan 20, 2014 9:58:04 GMT -5
In all honesty old hunters get hung up on the weapons and tactics we use .I have noticed that and try to monitor my feelings on that .But we here in IN have always been handed inherently more inaccurate weapons and difficult to use and underpowered at distance .The fact a hunter don't need a gun that carries a good punch at 300 yards does not in any way equate to the fact others do .And frankly I love to hit deer / big game at 50 -100 yards with my 270 or 30-06 when hunting out of state and watching them just fall down with pin point accuracy .IN has got to in the weapon and tactics issues catch up with the rest of the country that has had deer hunting for 100 years .I beleive we as a state have so many hunters with recoil flintching because of the high recoil guns we have had to use for the last 5 decades that we have a very high wounding rate here that other states just do not have .
Why not make it easy to use the weapons we choose .Why does shooting an animal have to be hard ??The act of pulling an acurate trigger or the type weapon we use should never be hard .Just the hunting its self should be hard or carry some sort of personal skills .
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Post by M4Madness on Jan 20, 2014 16:53:03 GMT -5
The weapons we use now are as accurate as Center fires ..the distance they are used at is what I am referring to Where I hunt with a Center fire it would be Deer SHOOTING not Deer Hunting There are very NO situations where a Center fire Is NEEDED to Kill a deer in Indiana and keep up with the management plan in use My reason for wanting a centerfire rifle is that it is cheaper than a wildcat rifle, and would be easier to sell if I decided I wanted to part with it and buy something else. I doubt anyone outside of Indiana would want a .358 Hoosier or .358 WSSM.
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Post by spainy79 on Jan 20, 2014 21:10:21 GMT -5
I'd love to take a whitetail with my Mosin but after building my 450 AR and having a 44 lever gun on standby I'm pretty content where I'm at as far as cartridges go. Waiting for some better weather and time to get out and fine tune that 450 more.
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Post by omegahunter on Jan 21, 2014 9:36:56 GMT -5
I doubt that. They knew what they were doing and were fully aware of what was already being used when they revised and went to 1.8". If they did know, why all the silly rules?? IF those wildcat 1.8" cartridges produce the same ballistic & power as conventional cartridges; they why not permit commercial loads as being legal as well?? I heard or read in another forum that the reason they IDNR went to a 1.8" length was to allow the .460 S&W to be legal. I agree with swilk. They knew exactly what they were doing. They included a commercial cartridge (.460 S&W) that was not chambered in any repeating rifles and only a few firearms at that. The whole deal right now seems to restrict the number of long reaching, commercially available cartridges. It seems they want those that are going to use them to invest time and money so that there should be inherently more care taken by the individual in pursuit of deer, rather than running into Rural King and picking up a 30/30 and a box of ammo and heading to the woods. If it were about "power" of the cartridge, the .444 Marlin or .35 Remington would have been included without modification to the brass. The restrictions are about availability of what they consider appropriate commercial cartridges and not about any power factor. And please don't try to tell me that a 30/30 can only shoot 100 yards! Please!! Now there are lots of cartridges between a .410 slug and a .358 WSM 1.8 that can be had off-the-shelf or with no more modification than trimming the brass and reloading so that anyone can abide by the regulations. But if you want "more", you will have to pay more or invest more time in getting what you want.
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Post by drs on Jan 21, 2014 10:23:20 GMT -5
It's too bad we no longer have Winchesters .401 WSL cartridge available. Some of those long discontinued cartridges, of .357" & up, would have been legal now, if they are 1.8" in case length.
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Post by oldhoyt on Jan 23, 2014 17:22:56 GMT -5
401 WSL is indeed legal to use. Finding or making ammo would be the real challenge.
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Post by tenring on Jan 23, 2014 18:39:40 GMT -5
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Post by drs on Jan 24, 2014 6:15:04 GMT -5
Back several years ago, at a Gun Store in Evansville; I saw a Winchester Model 10 in .401 WSL. The rifle was in fine shape, and there was a couple more WSL's chambered in .351 & .35 WSL cartridges. I passed on the .401 as at that time ammunition was impossible to find; so I bought the Model 07 in .351 WSL for my collection. Sold that rifle several years ago and it's accuracy wasn't all that great.
Once at a Gun Show in Evansville, there was a vendor that had .401 WSL ammunition made from 7.62 X 39 m/m, how he did this is unknown to me. If you search real hard you can come across a box of factory .401s but be prepared to pay an "Arm & Leg" for them!!
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Post by jackryan on Jan 27, 2014 1:38:59 GMT -5
I'd support going back to shotguns and muzzle loaders. Like it was back when we had GOOD hunting.
That's simple enough even an out of stater or a 20 year old may be able to comprehend it and it wouldn't need explained every ten minutes. Most the people I've seen shoot with my own eyes and who want 300 yard guns wounded and missed more deer last year at 50 yards than they killed and tagged.
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Post by dbd870 on Jan 27, 2014 5:35:22 GMT -5
A poor shooter who won't practice is going to be a problem no matter what he has in his hand, at least with a PCR you have less of a thumper than a 12GA slug; so is a 260 Rem for that matter. That kind of thinking is the same reasoning that the liberals use to restrict our rights. Yeah the regs are more complex, that is true; one more reason just to open it up. Just like states that adopt carry licenses didn't see blood flowing in the streets. The ER wouldn't be full of hunters with stray bullets in their behinds either.
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Post by drs on Jan 27, 2014 5:49:18 GMT -5
I'd support going back to shotguns and muzzle loaders. Like it was back when we had GOOD hunting. That's simple enough even an out of stater or a 20 year old may be able to comprehend it and it wouldn't need explained every ten minutes. Most the people I've seen shoot with my own eyes and who want 300 yard guns wounded and missed more deer last year at 50 yards than they killed and tagged. Not sure I follow your line of thinking, Jack. Do you mean going back to "smoothbore" Shotgun and Foster Slugs?? Most of the new shotgun Deer guns have rifled barrels that are just as accurate as Pistol Cartridges, so wouldn't they be similar on accuracy and knock-down power?? Same goes for M/L with rifled barrels and sabot bullets. Not much difference in performance. As far as Deer Hunting being better, back when you stated, there was more places for Folks to hunt and habitat was more abundant than today. Don't think the type of firearm has that much to do with declining Deer population, which has more to do with policy of the IDNR.
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Post by swilk on Jan 27, 2014 6:59:07 GMT -5
My deer hunting is better today than it has ever been.
By far.
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Post by drs on Jan 27, 2014 7:20:41 GMT -5
My deer hunting is better today than it has ever been. By far. Mine is too. I own my hunting property, here in Kentucky.
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Post by jackryan on Jan 27, 2014 16:16:25 GMT -5
I'd support going back to shotguns and muzzle loaders. Like it was back when we had GOOD hunting. That's simple enough even an out of stater or a 20 year old may be able to comprehend it and it wouldn't need explained every ten minutes. Most the people I've seen shoot with my own eyes and who want 300 yard guns wounded and missed more deer last year at 50 yards than they killed and tagged. Not sure I follow your line of thinking, Jack. Do you mean going back to "smoothbore" Shotgun and Foster Slugs?? Most of the new shotgun Deer guns have rifled barrels that are just as accurate as Pistol Cartridges, so wouldn't they be similar on accuracy and knock-down power?? Same goes for M/L with rifled barrels and sabot bullets. Not much difference in performance. As far as Deer Hunting being better, back when you stated, there was more places for Folks to hunt and habitat was more abundant than today. Don't think the type of firearm has that much to do with declining Deer population, which has more to do with policy of the IDNR. ROTFL, I knew even that would be too complicated for someone even when they can look it up they can't understand something they don't want to. I HOPE it's just because you don't want to. ...AND it's an almost perfect example of why I nearly never post or read hunting boards any more. The people there thing they are weapons experts and hunting experts and then they can't comprehend the meaning of words like "shotgun" or "muzzle loader". Then apparently don't know what one is now, forget about the history of them even back to ancient times like 20 years ago. Oh but just ask them about rules or rule changes and buddy they are an authority.
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Post by drs on Jan 28, 2014 5:31:18 GMT -5
Not sure I follow your line of thinking, Jack. Do you mean going back to "smoothbore" Shotgun and Foster Slugs?? Most of the new shotgun Deer guns have rifled barrels that are just as accurate as Pistol Cartridges, so wouldn't they be similar on accuracy and knock-down power?? Same goes for M/L with rifled barrels and sabot bullets. Not much difference in performance. As far as Deer Hunting being better, back when you stated, there was more places for Folks to hunt and habitat was more abundant than today. Don't think the type of firearm has that much to do with declining Deer population, which has more to do with policy of the IDNR. ROTFL, I knew even that would be too complicated for someone even when they can look it up they can't understand something they don't want to. I HOPE it's just because you don't want to. ...AND it's an almost perfect example of why I nearly never post or read hunting boards any more. The people there thing they are weapons experts and hunting experts and then they can't comprehend the meaning of words like "shotgun" or "muzzle loader". Then apparently don't know what one is now, forget about the history of them even back to ancient times like 20 years ago.
Oh but just ask them about rules or rule changes and buddy they are an authority. Jack, sorry you failed to understand my post, in reaction to yours. Must tell you that when it comes to understanding modern firearms, like the difference between Shotgun, Rifles, and Muzzle Loaders, I am very well educated & have above average knowledge of such equipment. As for a rule changes, then you'll just have to take that up with the IDNR; in the meantime it's your choice to use smoothbore shotguns to fire foster type slugs or a Flintlock M/L with patched round ball, to use as your Deer hunting equipment.
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Post by featherduster on Jan 28, 2014 7:38:37 GMT -5
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Post by holyland on Feb 5, 2014 5:35:14 GMT -5
Indiana Hunting Regulations can be frustrating at times when you want to go hunting with a more common rifle caliber. I want to have the law updated so we can use a broader range of calibers.
Hunting white tail deer all 30 caliber rifles should be legalized in Indiana. These modern 30 caliber cartridges are used nationwide year round for hunting, target practice and other activities. People are limited on how they are able to hunt with the way the law is now; we are not able to used our Grandpa’s old 3030 rifle or any other modern rifle because of the current law. 30 caliber riffles are used in a lot of states for hunting deer and I believe Indiana should allow us to have the same option. I feel it’s a shame that many people who move to Indiana and have more common caliber rifles are forbidden to use them for hunting and can only find themselves with the choice of shots guns or the limited selection listed in the DNR book.
It can cost more than most people have to build a gun around the offered legal calibers. One gentleman said, “My dad has hunted with a shotgun his whole life, and the recoil is getting painful in his older age. I would love to let him borrow my rifle that has much less recoil, because I am not able to afford to buy him a new one that happens to fit inside Indiana’s narrow caliber rules”. Indiana ground isn’t flat like a lot of people say, we have hills which would be backstops for the bullets and people in tree stands don’t fire up in the air and their backstop is the ground. Hunters on the ground position themselves near a deer trail so that they can find a deer in a controlled space so when they shoot they have a backstop so the bullet will be limited on travel and won’t hit anyone. As far as the arguments against using modern cartridges, any bullet is lethal. If a hunter is shooting without being certain they have an effective backstop then they are willing to risk of someone's life for a deer. Hunter education should cover these safety issues.
My argument for legalizing modern rifle calibers would be:
*Greater accuracy so you will have a cleaner kill. The animal will suffer less, and you will have less wounded deers running away only to have the hunter not retrieve the injured deer and shoot another. The hunter would have more control of his shot placement limiting damage to the deer’s vital organs.
*More people own the more common calibers, so you may have more people take up an interest in hunting, selling more licenses and rifles in Indiana increasing Indiana's revenue.
*Hunters from out of state can hunt here since the rifle's they already own can be used also increasing Indiana's revenue by selling the higher priced out of state licenses.
*Most modern rifle calibers have lower recoil than a shotgun, allowing older hunters to hunt longer. It may also reduce injuries of people falling out of stands due to the heavier recoil knocking them off balance in a tree stand.
Please sign my petition. If you have any suggestions please feel free to comment in the forum’s thread. Thank you.
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