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Post by swilk on Jan 16, 2014 6:54:30 GMT -5
Groundhog Day??
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Post by dbd870 on Jan 16, 2014 7:54:40 GMT -5
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Post by omegahunter on Jan 16, 2014 9:03:01 GMT -5
You want to hunt deer in Indiana with something other than a shotgun or muzzleloader? Pony up the bucks like some of us have and buy (or have made) a rifle that meets the requirements of the law.
The 1.625 and 1.8 rules have not only brought some of us more enjoyment in our deer hunting experience, but it has put a lot of money in the pockets of gun shops and gunsmiths to get us there. That is a good thing for Indiana ecomony and to help sustain those whose life is working with and on firearms and not just the Gander Mountain's and Wally World's that don't know squat about guns or ammunition other than just following a list of directions on how to fill out the forms and call in to NICS.
I would much rather see someone put in the time and expense to meet current restrictions than see someone run to WalMart the evening before opener to pick up a 243, scope, & ammo and head to the woods the next morning. Although I am sure than this happens because there are many production rifles available to meet the restrictions, but not many that have the effective range of what is being proposed by this petition.
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Post by drs on Jan 16, 2014 9:35:39 GMT -5
You want to hunt deer in Indiana with something other than a shotgun or muzzleloader? Pony up the bucks like some of us have and buy (or have made) a rifle that meets the requirements of the law. The 1.625 and 1.8 rules have not only brought some of us more enjoyment in our deer hunting experience, but it has put a lot of money in the pockets of gun shops and gunsmiths to get us there. That is a good thing for Indiana ecomony and to help sustain those whose life is working with and on firearms and not just the Gander Mountain's and Wally World's that don't know squat about guns or ammunition other than just following a list of directions on how to fill out the forms and call in to NICS. I would much rather see someone put in the time and expense to meet current restrictions than see someone run to WalMart the evening before opener to pick up a 243, scope, & ammo and head to the woods the next morning. Although I am sure than this happens because there are many production rifles available to meet the restrictions, but not many that have the effective range of what is being proposed by this petition.
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Post by steve46511 on Jan 16, 2014 11:11:12 GMT -5
I, personally, like the oddball restrictions. Some neat rounds have come to be and, I for one, like seeing "MORE" of anything in the world of hunting.
I didn't build the 350JR "because I needed one". I built it because it was FUN, self challenging, educational and "COOL!"
I want to build another "odd ball" and would regardless if "standard" rounds became legal.....but that's just me. I had a blast and want to do another (in progress .....paperwork wise) when I can.
I don't follow it all REAL close but finding "REASONS" to change yet again that the powers that be will pay much attention to......is gonna be ROUGH, but maybe I'm a pessimist.
CFR's are something FAIRLY new to a lot hunting here and I thought it was pretty awesome, regardless if I UNDERSTOOD their "reasoning" for the current legislature (or agree with) and I'm pretty tickled I hunted with one a year and plan to more, God willing. CFRs had a big part in my youth popping crows and ground hogs. It never dawned on my till recently at a local gun shop/range that a HUGE number of young hunters have never EVER shot a center fire rifle. I am thankful for their addition to our wonderful world of whitetail hunting....regardless of case length or bore.
It's NO MORE than another chapter in a very long book of a lifetime of deer hunting in my case, and suspect to a few others as well.
While the range the AVERAGE deer is taken has indeed had some yardage added to it......dang few that I KNOW have had much opportunity to push the range of the current legal wildcats. For every one I know of shot over 150 yards, I know of 25 shot under 100 yards...or less. The majority of the hunting areas (in MY area) make 200 yard shots, or longer REALLY rare and even less "needed".
NOT to step on any toes but the "need" to shoot any deer at truly LONG range is more of a personal challenge, a self awarded "blue ribbon" of the hunter's desires. It's ANOTHER paragraph in our own "deer hunting life story" and I am AS GUILTY AS ANYONE and yes I have ONE...SINGLE...area where I COULD get a LONG shot (350 ish)but I will have to SET UP FOR IT (after practicing and practicing and practicing) and also take a LOT of time glassing for deer, picking "that" shot......and most importantly? It will mean N O T H I N G to anyone....but me. A short note on the fact that this is a FREAK spot for me and I dang near didn't SEE IT because for decades my brain "wasn't geared for that".
Yep.......we are going to have "hunters" out there.....not ready, new, no clue what their round or gun will do let alone THEIR abilities. What WEAPON they have is moot from what I've seen in 45 years. I have (HONEST) seen a guy take a 150 yard shot at a RUNNING deer............WITH A BOW. (Not going to say much on that...arghhh)
While the thought of these same hunters going out blazing away with a Walmart CFR DOES give me pause, BUT... in all honesty?....I HAVE WATCHED ALL HUNTERS FOR DECADES (every since the herd became large and the number of hunters followed) for the simple fact that while those that honor the pages of this site ARE REAL HUNTERS and don't start slinging bullets at the sight of a deer (ANY deer).....there is a LOT...repeat LOT of them out there THAT DO.......and they have done so with shotguns for decades. Few even going to LOOK to see if they HIT the deer or not. They are out there, will be out there, and what they have in their hand does NOT make them "less or more dangerous"...at least IMHO.
They are simply their own (and our) worst enemy.
We do not "need" the rifles period. We didn't have them for decades and walked high and low enjoying the hunt as those before us did AND WE WOULD AGAIN if the CFR option was taken away....but danged if they are not NEAT to mess with and give me literally MONTHS of enjoyment putting one together.
In truth that may be a larger part of why I do so than actually hunting with one. Season is very, VERY short by comparison and being "deer specific" in my case, once built? 50 rounds a year shot would be A LOT (other than the initial year). Walking in and flipping out the check book for a wally world special would indeed be normal for lots but it holds little interest to me, personally.
The number of hunters in some areas, the declining habitat in others, the nasty diseases dropping off large numbers of "our" herd bother me SO MUCH MORE than what is and isn't legal that such doesn't even make this ol bird flinch.
God Bless!
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Post by goosepondmonster on Jan 16, 2014 13:17:05 GMT -5
I want to deer hunt with a bazooka.
Who is with me and will sign my petition?
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Post by firstwd on Jan 16, 2014 14:36:10 GMT -5
My irritation with the legal wildcats is a 400 yard(as advertised in the hunting regulation guide) .358 is legal, but my 100 yard 30/30 is not. Simply doesn't make sense.
This law is so messed up a C.O. won't even answer the question of what guns are legal.
I simply asked, like I did with other rules, to clarify things. Either make everything legal or make it straight wall only. Honestly, either one is fine with me.
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Post by Woody Williams on Jan 16, 2014 15:42:50 GMT -5
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Post by Woody Williams on Jan 16, 2014 15:44:42 GMT -5
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Post by swilk on Jan 16, 2014 16:09:32 GMT -5
My irritation with the legal wildcats is a 400 yard(as advertised in the hunting regulation guide) .358 is legal, but my 100 yard 30/30 is not. Simply doesn't make sense. This law is so messed up a C.O. won't even answer the question of what guns are legal. I simply asked, like I did with other rules, to clarify things. Either make everything legal or make it straight wall only. Honestly, either one is fine with me. The criteria for legal vs not legal is plain enough. I can understand the "why isn't my 30/30 legal when that wildcat is ....." argument but the rule itself is pretty black and white.
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Post by drs on Jan 17, 2014 5:43:55 GMT -5
Those making rules, regarding which cartridges are legal vs those which are illegal, simple lack the knowledge of ballistics.
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Post by swilk on Jan 17, 2014 7:06:58 GMT -5
I doubt that. They knew what they were doing and were fully aware of what was already being used when they revised and went to 1.8".
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Post by dbd870 on Jan 17, 2014 7:21:10 GMT -5
I doubt that. They knew what they were doing and were fully aware of what was already being used when they revised and went to 1.8". Agreed.
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Post by drs on Jan 17, 2014 8:22:32 GMT -5
I doubt that. They knew what they were doing and were fully aware of what was already being used when they revised and went to 1.8". If they did know, why all the silly rules?? IF those wildcat 1.8" cartridges produce the same ballistic & power as conventional cartridges; they why not permit commercial loads as being legal as well?? I heard or read in another forum that the reason they IDNR went to a 1.8" length was to allow the .460 S&W to be legal.
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Post by Woody Williams on Jan 17, 2014 8:27:12 GMT -5
My opinion is that they boiling a frog... A little at a time...
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Post by firstwd on Jan 17, 2014 8:40:36 GMT -5
My opinion is that they boiling a frog... A little at a time... I wish they would hurry up, I'm getting hungry. :-)
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Post by swilk on Jan 17, 2014 8:54:05 GMT -5
I doubt that. They knew what they were doing and were fully aware of what was already being used when they revised and went to 1.8". If they did know, why all the silly rules?? IF those wildcat 1.8" cartridges produce the same ballistic & power as conventional cartridges; they why not permit commercial loads as being legal as well?? I heard or read in another forum that the reason they IDNR went to a 1.8" length was to allow the .460 S&W to be legal. "All the silly rules"?? Not sure what you mean .... there are 3 criteria for being legal. 1.16" or longer. 1.8" or shorter. .357 diameter or longer. I really wish this post was longer so I could find more stuff to bold and underline .....
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Post by drs on Jan 17, 2014 9:01:13 GMT -5
My opinion is that they boiling a frog... A little at a time... Great observation, Woody.
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Post by drs on Jan 17, 2014 9:04:06 GMT -5
If they did know, why all the silly rules?? IF those wildcat 1.8" cartridges produce the same ballistic & power as conventional cartridges; they why not permit commercial loads as being legal as well?? I heard or read in another forum that the reason they IDNR went to a 1.8" length was to allow the .460 S&W to be legal. "All the silly rules"?? Not sure what you mean .... there are 3 criteria for being legal. 1.16" or longer. 1.8" or shorter. .357 diameter or longer. I really wish this post was longer so I could find more stuff to bold and underline ..... I know exactly what I mean. Note: I didn't underline or bold print anything in this post of mine. Why does it bother you so much, "swilk"??
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Post by swilk on Jan 17, 2014 9:08:28 GMT -5
"All the silly rules"?? Not sure what you mean .... there are 3 criteria for being legal. 1.16" or longer. 1.8" or shorter. .357 diameter or longer. I really wish this post was longer so I could find more stuff to bold and underline ..... I know exactly what I mean. Note: I didn't underline or bold print anything in this post of mine. Why does it bother you so much, "swilk"?? If you know exactly what you mean ... would you mind filling me in? If there are more than those 3 criteria I would be interested in knowing ..... The bold and underline thing do not "bother" me in the least .... on the contrary I find it very entertaining and plan on using the technique more myself. Even plan on throwing some italic in there ....
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