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Post by Carphunter on Dec 6, 2011 17:52:36 GMT -5
Again, I agree. I used the 8 to 1 analogy just to represent the main county that I hunt. That is my main point in the whole argument. I don't believe for a second that the OBR is having much effect at all on the age structure of the bucks in this state. There were an insignificant amount of "double-dippers" to begin with. As you state, even if they allow 2 bucks to be shot, were still at a 450 to 2 ratio! Here's what I would like to see them do. Probably gonna ruffle some feathers, but I don't really care. I think they should allow 1 buck with a bow and 1 buck with a gun, but with antler restrictions. If you can purchase a youth license, then you are allowed to shoot that half rack 3" spike buck. if you are too old to purchase a youth license, then you must abide by the antler restrictions, (whatever that may be). People always tell me that antler restrictions won't work because most people won't follow the law. Well, if thats the case, then why do we have any laws at all? The people that are going to break the law, are going to continue to break the law whether we have antler restrictions or not. MOST people I know follow the game laws. As for the antlerless harvest. I would like to see them allow 2 antlerless deer max. Doesn't matter which county you shoot the 2 antlerless deer, or which weapon you choose to use. If I kill 2 antlerless with a bow, then none with a gun, OR 1 with a bow and 1 with a gun, OR 2 with a gun. Regardless, you get 2 antlerless deer a year PERIOD. Just my 2 cents.
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Post by bowhunterjohn on Dec 6, 2011 18:54:23 GMT -5
Lets take a survey here, how many of you take more then 2 antlerless deer ?
I know I do, we eat a lot of deer meat, it helps equal out the money spent on hunting in trade for meat
I take 6-7 antlerless a year
This year I've taken 5 antlerless in two counties.
I don't think we need to limit antlerless to a total for state, just county limits need really looked at.
I personally will take X here in one county, then X from another and do it that way.
07 I took 8 antlerless divided amonst 4 counties
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Post by deweydutchmen on Dec 6, 2011 19:37:45 GMT -5
False statement.... You can now only kill 1 less buck then before not "half".You can still kill multiple Bucks though other channels if you really need 2 or more bucks per year!!!!! You sir need to realize that the vast majority of hunters will never have the other means or avenues to take more than one buck a year .So IMHO you can stop throwing that BS around just like the others who throw that crap around .You act as if most hunters have a choice in this matter that we have ways around it they are all either drawn hunts or Permission only in urban area hunts and that is very rare. sorry your cup is loosing water just like your argument is in this case. If you want to better manage your bucks then why don't you take a kid out with you and let them shoot your "cull bucks"? They would be a trophy to them.
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Post by billybobteeth on Dec 6, 2011 20:21:53 GMT -5
You sir need to realize that the vast majority of hunters will never have the other means or avenues to take more than one buck a year .So IMHO you can stop throwing that BS around just like the others who throw that crap around .You act as if most hunters have a choice in this matter that we have ways around it they are all either drawn hunts or Permission only in urban area hunts and that is very rare. sorry your cup is loosing water just like your argument is in this case. If you want to better manage your bucks then why don't you take a kid out with you and let them shoot your "cull bucks"? They would be a trophy to them. It don't work that way at all you could take someone out a few days to try to kill one of those mature or almost mature freaks, but them not show until the day after the hunt .Also these are still elusive bucks not dumb youg bucks they have made some hunting seasons . Besides I have two sons they are grown men now and hunt here as well. They are in the same issues I am take a buck that should be shot and take the bite ,or let them run .Second we do not allow anyone but family on our land to hunt or fish .Insurance and liability are to high to get the blame if something went wrong with someones , kid on a hunt I took them on.Unfortunately that's the state of the world we are in . Say someones JR falls and hurts himself or god forbid there would be a hunting accident then what .I for one will not take that chance not in a law suit happy society.
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Post by greghopper on Dec 6, 2011 21:11:53 GMT -5
Welcome back "deerman1","shouldernuke"&"shooterbuck"
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Post by mrfixit on Dec 7, 2011 6:32:40 GMT -5
Say someones JR falls and hurts himself or god forbid there would be a hunting accident then what .I for one will not take that chance not in a law suit happy society. Don't think that excuse flies anymore, I'm fairly certain they changed the liability law and you aren't responsible anymore. But then I could be wrong.
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Post by billybobteeth on Dec 7, 2011 7:06:42 GMT -5
Say someones JR falls and hurts himself or god forbid there would be a hunting accident then what .I for one will not take that chance not in a law suit happy society. Don't think that excuse flies anymore, I'm fairly certain they changed the liability law and you aren't responsible anymore. But then I could be wrong. Nope still liable for anyone you invite onto your land for anything .Lease agreements however can legally include liability clauses but then again I will not lease my land out either .
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Post by greghopper on Dec 7, 2011 8:10:59 GMT -5
Don't think that excuse flies anymore, I'm fairly certain they changed the liability law and you aren't responsible anymore. But then I could be wrong. Nope still liable for anyone you invite onto your land for anything .Lease agreements however can legally include liability clauses but then again I will not lease my land out either . False Statement....... New liability law, DNR program combine to help landowners experiencing deer damageA new landowner liability law combined with the DNR’s Hunters Helping Farmers program can help landowners experiencing deer damage to crops, forest regeneration or landscaping get deer populations under control on their property. The DNR has liberalized hunting regulations in most counties to address deer populations by strategically targeting antlerless deer, but effectiveness depends on landowner participation because 94 percent of the state is in private ownership. In the Hunters Helping Farmers program, each DNR district wildlife biologist maintains a county-by-county list of hunters who are looking for places to hunt and willing to harvest antlerless deer during the hunting seasons. Landowners having difficulty finding hunters for this purpose may contact the DNR district biologist in their area for a copy. Contact information for district biologists is at www.wildlife.IN.gov/2716.htm. The Indiana General Assembly took steps this year to protect landowners from liability associated with allowing sportsmen and sportswomen to recreate on their land. Indiana Code 34-31-9 was created to limit liability associated with agritourism related activities such as field days, self-pick farmers, corn mazes, animal exhibitions, and agricultural fairs, but also includes natural resource based activities such as hunting, fishing, hiking and trail riding. The law, which went into effect July 1, states that landowners who provide access to their land for natural resource based activities is not liable for the injury or death of a participant resulting from the inherent risks of such activities. Also, a participant or the participant’s representative cannot make claim, maintain an action against, or recover from the landowner any loss, damage, or death resulting from the inherent risk of the natural resource based activity.Inherent risks include conditions, dangers, or hazards that are an integral part of the activity, including surface and subsurface conditions and natural conditions of the land, vegetation and waters, the behavior of wild or domestic animals on the land, the ordinary dangers of structures or equipment on the land, and negligent acts of a participant that may contribute to the injury of that participant or others. However, the law does not prevent or limit the liability of a landowner who has knowledge of a dangerous condition that exists on the land and does not make the danger known to the participant, who commits and act or omission that constitutes willful or wanton disregard for the safety of the participant, or who intentionally injures the participant. The new law also protects landowners who charge a participant a fee for providing natural resources based activities, as long as they provide the participant with a specific warning notice specified by the law. The warning notice can be printed on a sign, posted and maintained in a clearly visible location at the main entrance to the property where the natural resources based activity is to occur, or included as part of a signed release or written contract between the landowner and the participant. The actual language of the new law can be found at www.in.gov/legislative/bills/2011/HE/HE1133.1.html
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Post by cambygsp on Dec 7, 2011 10:37:43 GMT -5
False statement.... You can now only kill 1 less buck then before not "half".You can still kill multiple Bucks though other channels if you really need 2 or more bucks per year!!!!! You sir need to realize that the vast majority of hunters will never have the other means or avenues to take more than one buck a year .So IMHO you can stop throwing that BS around just like the others who throw that crap around .You act as if most hunters have a choice in this matter that we have ways around it they are all either drawn hunts or Permission only in urban area hunts and that is very rare. sorry your cup is loosing water just like your argument is in this case. This mentality of useing special hunts for the opportunity of additional trophy bucks has actually caught on. The bad part is the DNR reconizes this and now they are pleading with all drawn hunters to kill any deer that walks by them. Special hunts are for reduction purposes only and should NOT be used for additional trophy opportunity. I would say if this trend continues they will make the draw hunts antlerless only
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Post by boonechaser on Dec 7, 2011 15:53:33 GMT -5
Agree our system is broke so we should adopt ILLINOIS limit's and season's. (I know i'm dreaming again.) LOL
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Post by billybobteeth on Dec 7, 2011 17:11:38 GMT -5
Nope still liable for anyone you invite onto your land for anything .Lease agreements however can legally include liability clauses but then again I will not lease my land out either . False Statement....... New liability law, DNR program combine to help landowners experiencing deer damageA new landowner liability law combined with the DNR’s Hunters Helping Farmers program can help landowners experiencing deer damage to crops, forest regeneration or landscaping get deer populations under control on their property. The DNR has liberalized hunting regulations in most counties to address deer populations by strategically targeting antlerless deer, but effectiveness depends on landowner participation because 94 percent of the state is in private ownership. In the Hunters Helping Farmers program, each DNR district wildlife biologist maintains a county-by-county list of hunters who are looking for places to hunt and willing to harvest antlerless deer during the hunting seasons. Landowners having difficulty finding hunters for this purpose may contact the DNR district biologist in their area for a copy. Contact information for district biologists is at www.wildlife.IN.gov/2716.htm. The Indiana General Assembly took steps this year to protect landowners from liability associated with allowing sportsmen and sportswomen to recreate on their land. Indiana Code 34-31-9 was created to limit liability associated with agritourism related activities such as field days, self-pick farmers, corn mazes, animal exhibitions, and agricultural fairs, but also includes natural resource based activities such as hunting, fishing, hiking and trail riding. The law, which went into effect July 1, states that landowners who provide access to their land for natural resource based activities is not liable for the injury or death of a participant resulting from the inherent risks of such activities. Also, a participant or the participant’s representative cannot make claim, maintain an action against, or recover from the landowner any loss, damage, or death resulting from the inherent risk of the natural resource based activity.Inherent risks include conditions, dangers, or hazards that are an integral part of the activity, including surface and subsurface conditions and natural conditions of the land, vegetation and waters, the behavior of wild or domestic animals on the land, the ordinary dangers of structures or equipment on the land, and negligent acts of a participant that may contribute to the injury of that participant or others. However, the law does not prevent or limit the liability of a landowner who has knowledge of a dangerous condition that exists on the land and does not make the danger known to the participant, who commits and act or omission that constitutes willful or wanton disregard for the safety of the participant, or who intentionally injures the participant. The new law also protects landowners who charge a participant a fee for providing natural resources based activities, as long as they provide the participant with a specific warning notice specified by the law. The warning notice can be printed on a sign, posted and maintained in a clearly visible location at the main entrance to the property where the natural resources based activity is to occur, or included as part of a signed release or written contract between the landowner and the participant. The actual language of the new law can be found at www.in.gov/legislative/bills/2011/HE/HE1133.1.htmlCall my lawyer and insurance agent with your posted BS because I will do exactly as they have asked me as a land owner to do including posting my property clearly as they both advised . Your post don't hold water with me at all .I am not part of the farmers /hunters program nor will I be . You loose again. Read your own pos we are still liable if we dont tell them about dangerous things on our land .. So hay there hunter man that tree had a deadmans hang in it and might fall on your head and kill you "or "Hay there are giant hawthorns down dont walk on em or fall on the spike" .You need to read further and deeper on your posts because it said we are still liable ,you just like calling folks liers or trying to prove how bright you are because you can google!
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Post by swilk on Dec 7, 2011 17:43:23 GMT -5
Welcome back "deerman1","shouldernuke"&"shooterbuck" Don't know about the welcome part.....
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Post by billybobteeth on Dec 7, 2011 17:48:01 GMT -5
Shooterbuck was my sons name here from the shop computer on our account and used his alias on the radio show debates .He is a Marine taking care of our issues at this time . Dont like his opinions he left for you tuff crap he earned his opinions here and else where .Also I came back for the upccomming OBR battle royal and that is what I told Woody and will fade away when the OBR fiasco is over .I promised to be good and I will but I really dont care if anyone here likes me But I prommis my input directly to Chad and a few others did not hurt the issue of shooting down of Rule 1 for rule 2 and its far better than rule pac 1. argue with this guy if you have the guts he wont argue long lol Attachments:
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Post by hunter7x on Dec 7, 2011 17:52:46 GMT -5
everyone has the guts on line tell Chis thanks for his service from hunter7x
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Post by billybobteeth on Dec 7, 2011 18:02:42 GMT -5
everyone has the guts on line tell Chis thanks for his service from hunter7x Thank you I certainly will I hope to see him before he and the 266 R.E.I.N Leave for the sand again .Bin laden found out first hand how his units fight they are the Ospreys and Black hawks that are special ops reinforced . He is a crewman/Avionics op on a osprey 6"4' looks funny standing hunched over in one of those birds lol .I really didn't think they meant every Marine is a rifleman at first as we all are traditionally all Air force and army in my family . But they all have a issued weapon and when they deploy they go with the rifle they were issued even pilots . Chris carries a CAR with m4 under it .Nice weapon with an acog scope on it. He Qualified as a range coach just this past fall. I am very proud of him as I am all of the soldiers at this time since they are all volunteers .To Join at the time of war takes more guts than anyone knows .
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Post by hunter7x on Dec 7, 2011 18:16:03 GMT -5
"I am very proud of him as I am all of the soldiers at this time since they are all volunteers .To Join at the time of war takes more guts than anyone knows ."
as we all should be proud.
To him and is unit, kick assss and don't bother taking names.
now that some of the harshness of this thread has been diverted... play nice boys and girls we're all hunters. geeze
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Post by greghopper on Dec 7, 2011 18:26:23 GMT -5
Welcome back "deerman1","shouldernuke"&"shooterbuck" Don't know about the welcome part..... True that..... But it's GOOD intertamement with stuff he makes up
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Post by greghopper on Dec 7, 2011 18:48:30 GMT -5
False Statement again....... You need not be in any program for this to apply!!! "The Indiana General Assembly took steps this year to protect landowners from liability associated with allowing sportsmen and sportswomen to recreate on their land. Indiana Code 34-31-9 was created to limit liability associated with agritourism related activities such as field days, self-pick farmers, corn mazes, animal exhibitions, and agricultural fairs, but also includes natural resource based activities such as hunting, fishing, hiking and trail riding." False Statement....... New liability law, DNR program combine to help landowners experiencing deer damageA new landowner liability law combined with the DNR’s Hunters Helping Farmers program can help landowners experiencing deer damage to crops, forest regeneration or landscaping get deer populations under control on their property. The DNR has liberalized hunting regulations in most counties to address deer populations by strategically targeting antlerless deer, but effectiveness depends on landowner participation because 94 percent of the state is in private ownership. In the Hunters Helping Farmers program, each DNR district wildlife biologist maintains a county-by-county list of hunters who are looking for places to hunt and willing to harvest antlerless deer during the hunting seasons. Landowners having difficulty finding hunters for this purpose may contact the DNR district biologist in their area for a copy. Contact information for district biologists is at www.wildlife.IN.gov/2716.htm. The Indiana General Assembly took steps this year to protect landowners from liability associated with allowing sportsmen and sportswomen to recreate on their land. Indiana Code 34-31-9 was created to limit liability associated with agritourism related activities such as field days, self-pick farmers, corn mazes, animal exhibitions, and agricultural fairs, but also includes natural resource based activities such as hunting, fishing, hiking and trail riding. The law, which went into effect July 1, states that landowners who provide access to their land for natural resource based activities is not liable for the injury or death of a participant resulting from the inherent risks of such activities. Also, a participant or the participant’s representative cannot make claim, maintain an action against, or recover from the landowner any loss, damage, or death resulting from the inherent risk of the natural resource based activity.Inherent risks include conditions, dangers, or hazards that are an integral part of the activity, including surface and subsurface conditions and natural conditions of the land, vegetation and waters, the behavior of wild or domestic animals on the land, the ordinary dangers of structures or equipment on the land, and negligent acts of a participant that may contribute to the injury of that participant or others. However, the law does not prevent or limit the liability of a landowner who has knowledge of a dangerous condition that exists on the land and does not make the danger known to the participant, who commits and act or omission that constitutes willful or wanton disregard for the safety of the participant, or who intentionally injures the participant. The new law also protects landowners who charge a participant a fee for providing natural resources based activities, as long as they provide the participant with a specific warning notice specified by the law. The warning notice can be printed on a sign, posted and maintained in a clearly visible location at the main entrance to the property where the natural resources based activity is to occur, or included as part of a signed release or written contract between the landowner and the participant. The actual language of the new law can be found at www.in.gov/legislative/bills/2011/HE/HE1133.1.htmlCall my lawyer and insurance agent with your posted BS because I will do exactly as they have asked me as a land owner to do including posting my property clearly as they both advised . Your post don't hold water with me at all .I am not part of the farmers /hunters program nor will I be . You loose again. Read your own pos we are still liable if we dont tell them about dangerous things on our land .. So hay there hunter man that tree had a deadmans hang in it and might fall on your head and kill you "or "Hay there are giant hawthorns down dont walk on em or fall on the spike" .You need to read further and deeper on your posts because it said we are still liable ,you just like calling folks liers or trying to prove how bright you are because you can google!
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Post by billybobteeth on Dec 7, 2011 19:00:38 GMT -5
"I am very proud of him as I am all of the soldiers at this time since they are all volunteers .To Join at the time of war takes more guts than anyone knows ." as we all should be proud. To him and is unit, kick assss and don't bother taking names. now that some of the harshness of this thread has been diverted... play nice boys and girls we're all hunters. geeze Yip will do and thanks also I will not be quiting and popping back on as any other name my computer whizzes that helped me take down and set up these site accounts are gone now both of them and I just don't care really we all have opinions .I made the mistake the first time leaving because I felt attacked .We no more .I know we no mater what will ever all agree and some of would not ever be friends or for that mater speak if we met we are that diametrical opposites I dislike elitists and snobby googling Internet know it alls with jelly for a spine in real life. lol So I will stick it out and when things start winding down over the next rules pac OBR is mostly over I will slide out but not quit and go about life again.
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Post by Woody Williams on Dec 7, 2011 19:13:29 GMT -5
The law, which went into effect July 1, states that landowners who provide access to their land for natural resource based activities is not liable for the injury or death of a participant resulting from the inherent risks of such activities. Also, a participant or the participant’s representative cannot make claim, maintain an action against, or recover from the landowner any loss, damage, or death resulting from the inherent risk of the natural resource based activity.
Key words are "inherent risk". I guarantee you that a lawyer would have field day picking apart the "inherent risk" part of this law..
This does not relieve a landowner from ALL risks.
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