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Post by huxbux on Mar 7, 2008 16:05:58 GMT -5
I've only been deer hunting 15 years (I didn't start until my early 20's as I didn't have anyone to take me), so I don't remember the old days of less deer. I do hunt some areas with few deer where I go for days without seeing one, because these low pressure areas are where the giants are that OBR is producing. I would like to see some of the high pressure areas be able to produce a more balanced age structure with more bucks that make it to maturity. Otherwise, it seems there are "honey holes" right now that are low pressure areas with fewer deer,and buddy, good luck getting in on em and keeping them, because they are getting found out. Shortening the firearms and moving it later would change this situation and produce more good areas for older age class bucks. JMO Hunting pressure or the lack therof, has nothing to do with producing larger bucks.
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Post by bschwein on Mar 7, 2008 16:23:12 GMT -5
.... I don't know how many times I heard, Give me a buck tag, If I see a doe, I'll shoot it and worry about it later. .... I wonder if it is ever done the other way? You know, buy an antlerless tag that is good for any season and just deal with a nice buck if it appears. I'm sure it has. Either way, the states losing money because of a bad license structure.
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Post by hunter480 on Mar 7, 2008 16:56:25 GMT -5
I wonder if it is ever done the other way? You know, buy an antlerless tag that is good for any season and just deal with a nice buck if it appears. I'm sure it has. Either way, the states losing money because of a bad license structure. Nope-not because of a bad license structure at all, but rather just people who decided to become poachers, and use the license as their excuse.
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Post by bschwein on Mar 7, 2008 18:22:29 GMT -5
I'm sure it has. Either way, the states losing money because of a bad license structure. Nope-not because of a bad license structure at all, but rather just people who decided to become poachers, and use the license as their excuse. I strongly disagree with you..I think after about 6 years at a sporting good shop selling license, I can back up my statement. I spoke to many of people in person about this.
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Post by mrfixit on Mar 7, 2008 18:27:50 GMT -5
Nope-not because of a bad license structure at all, but rather just people who decided to become poachers, and use the license as their excuse. That's not necessarily true. I was a young man once with a family, working two jobs and going to school and the whole while barely making ends meet. Thankfully it was at a time when deer tags was a lot cheaper than they are now. I can remember a stretch of several years where it was one deer and done for the season because I couldn't afford another tag. So to lump everyone as "poachers" because they can't afford the current licensing structure is really a pretty elitist attitude to say the least. If you can afford all the tags you want or think you need throughout the season you are indeed very fortunate.
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Post by freedomhunter on Mar 7, 2008 18:47:14 GMT -5
I guess my point was prolonged gun hunting pressure (in high pressure areas), especially around the tail end of the rut when bucks are actually having to search more, is getting more bucks dead before they get mature. It isn't any new news. I respect the consensus here and understand the opinion on hunter opportunity.
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Post by huxbux on Mar 7, 2008 20:48:07 GMT -5
I guess my point was prolonged gun hunting pressure (in high pressure areas), especially around the tail end of the rut when bucks are actually having to search more, is getting more bucks dead before they get mature. It isn't any new news. I respect the consensus here and understand the opinion on hunter opportunity. That's a statement I'll agree with and I respect your opinion also freedomhunter. I think the point being made here is that we desire to be permitted to make our own choices as we see fit. I think it's a good idea to wear a seatbelt, but I don't believe in a law forcing me to wear it because someone else thinks I "need" to. Some will not be happy with their deer season unless they have an opportunity to shoot a "booner". I have no problem with that, as long as they don't try and limit my hunting time, or choice of the deer I wish to shoot to achieve that end. Just so you know- I try not to shoot any buck less than 3 1/2 yrs. old, although I have and make no apologies for it .
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Post by hunter480 on Mar 8, 2008 9:29:51 GMT -5
Nope-not because of a bad license structure at all, but rather just people who decided to become poachers, and use the license as their excuse. That's not necessarily true. I was a young man once with a family, working two jobs and going to school and the whole while barely making ends meet. Thankfully it was at a time when deer tags was a lot cheaper than they are now. I can remember a stretch of several years where it was one deer and done for the season because I couldn't afford another tag. So to lump everyone as "poachers" because they can't afford the current licensing structure is really a pretty elitist attitude to say the least. If you can afford all the tags you want or think you need throughout the season you are indeed very fortunate. Rationalize all you like, but it`s pretty simple. Kill as many deer as you have tags for, then quit. If you kill more deer than you are legal to do so, then you are a poacher, period. Nothing elitist about it.
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Post by bschwein on Mar 8, 2008 11:19:24 GMT -5
That's not necessarily true. I was a young man once with a family, working two jobs and going to school and the whole while barely making ends meet. Thankfully it was at a time when deer tags was a lot cheaper than they are now. I can remember a stretch of several years where it was one deer and done for the season because I couldn't afford another tag. So to lump everyone as "poachers" because they can't afford the current licensing structure is really a pretty elitist attitude to say the least. If you can afford all the tags you want or think you need throughout the season you are indeed very fortunate. Rationalize all you like, but it`s pretty simple. Kill as many deer as you have tags for, then quit. If you kill more deer than you are legal to do so, then you are a poacher, period. Nothing elitist about it. I never said it was legal. Never said I agreed. I said why people aren't buying tags or as many tags now. Its the license structure. Its the people who feel like the state is taking way to much money from them every year. Not people just deciding to become poachers because there looking for a new hobby!
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Post by indianahick on Mar 8, 2008 12:14:25 GMT -5
Stating that they will shoot a doe and worry about getting tags later is poaching. If that person was speaking to you you should have told them so. Me personally I went many years with keeping and selling my aluminum coke cans ( I do not drink alcohol) to buy my tags. There is no shame in doing so.
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Post by bschwein on Mar 8, 2008 21:50:57 GMT -5
I didn't have to tell them anything. They were aware of what that means.
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Post by lugnutz on Mar 9, 2008 2:39:28 GMT -5
a poacher is a poacher, regardless of what tags costs. I agree if a person poaches, its not cause of the price of the tags, they use that as an excuse, a way to make them feel its legit. And if you actually believe a poacher, i've got some ocean front property here in Posey Co. for ya, cheap too!
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Post by bschwein on Mar 9, 2008 7:59:46 GMT -5
a poacher is a poacher, regardless of what tags costs. I agree if a person poaches, its not cause of the price of the tags, they use that as an excuse, a way to make them feel its legit. And if you actually believe a poacher, i've got some ocean front property here in Posey Co. for ya, cheap too! Yep sounds like you know it all. Did I saw it was right? No. Reread a few post back as I've already replied to a similiar question on this.
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