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Post by swilk on Dec 6, 2006 14:48:43 GMT -5
Actually I dont think there is anything subjective about "quality". It means a healthy, sexually balanced and number controlled herd.
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Post by Old Ironsights on Dec 6, 2006 14:50:43 GMT -5
Ahh, but some people see "quality" as a subset of B&C or P&Y... it is therfore subjective.
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Post by swilk on Dec 6, 2006 14:52:20 GMT -5
Heck, I would be all for killing as many bucks as you cared to kill ..... as long as you killed 2 does for every buck.
The OBR's post are useless. I dont think anyone can get their opinions voiced without misinterpretation or confusion.
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Post by swilk on Dec 6, 2006 14:55:29 GMT -5
Ahh, but some people see "quality" as a subset of B&C or P&Y... it is therfore subjective. uumm ... OK. For the sake of simplicity my question defines "quality" as healthy, balanced sexually and population regulated as to not exceed the holding capacity of environment. quality has absolutely nothing to do with antlers. If we ended up with a balanced, healthy herd of 4 pointers then so be it.
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Post by Decatur on Dec 6, 2006 15:23:56 GMT -5
Ok. So there is one vote against doing what is best for the quality and health of Indiana's deer herd. Anymore? Nice mis-quote! Not what he means and you know it. I agree with deertracks. We need less restrictions if hunting is going to survive. I know if I was thinking about taking up deer hunting, I'd be a little leary after reading on this and other forums. Why can't it just be "to each his own" deer hunting like it used to be? What's wrong with shooting a normal, un "messed with" Indiana buck? I said it before on here, people that try to manipulate deer antler size through restrictions, QDM, food plots etc, are cheapening the killing of a nice buck. If every body is killing them, then what makes them "special"? Every deer is special to me. Even the 70# doe I took this year. Antler worship is fine if that's what makes you feel the urge to hunt, but it's not everybodies goal. Big antlers are cool, and I of course want some, but I'm willing to wait on God and Mother Nature to allow me to get some. If that never happens, big deal! There have always been, and will always be big bucks. Why not hunt harder/smarter if that's your thing? Why should the rest of us have to play by YOUR rules?
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Post by birddog on Dec 6, 2006 15:28:11 GMT -5
Question for everyone apposed to the OBR ...... what would you suggest? I SUGGEST........... You know the OBR stuff is made up just for hunters that don't want to do their home work when it comes to taking a buck or more than one buck each season.It's the same old crap each year,I didn't kill a buck, some body help me,change the laws to put them on my side..Let's get real,deer hunting is supposed to be a sport but some of you guys want it changed so that it fits you because you don't or won't do the home work necessary to kill more than one buck each year...get off your lazy butts and be like the rest of the hunters...get out and do your home work,find good land to start with,then work at it..period...it takes some work to take a nice sized buck each year especially harder if you take more than one,I like others on here can do it and there is no reason you can't either...or is there? ?
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Post by Ahawkeye on Dec 6, 2006 15:29:16 GMT -5
Please! Burry that horse so we'll all quit beating it!
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Post by swilk on Dec 6, 2006 15:41:35 GMT -5
ok. my fun is over.
They arent MY rules. I just asked if people would support a true QDM mamagement system.
It is a simple yes or no question. And I honestly dont care what your answer is.
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Post by birddog on Dec 6, 2006 15:48:54 GMT -5
ANSWER..........................NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by swilk on Dec 6, 2006 15:50:45 GMT -5
Question for everyone apposed to the OBR ...... what would you suggest? I SUGGEST........... You know the OBR stuff is made up just for hunters that don't want to do their home work when it comes to taking a buck or more than one buck each season.It's the same old crap each year,I didn't kill a buck, some body help me,change the laws to put them on my side..Let's get real,deer hunting is supposed to be a sport but some of you guys want it changed so that it fits you because you don't or won't do the home work necessary to kill more than one buck each year...get off your lazy butts and be like the rest of the hunters...get out and do your home work,find good land to start with,then work at it..period...it takes some work to take a nice sized buck each year especially harder if you take more than one,I like others on here can do it and there is no reason you can't either...or is there? ? No I didnt know that is why the OBR is made up. Thanks for telling me. Care to let me in on anything else?
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Post by swilk on Dec 6, 2006 15:51:40 GMT -5
birddog ... no reason to shout.
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Post by Woody Williams on Dec 6, 2006 16:08:38 GMT -5
birddog ... no reason to shout. Yep.. Please guys. We are starting to get carried away again. Let's leave the "shouting" and any references to one side or the other being "greedy" or "lazy" or whatever out of it. Debate facts and opinions, but leave any stabs at the others out of it. Thanks, WW
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Post by swilk on Dec 6, 2006 16:14:09 GMT -5
Is there any reason to talk about it anymore? Politics and religion ........
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Post by birddog on Dec 6, 2006 16:18:23 GMT -5
answer..........no!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Woody, I didn't know that putting a word into large letters meant that you were yelling..Sorry!!!!!!! as I was only trying to get a point across...........
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Post by swilk on Dec 6, 2006 16:21:08 GMT -5
birddog ....... you also implied anyone who supported the OBR was lazy and an incompetent hunter.
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Post by birddog on Dec 6, 2006 16:45:44 GMT -5
swilk....Let it go!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by swilk on Dec 6, 2006 16:46:43 GMT -5
Why would you say that?
Gosh birddog, I just pointed out that you had rudely implied that everyone that supported the OBR was lazy and incompetent.
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Post by swilk on Dec 6, 2006 16:49:34 GMT -5
Oh yeah, I thought you said yesterday you weren't going to respond to these OBR threads anymore ....... what changed your mind?
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Post by ridgerunner on Dec 6, 2006 18:44:11 GMT -5
Yes, I'd support QDM ,and I do practice it on my property, and have for several years.
BTW Birddog I support OBR and I've killed big bucks consistenly for 15 years, all but two, with a bow. Anybody can go out in the woods and shoot a buck if they put in their time. I could of shot three 120-130 class bucks in bow season, but I didn't becuase they were only 2 1/2 year old deer. I don't want to hear this, how hard it is, and good of hunter you are, anybody can kill a buck. I could set a treestand up on a telephone pole in the median of 465 and if I hunt long enough and hard enough I could shoot a buck.... But if were talking Big Bucks thats a different story..
It doesn't take a rocket scientist to kill a 1 1/2 year old deer, anybody can do it...Not much homework involved and thats my point, OBR makes a hunter think " man I can only shoot one deer a year, I really don't want to waste a tag on this small buck", unless your hunting for meat only, but I'd venture to say all us here can afford to go to the grocery store and buy meat, I mean, if you can afford a computer and internet service surely you can afford to buy a couple pounds of hamburger.. I do eat the meat, but I mainly enjoy hunting and by harvesting deer, I'm managing the deer herd to control the populations for the State. In doing so I also have kids who hunt and know many other young hunters and I want them to continue to have the same hunting opportunities I've enjoyed, so their kids too can hunt someday. I remember a time in the 1970's when you'd be lucky to see a deer all season while hunting with my father.Many of the older guys can attest to that also..It cannot hurt to force hunters to be more selective in hunting deer..
It's almost like saying I have $100.00 in the bank and it's drawing interest, if I take one dollar a week out of my account is my money gonna run out sooner than if I take two dollars a week out????Common sense Logic to me.....
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Post by swilk on Dec 6, 2006 19:14:59 GMT -5
Agreed.
I passed up 1 130 class buck because he was only 2.5 years old. I passed up numerous smaller bucks from spikes to 120 class 8's and 10's.
OBR doesnt bother me in the least. Deerhunting to me isnt about killing a deer. It is about hunting for a specific buck and killing a few does for meat and management.
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