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Post by raporter on Jan 9, 2008 10:34:44 GMT -5
During any of the "Meetings" did anyone see any antis? I sure didn't.
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Post by Woody Williams on Jan 9, 2008 10:51:47 GMT -5
During any of the "Meetings" did anyone see any antis? I sure didn't. You, Kevin and I sat in the same meeting and there were no ARFs at that meeting. A couple ladies said they were from the LOCAL Humane Society, which has absolutely nothing to do with the HSUS. The one lady from the LOCAL Humane Society said that she approved of deer hunting as her husband is a deer hunter. She also stated that she was against "hunting" deer behind a fence. She was certainly no ARF. Now, to be quite honest - In reading the email input on this subject at that time there was no doubt that a LOT of the emails were from ARFs and ARF organizations. Over the years I have debated ARFs mainly on talk.politics.animals news group and I can spot an ARF's writing a mile away. Even during the OBR debate/input there was a good number of ARF input. Of course they were in favor of an OBR. If they had it their way there would be a ZBR - Zero Buck Rule. Hopefully the IDNR sees through these ARF inputs. |
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Post by cambygsp on Jan 10, 2008 5:47:14 GMT -5
If they had done that they wouldn't have been able to get the slam dunk conviction on Bellar that they did and he'd still be operating. Like it or not Camby, that's the way the legal system works, you give a few small fish a slap on the fin to get the whale you really want. Slamming the whale makes it that much easier to get the rest of them. When those customers came to this state they were assured by the deer procurers that what they were doing was legal, and they had no reason to believe otherwise since it actually would be in some states. That doesn't exonerate them, but it did set the stage to get them to testify, and that's what drives the nails into the coffin. I don't get it Kevin....... So what your saying is, if you told me that I could come to your house, hunt a deer that is under your feeder, and I don't need a license, all I have to do is give you $20.00......then I am OK, your the one thats illegal?.....It's NOT my responsibility to check and make sure I am not breaking any state laws? AND......how many more (other than Bellar) got prosecuted? ""Slamming the whale makes it that much easier to get the rest of them."" My personal opinion is that Bellar was not any more guilty than his customers, the state had evidence to prosecute all of them, yet they refused. |
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Post by kevin1 on Jan 10, 2008 6:40:53 GMT -5
 You've been beating that horse for several years now Camby, you'll never get all of the fish so you take the one that bites and cut it for bait, that's how the big fish get caught. Like the so called "War on Drugs" has repeatedly taught us, you can't stop dope by busting the small time user, there's always a new user around the corner, you have to cut off the supply of it. Cut off the head and the snake will surely die. There will always be those willing to break the law, and those dumb enough not to check the laws before proceeding, and I never said they weren't guilty, just that they were instrumental in nailing Bellar. For every little fish that "got away" there are a thousand more that will never fatten the pockets of the big fish who didn't get away. Rejoice in the triumph and quit freakin' nit picking. |
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Post by dadfsr on Jan 10, 2008 8:54:45 GMT -5
Kevin1-I don't think it nitpickin'! There are just some people that don't don't see gray and clearly divide between right and wrong. I for one could never be a defense or prosecuting attorney because of the "deals" that are made with the devil to catch some of the big fish.
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Post by jackc99 on Jan 10, 2008 15:24:50 GMT -5
I guess my issue with Camby always blaming the state is that Bellar was convicted by a federal court not a state court. DNR gathered the evidence but they were not the prosecuting entity. That's why Bellar went to a federal pen....uh, pun intended.
FYI - the next round of this saga continues next week in southern Indiana when the judge rules on whether the state should honor the 10 year agreement with Rodney. I'll be in Indianapolis that day testifying at a House committee meeting so I sure hope someone can attend the festivities at Rodney's trial and keep us appraised.
Jack
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