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Post by dbd870 on Sept 22, 2006 12:16:20 GMT -5
That question has already been addressed. If you don't want to accept the answer that's your prerogative; your rebuttal won't hold water. It is the same argument against people having CCW permits...how you won't be able to defend yourself etc. and it has been totally proven false. As far as hunters running into meth labs and the dangers involved I've seen more than one state put out warnings on this very subject.
I've not heard any logical reason to oppose this. It keeps coming back to some person might shoot a deer with it (we hunter's are all a scurrilous lot after all). I think that has been covered already.
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Post by dbd870 on Sept 22, 2006 12:18:45 GMT -5
Somehow the state and local police agencies have managed just fine all these years.
Well then I guess we should just give up and let them kill us instead of resisting. There are a myriad of possible situations; to assume you will never have a chance at success is foolish as is assuming a handgun makes one invincible. Again this is the kind of thing the anti-gun crowd has tried to sell in the past.
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Post by hunter480 on Sept 22, 2006 12:46:14 GMT -5
What does hunting have to do with it, this is about protection.Protection...Against what ....the boogie man!!!!!!! I still say that carrying of a handgun while bowhunting shouldn't be allowed..I've had a personnel protection permit for years and I have never once taken a handgun bow hunting...Now there's a few places I wouldn't go with out one but BOWHUNTING!!!!!! BUT-WE now have the option, (right), to carry while bowhunting. It`s fine if you don`t, or won`t, but just don`t worry about those of us who do.
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Post by hunter480 on Sept 22, 2006 12:52:14 GMT -5
My problem with this is the manner in which it came about. Due process is the American way. Yes, I have been in a few situations where I wished I had my handgun while bow hunting. I didn't have it, so my choices were different to keep me safe. As for the C.O.'s, currently no handgun can be concealed and the C.O. can see it prior to contact. I feel this will put them on a little more edge and make the whole situation more jumpy. As for protection against meth heads? I don't know where you guys are from, but I'm in the #2 and #3 counties in the State for the stuff. If you find them, you ARE already outgunned and have been seen long before you see them. Even the pot heads will out gun you. Everyone I've ever come across has been carrying at least a 30/06. On the Gas station hold up. Why get involved? On the rare occasions that a hold up gets violent, I still carry mine in public just not to the woods. As for the waterfowl questions. Go ahead and carry it. The Federal Law says you cannot POSSESS any thing other than non-toxic. Federal Law supersedes any State Law. And NO they are still not legal on the Refuges. I disagree that your main issue with this is how it came about-you obviously have a deep problem with the idea. Admittedly, change is difficult for everyone, but this is POSITIVE change, and you STILL find fault. Geesh. If you don`t want to carry while bowhunting-good for you-you`re a traditionalist. Many of us WILL choose to exercise our newfound RIGHT to carry and you shouldn`t have a problem with that. It`s unbelievable that the Governor has been so proactive with common-sense rights given back to law-abiding citizens-The Castle Doctrine law, now being able to carry while bowhunting, and supposed gun rights folks can find fault. I guess all I can say is you certainly can never satisfy everyone, and in this case, you can`t satisfy some of the very people who claim they`re on our side.
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Post by dbd870 on Sept 22, 2006 13:07:54 GMT -5
I agree with you hunter480; I believe the issues raised are not their main problems with it.
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Post by cambygsp on Sept 22, 2006 13:28:44 GMT -5
Just one question.....
Why does it have to be a handgun?
Why can't I take my 12 guage or my .22 rifle, you know....for personal protection while archery hunting?
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Post by hunter480 on Sept 22, 2006 13:30:21 GMT -5
Note I just e-mailed to the Governor`s office:
Governor Daniels,
I would simply like to applaud you, and thank you from the bottom of my heart, for your being the friend to gun owners you have been.
I was very grateful, and pleased when you signed the Castle Doctrine law into effect in Indiana, and even had a ceremonial signing of the bill to demonstrate how much importance you placed on the bill. Now, upon hearing the great news, that effective immediately, we`ll be able to carry a handgun for protection while bow hunting, well, I just cannot express how much this means, not only as a common sense measure, but as it obviously reflects your understanding of the law-abiding citizens right to self-defense.
Thank you for being a friend of law-abiding gun owners in the state.
Gregory A. Russell Sr.
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Post by hunter480 on Sept 22, 2006 13:31:54 GMT -5
Just one question..... Why does it have to be a handgun? Why can't I take my 12 guage or my .22 rifle, you know....for personal protection while archery hunting? Uh-could it be because your concealed carry permit is for a handgun? I`d suggust that you probably shouldn`t carry anything ever.
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Post by Decatur on Sept 22, 2006 13:32:40 GMT -5
Just one question..... Why does it have to be a handgun? Why can't I take my 12 guage or my .22 rifle, you know....for personal protection while archery hunting? Interesting question.
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Post by Woody Williams on Sept 22, 2006 13:44:20 GMT -5
My problem with this is the manner in which it came about. Due process is the American way. ........... My guess is that this is at least two fold.. 1) It immediately rectifies a long standing wrong law. 2) It ties in with the NRA pow-wow this afternoon. This is temporary (up to two years) and it still has to withstand the public and NRC muster to become permanent. My feeling is that if soemone doesm n't wnat to carry while in the woods that is strictly up to them. if one wants to then no one else shodul say that they should'nt. It is a very personal decision to carry a handgun, or even own a gun, for that matter. .
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Post by Woody Williams on Sept 22, 2006 13:46:25 GMT -5
Just one question..... Why does it have to be a handgun? Why can't I take my 12 guage or my .22 rifle, you know....for personal protection while archery hunting? Interesting question. Yes, it is.....My home protection gun is an 870 Remington. Nothing will put the more fear to a bad guy in the dark than an 870 being racked. .
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Post by birddog on Sept 22, 2006 14:04:00 GMT -5
I just cannot express how much this means, not only as a common sense measure, but as it obviously reflects your understanding of the law-abiding citizens right to self-defense.Now just how many people on here have ever had to use self defense when bow hunting..unless the buck you're after turns against you I say probably not a person..well then there could be the one? ??
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Post by firstwd on Sept 22, 2006 14:08:32 GMT -5
To even begin to suggest that Me or others not in complete agreement with this are anti-gun is completely simple minded. Gun owner since the age of 12 and an active Hunter Ed Instructor. Yes, my problem is with the means of the change.
On the LL issue. Hunting is a privilege, not a right. If you think this Emergency Rule action can't be used to suspend that privilege then you truly have your own little world. It would be overturned in the long run, but it can happen.
I, too, would like to hear some of the ICO's opinion put on here. Unfortunately, unfavorable opinions posted publicly can be detrimental to their career.
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Post by DEERTRACKS on Sept 22, 2006 14:11:55 GMT -5
Personnally I still do not see a reason to carry a concealed weapon while archery hunting........... Well -you PERSONALLY shouldn`t carry while bow hunting then. I`m with you Travis-how in the hell anyone can find fault with this is just amazing. For any and all who question this new RIGHT being handed back to us-DON`T use it. Pretty simple. Just don`t take issue with those of us who will gladly take it and use it. Well said. End of story!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by cambygsp on Sept 22, 2006 14:35:14 GMT -5
Why was it illegal to begin with?
Who said it (being armed while archery hunting) should be illegal?
I was always under the impression that this was a bowhunter moved regulation, they don't want folks with guns in the woods...while bowhunting or period!
I don't have a problem if a fella 'packs" while bowhunting, as long as they are not shooting ANY KIND OF WILDLIFE.
I have bowhunted for over 20 years and I have NEVER thought to myself, "gee I wish I would have brought my pistol"
I suppose for some, it could make them feel safer, If I see trouble I normally go the other way and THEN report it.
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Post by birddog on Sept 22, 2006 14:51:43 GMT -5
Agree with Cambygsp........Myself I've bowhunted (geez)43 years this year and it has never once entered my mind that ..man I need a handgun!!!!!!
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Post by jwkimber45 on Sept 22, 2006 14:58:19 GMT -5
I just cannot express how much this means, not only as a common sense measure, but as it obviously reflects your understanding of the law-abiding citizens right to self-defense.Now just how many people on here have ever had to use self defense when bow hunting..unless the buck you're after turns against you I say probably not a person..well then there could be the one? ?? Thats not the point............this ruling is giving us back our rights, plain and simple. If YOU don't see the need, fine, don't take a handgun with you, but don't on those of us who do choose to exercise our rights.
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Post by birddog on Sept 22, 2006 15:11:27 GMT -5
I don't think anyone here is "whizing" on anybody,it's just that some DO NOT see the reasoning for taking a handgun bow hunting..period!!
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Post by jwkimber45 on Sept 22, 2006 15:43:58 GMT -5
I don't think anyone here is "whizing" on anybody,it's just that some DO NOT see the reasoning for taking a handgun bow hunting..period!! Thats fine, but why begrudge and argue with those of us who do choose to exercise our rights? ?? Some folks don't see the need to drink cofee in the morning, so they don't.........but do they argue their point to the folks who do like a nice hot cup in the am? ? THIS IS A GOOD THING!!!!!!!!
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Post by birddog on Sept 22, 2006 15:48:13 GMT -5
THIS IS A GOOD THING!!!!!!!!
You tell me what's so good about taking a handgun bowhunting??One is you can't or your not suppose to use it on deer so why take one???
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